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King Pariah wrote:Brother Coa, for population control purposes, Species with longer longevity also tend to breed less. In a world with increasingly dwindling resources, it's become "necessary."
Also would like to say that HeLa cells (the key for biological immortality) is available in just about every country.

Just because HeLa cells are immortal doesn't mean we will be immortal. Unless you can replace cardiac tissue with cancerous womb tissue then it's only speculation. We might be bettter off looking at the processes involving telomeres.

Anyway it's all hypothetical as we don't know how the marine armor, training, tactics and weapons compare to our modern day stuff.

My guess is that the marines make us pay dearly in blood. A marine is like Rambo, crossbred with the terminator, with a .75cal machine gun, anti-tank bombs, his skull can probably stop small arms fire, his armor probably needs to be breached by a HEAT round.

I think the best option is something like a Javelin anti-bunker/tank missile.

Brother Coa wrote:

McNinja wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:That's still hardcore sci-fi - for now.
And I very much doubt everybody will have access to it when we have access to that level of technology.

not at all. You want lasers that heal people? Got'em. You have no clue how advanced the stuff we have today is.

In that case I want a spaceship with a warp drive and I want to start colonizing the stars. And a time machine to visit the ancient sites. What did you guys said? 2035? I am so in it...

Please stop saying that the SM are uber-powerful gods of destruction when they can be taken out by pretty much any weapon we have today.

Right.... tell that to the others who tough like that and finished up in a pile of ruble. Like we can defeat Imeprium in war? We, a small planet with pitiful 7 billion against an empire of million worlds...

I am not saying we couldn't kill one marine squad - that is easy give n our tech - but some people think tha we can beat the Imeprium full power to.


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King Pariah wrote:The biological immortality? we already have access to it, and it's getting cheaper, and more easy to access (2005 the treatment costed $20,000 a month, today, $2000). You can thank Mrs. Henrietta Lacks for that.

Maybe you in US and other rich countries, what is 95% of planet suppose to say...?

we aren't fighting an empire. We are fighting 10 space marines. Who land somewhere. Any snipers, and IFVs, anything is a RESPONSE to the space marines. You can't land in something that doesn't exist, because the sniper team hasn't been sent out yet! This thread is about 10 space marines landing in a DP somewhere on earth. Just ten. Not an army. Not a legion. Not the imperial navy. Not the imperial guard. Again, it doesn't matter if they have meltaguns, it doesn't matter if they have plasma cannons. You can't hit a plane moving at over 600 mph, you can't hit an invisible sniper team, especially if you have no reason to think the enemy would be searching for you.

Also, no one said anything about spaceships or warp drives. Considering that the Warp doesn't actually exist, that would be pointless, unless you meant star trek warp drives, in which case, we know how, but don't have the energy sources to do it. We know how to do pretty much anything sci-fi has presented, we just do not have the energy sources to make them reality. I don't know where you're getting time machine... The imperium doesn't have that capactiy, only a very, VERY small percentage of Necrons (who are the masters of the physical universe, by the way) can do that. Necrons are basically us in a few thousand years. And no, the IoM is not us in a few thousand years. Not with how our technology is progressing. Well, maybe they are, if everyone suddenly had a stroke and got brain damage.

Phototoxin, we got telomerase FROM HeLa and we already have made "immortal" non cancerous cells based on what we know from HeLa

McNinja wrote:
Maybe you in US and other rich countries, what is 95% of planet suppose to say...?

we aren't fighting an empire. We are fighting 10 space marines. Who land somewhere. Any snipers, and IFVs, anything is a RESPONSE to the space marines. You can't land in something that doesn't exist, because the sniper team hasn't been sent out yet! This thread is about 10 space marines landing in a DP somewhere on earth. Just ten. Not an army. Not a legion. Not the imperial navy. Not the imperial guard. Again, it doesn't matter if they have meltaguns, it doesn't matter if they have plasma cannons. You can't hit a plane moving at over 600 mph, you can't hit an invisible sniper team, especially if you have no reason to think the enemy would be searching for you.

I'll start stocking up on Poitin lads.

the easiest way would be to provide fast moving targets that still posed a threat - F16s or something.

Bolters will be extremely dangerous, so you need to waste their ammo. Each marines can't be holding much more than maybe 150 shots or so (even this seems high), so that's about 1500 rounds you need them to expend.

I'd rather fight them after that.

Brother Coa wrote:

McNinja wrote:we aren't fighting an empire. We are fighting 10 space marines. Who land somewhere. Any snipers, and IFVs, anything is a RESPONSE to the space marines. You can't land in something that doesn't exist, because the sniper team hasn't been sent out yet! This thread is about 10 space marines landing in a DP somewhere on earth. Just ten. Not an army. Not a legion. Not the imperial navy. Not the imperial guard. Again, it doesn't matter if they have meltaguns, it doesn't matter if they have plasma cannons. You can't hit a plane moving at over 600 mph, you can't hit an invisible sniper team, especially if you have no reason to think the enemy would be searching for you.

Why are you explaining the same thign I said 2 posts ago?

What? You keep going on about how we can't defeat an army of SM and how great they our and houw much of our stuff with get wreck if we try to fight them. You also said that the sniper team would be dead if a Drop Pod landed on them. If you had said any of this, I would have made that post. Or this one, for that matter.

Brother Coa wrote:

McNinja wrote:Considering that the Warp doesn't actually exist, that would be pointless.

Wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
We just don't know how to build them yet...

Seriously dude? Did you read my enitre post?

McNinja wrote: unless you meant star trek warp drives, in which case, we know how, but don't have the energy sources to do it. We know how to do pretty much anything sci-fi has presented, we just do not have the energy sources to make them reality.

I said this. Or did you mistake my post for yours?

Brother Coa wrote:

McNinja wrote:Necrons are basically us in a few thousand years.

Unless we run out of fossil fuel, our planet becomes to unstable to support life, asteroid hit us, supervulcano becomes active...
It is will be very interesting few thousand years if we survive until then.

Let's see... not going to happen, not going to happen, and... not going to happen. We still have a huge reserve of oil under Alaska, our planet is nowhere near close to becoming unsuitable for sustaining life, any asteroid that has Earth in its crosshairs can be intercepted and redirected. NASA's budget may be crap, but they have great tech and smart people.

Twiqbal wrote:the easiest way would be to provide fast moving targets that still posed a threat - F16s or something.

Bolters will be extremely dangerous, so you need to waste their ammo. Each marines can't be holding much more than maybe 150 shots or so (even this seems high), so that's about 1500 rounds you need them to expend.

I'd rather fight them after that.

Considering that soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan would usually carry around 7 magazines if they were not on a military base (M4 30 round magazines x 7 +1 in the rifle already = 240 rounds), I would count on Space Marines have far more than 150 rounds.

This isn't The Day the Earth Stood Still. They aren't invulnerable. Any decent large-caliber rifle (and keep in mind we do have anti-tank rifles, they were developed in WWII, though recently they have fallen out of use) would give the Space Marines a run for their money, and if their armor works even remotely like modern day Chobam tank armor (which it should, it's damn good armor), then all you need to do if crack the ceramite plating once. Would a single shot do it? Probably not, but just because Space Marines have a good armor save in a game doesn't not mean that it works the same way in real life.

Armor doesn't last forever. It won't shrug off everything you throw at it, and it will degrade much more quickly with the application of greater amounts of force.

Actually, in the fluff marines are described as being a lot harder to kill than in the game.
Still, I would imagine a HEAT round to the knee would be enough to hamper a marine's movement.

McNinja wrote:What? You keep going on about how we can't defeat an army of SM and how great they our and houw much of our stuff with get wreck if we try to fight them. You also said that the sniper team would be dead if a Drop Pod landed on them. If you had said any of this, I would have made that post. Or this one, for that matter.

An army, you were right about that - I said we can never beat a few Chapters or Legion but we can beat 10 men squad.
So why do you, again, repeat what I sad 2 posts earlier?

Brother Coa wrote:

McNinja wrote:Considering that the Warp doesn't actually exist, that would be pointless.

Wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
We just don't know how to build them yet...

Seriously dude? Did you read my enitre post?

McNinja wrote: unless you meant star trek warp drives, in which case, we know how, but don't have the energy sources to do it. We know how to do pretty much anything sci-fi has presented, we just do not have the energy sources to make them reality.

I said this. Or did you mistake my post for yours?

Star Trek Warp Drive =/= Alcubirre's Warp Drive. One is pure fiction other is proven theoretically by scientific community.

Brother Coa wrote:

McNinja wrote:Necrons are basically us in a few thousand years.

Unless we run out of fossil fuel, our planet becomes to unstable to support life, asteroid hit us, supervulcano becomes active...
It is will be very interesting few thousand years if we survive until then.

Let's see... not going to happen, not going to happen, and... not going to happen. We still have a huge reserve of oil under Alaska, our planet is nowhere near close to becoming unsuitable for sustaining life, any asteroid that has Earth in its crosshairs can be intercepted and redirected. NASA's budget may be crap, but they have great tech and smart people.

You obliviously never heard about warning that we will deplete all Oil by 2080, even with Alaska and Pacific reserves ( 2011 research by American institute for energy reserves ), or that Yellowstone super volcano should have exploded in like 10.000 years ago but didn't - and that it may explode in a year or 10 and with it we can say good buy to our civilization. As for Asteroids we got lucky at least 4 times in the past 50 years, brass from NASA even said that they need at least 7 years time to prepare everything to make any comet or asteroid off course. And that means if they discover it few years or months to late - we are dead.
I am just saying that you can't say what will happened in the next 100 years when we don't know what kind of disaster can hit us in 10.

Ummm... The largest natural Oil Reserve isn't in Alaska, it's in Green River Basin, just fyi.