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Not realy Skycapt, if push come to shove you would level the place, I know damn well I would.

If it did come down to ground forces I would think that some bradleys with 25mm mounts equiped with a mix of AP and SAPHE-T rounds would at least slow them down if not do them in while snipers with .50 cals and AP rounds picked them off from almost a mile away. Or possibley we could talk the taliban into providing some suicide bombers who could just run up and give the marines a high explosive bear hug.

Ribon Fox wrote:Not realy Skycapt, if push come to shove you would level the place, I know damn well I would.

I doubt any civil government would endanger civilians by leveling the place. Especially if they saw a single 'pod' fall to the earth with ten seemingly large warriors walking out. For arguments sake let's say they dropped in New York City. You mean to tell me the US army would fly by and drop bomb after bomb on one of the most densely populated cities on the planet. Maybe you would level the place but no smart president would endanger risking dropping bombs on his people. After all it is only 10 marines so it wouldn't take much to take them down in any setting. You'd be crazy to level the place. YMMV

skycapt44 wrote:

Ribon Fox wrote:Not realy Skycapt, if push come to shove you would level the place, I know damn well I would.

I doubt any civil government would endanger civilians by leveling the place. Especially if they saw a single 'pod' fall to the earth with ten seemingly large warriors walking out. For arguments sake let's say they dropped in New York City. You mean to tell me the US Air Force/Navy would fly by and drop bomb after bomb on one of the most densely populated cities on the planet. Maybe you would level the place but no smart president would endanger risking dropping bombs on his people. After all it is only 10 marines so it wouldn't take much to take them down in any setting. You'd be crazy to level the place. YMMV

Fix'd

A bunch of snipers with either .50 of 1.0 cal rifles, all hidden at 1.5-2 km of distance.

Bobthehero wrote:A bunch of snipers with either .50 of 1.0 cal rifles, all hidden at 1.5-2 km of distance.

It'll have to be 1.0.
.50 cal is S3, .75 (the calibre of the bolts are S4). Granted, the bolts are explosive, but still.
And they must hit the marines through the visor.

1.0 is 25 mm, about the size of an autocannon, I'd say they can hit anywhere and still cause serious injuries.

Bobthehero wrote:1.0 is 25 mm, about the size of an autocannon, I'd say they can hit anywhere and still cause serious injuries.

idk about that, actually.
I think IoM autocannons are a bit more destructive than ours, since they are 38k years more advanced.
Weapons tech can advance a lot after that many millennia.

Anyway, I would go with HEAT rounds. PA is basically a wearable tank, and as such dedicated tank weaponry should do something against it, as long as its a direct hit.
Not sure if it'll hurt the marine inside too much though, due to all the organs and stuff.

I think our best bet is to try to incapacitate the marines rather than kill them. Make their armor unusable and bog them down.

Most of my solutions to problems include constant use of explosives, why should this be any different?

I'm not allowed in leadership roles often.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think IoM autocannons are a bit more destructive than ours, since they are 38k years more advanced.

Actually, they're not. Most of the fluff mentioning Autoweapons(of all sizes) mentions that they're essentially the same as what has been in use since the late 20th Century. Rogue Trader specifically mentions 20th Century tank guns in relation to Autocannons.

Platuan4th wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think IoM autocannons are a bit more destructive than ours, since they are 38k years more advanced.

Actually, they're not. Most of the fluff mentioning Autoweapons(of all sizes) mentions that they're essentially the same as what has been in use since the late 20th Century. Rogue Trader specifically mentions 20th Century tank guns in relation to Autocannons.

Really? They actually specified that?
That's a bit backwards. I would imagine a race that's 38k more years advanced than ours would have better autocannons :/.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think IoM autocannons are a bit more destructive than ours, since they are 38k years more advanced.

Actually, they're not. Most of the fluff mentioning Autoweapons(of all sizes) mentions that they're essentially the same as what has been in use since the late 20th Century. Rogue Trader specifically mentions 20th Century tank guns in relation to Autocannons.

Really? They actually specified that?
That's a bit backwards. I would imagine a race that's 38k more years advanced than ours would have better autocannons :/.

But they're NOT 38K years more advanced. Remember that whole Age of Strife time when they lost and FORGOT much of their technological knowledge? The one that started in M23?

It's kind of why they rely on finding STCs to even HAVE technology.

Platuan4th wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I think IoM autocannons are a bit more destructive than ours, since they are 38k years more advanced.

Actually, they're not. Most of the fluff mentioning Autoweapons(of all sizes) mentions that they're essentially the same as what has been in use since the late 20th Century. Rogue Trader specifically mentions 20th Century tank guns in relation to Autocannons.

Really? They actually specified that?
That's a bit backwards. I would imagine a race that's 38k more years advanced than ours would have better autocannons :/.

But they're NOT 38K years more advanced. Remember that whole Dark Age of Technology time when they lost and FORGOT much of their technological knowledge? The one that started in M15?

It's kind of why they rely on finding STCs to even HAVE technology.

Ai, that's a good point. I forgot about that.

Really? This thread again? Are we going to have to go back and forth attempting to debate how strong Power Armor is?

We need a single A-10 Warthog in the air, and the SM are gone.

or a Sniper team with a .50 cal. The Heavy Stubber is the equivalent of a .50 caliber heavy machine gun. Once the ceramite shell cracks, the marines are good as dead. Well trained marksmen (like anyone from a SWAT sniper to a SEAL) would be able to pick out weak spots. Remember, this is real life, not models with a BS value.

or some 40mm grenade launchers.

McNinja wrote:Really? This thread again? Are we going to have to go back and forth attempting to debate how strong Power Armor is?

We need a single A-10 Warthog in the air, and the SM are gone.

or a Sniper team with a .50 cal. The Heavy Stubber is the equivalent of a .50 caliber heavy machine gun. Once the ceramite shell cracks, the marines are good as dead. Well trained marksmen (like anyone from a SWAT sniper to a SEAL) would be able to pick out weak spots. Remember, this is real life, not models with a BS value.

or some 40mm grenade launchers.

But Space Marines are not some just some fools who would wander around waiting to be bombed. If they set up a base of operations in a remote area with good cover we would never find them by air. An A-10 cannot shoot what it can't find (With the amount of experience and training that Space Marines have I think it is doubtful we would be able to pull off an ambush or find them unprepared). Of course they would eventually lose, but we would have to send in ground forces to find them and I think it is reasonable to suspect that a single tac squad could cause hundreds if not thousands of a casualties before it was taken out.

Zookie wrote:

McNinja wrote:Really? This thread again? Are we going to have to go back and forth attempting to debate how strong Power Armor is?

We need a single A-10 Warthog in the air, and the SM are gone.

or a Sniper team with a .50 cal. The Heavy Stubber is the equivalent of a .50 caliber heavy machine gun. Once the ceramite shell cracks, the marines are good as dead. Well trained marksmen (like anyone from a SWAT sniper to a SEAL) would be able to pick out weak spots. Remember, this is real life, not models with a BS value.

or some 40mm grenade launchers.

But Space Marines are not some just some fools who would wander around waiting to be bombed. If they set up a base of operations in a remote area with good cover we would never find them by air. An A-10 cannot shoot what it can't find (With the amount of experience and training that Space Marines have I think it is doubtful we would be able to pull off an ambush or find them unprepared). Of course they would eventually lose, but we would have to send in ground forces to find them and I think it is reasonable to suspect that a single tac squad could cause hundreds if not thousands of a casualties before it was taken out.

Satellite finds them via thermal imaging, the coordinates are relayed to an A-10 (or two or squadron, whatever), or hell, even the King of Battle. They then promptly rain down hell upon the coordinates. If satellite still detects moving SM, bring in another barrage. Bye bye SM.

liquidjoshi wrote:


This. Thousands of them.

I still like this idea best

an Abrams with its 120 could do it.

Its not terrible difficult to hit something with its gun, its more accurate then people think, and a 9 foot tall maybe what 4/5 feet wide target would not be hard to hit.

Park it out of range and plug away. a 120mm shell would instant kill them. HEAT rounds (football sized shaped charge round) to the center of mass or a long tungsten penetrator would make the marines fall easy.

course then the tech would be grabbed and reverse engineered as fast as possible....

The 120's not going to leave much to reverse engineer, so I stand by the .50/1 cal.

If you want to keep their tech, I recomend fire. Lots and lots of fire. Cook them inside their own armour.

Send wave after wave of troops at them until they exhaust their ammunition. Send in more troops to finish them off.

motyak wrote:

liquidjoshi wrote:


This. Thousands of them.

I still like this idea best

Did he hit that bus with one of those pool noodles? ... and it blew up?

Well as I live in montana and the terrain in this scenario is billed as rugged...

im going to say my weapon of choice is a match during our summer fire season.

I dont care how durable those space marines are. Stuck out in our woods with a several thousand acre forest fire surrounding them?

A helped fight some of the fires up here back in 06' those marines will be dead in a couple of days at the most.

Lt.Soundwave wrote:Well as I live in montana and the terrain in this scenario is billed as rugged...

im going to say my weapon of choice is a match during our summer fire season.

I dont care how durable those space marines are. Stuck out in our woods with a several thousand acre forest fire surrounding them?

A helped fight some of the fires up here back in 06' those marines will be dead in a couple of days at the most.

hence the earlier referanced FIREBOMBZZZ!!!one11!!

Looking at my flag and back to reality, I have no Earthly clue.

Our Rangers are a hard ass unit but Im not sure they'd have the firepower/ability to take out a full squad of Marines.
We have no air force to speak of and our heaviest vehicle is this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowag_Piranha

I suppose we could ply 'em with Poitin and busty Irish redheads.

Ratius wrote: busty Irish redheads.

Only if they are SW.
And what I would give to be one of them (the SW, that is)

No the traditional irish way - 2 smuggled german rifles, some booze and a tree on the road.

Seriously I think if marines landed they'd have a mission which they would probably pull off. They are essentially commandos.

Also even if we 50cal-ed one in the vizor he might live on. They are hard B@st@rds!

Defend against hostile Space Marines?
I would bow before them and begging them to conquer us.
I would just say to them: "All you have to do My Lord is to kill all of our presidents and Government members and all the nations will venerate you as saviors."

But to be perfectly honest, my nation would give medal to whoever kill every last idiot in our Governmental body. And to kill every idiot in US senate and government we would declare them as gods. No offence to guys living in US...

What about this plan; have infantry, mortar, and maybe some artillery pin them down while snipers fire at the marines' necks as it is said that the neck is one of the most exposed part for a marine (hence mk8 armor). It seems cost effective and you can have plenty(sp?) to salvage.

The whole sniper counter thing Im not sure about.
No clue how good RL snipers on but you're talking about hitting a tiny area on a beast that is moving over ground at what - 30mph? (humans can run at about 20mph?) in a constantly shifting battle, amongst terrain and potentially in a night fight scenario?

The Marines too are going to target those snipers ASAP.

Any info on RL bolter ranges?