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So why does everyone hate this


but is okay with this



The former makes more sense cause he is a chaos space marine and prolly got some chaos blessing to make him part animal

I'm not okay with either.

I'm not ok with either, also.

BOTH are a blight.
A pustulent buboe on the rump of gaming.

Kill Them Both!

They are EXTRA HERESY!

and must both be killed enmass

exactly, the title implies that the latter is acceptable.

40k has its own world. Bringing in other stuff from other worlds ruins it.

For example...

My friend was at the Colorado rennaisance fair in 2004. While she was walking around she noticed a pair of people immaculately dressed up as Klingons. They were drawing a lot of hostile stares. Just as she made it over there, someone else confronted them. Their reply?

"What are you complaining about, you're on OUR holodeck."

Magnificence of the prank aside, if you don't understand why everyone there wanted to punch them in the face, you won't understand why people hate you for pony marines or furry 40k.

Just because you don't understand it, however, doesn't mean you're not a horrible person.

40k is a fantasy world. Let's keep other fantasies out of it.

The thing is that when a guy draws a furry marine, he is hated

but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society

Ailaros pretty much nailed it, although it took me a minute to respond to say so, since I had to clean up my laughter-induced-soda-snorting mess after reading the bit about the Klingons at the renn fair. On the one hand, I don't particularly like pony marines, furry marines, or fem marines, but on the other hand I also don't like Blood Angels, Tyranids, or Space Wolves. I think it's one of those things where as long as people aren't forcing their weirdness on me, I'm good.

KhornePysker wrote:but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society

?

By who?

I dont' consider bronies to be any more clever, ironic, open-minded or artistic than anybody else, and I certainly don't see bringing my little ponies into the world of 40k to be an advancement of human society.

I think you've got to start talking to fewer bronies.

Ailaros wrote:

KhornePysker wrote:but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society

?

By who?

I dont' consider bronies to be any more clever, ironic, open-minded or artistic than anybody else, and I certainly don't see bringing my little ponies into the world of 40k to be an advancement of human society.

I think you've got to start talking to fewer bronies.

the size of the brony thread on dakka kind of gave me the idea

Ailaros wrote:

KhornePysker wrote:but when a brony does 40k artwork with ponies, he is deemed a clever ironic open minded artist and is considered an advancement of human society and brony society

?

By who?

I dont' consider bronies to be any more clever, ironic, open-minded or artistic than anybody else, and I certainly don't see bringing my little ponies into the world of 40k to be an advancement of human society.

I think you've got to start talking to fewer bronies.

I kinda agree with this, the only thing people consider clever is how good the conversions are at times.

Though I don't mind furry marines, they just have to be chaos, I'd call it a huge mutation of the geneseed that has caused them to go all beastmen like

Mainly because I saw this wonderful chaos conversion for 40k that used beastmen models in an excellent manner, looking like a prime example of what could happen to marines completely up by the warp and chaos mutations.

Which brony thread are you talking about? Because the one I remember was 80% spewing hatred

I AM NOT OK WITH EITHER

caps lock to show extent of dislike

Yeah... umm...

Furry marines exist to a degree. Go look up the Wulfen.

Either way, both are just dumb ideas, really.

I would say that both are ridiculous and make me a little sad. I personally dislike anything furry related, and the same goes for the whole "briny" phenomenon. That being said,if someone had gone to the trouble of painting their army using pony symbols or converted all their models to look like anthers, I'd still play against them, and wouldn't hold it against them. I just think it's silly to take magical friendship ponies into a grim dark setting like 40k, and furries are scarcely better, even if they can be more easily justified.

I think there are a couple of different issues here.

Pony Marines fit into the 40K fluff no better than Furry Marines do. It's a mix of genres that some people will enjoy for the novelty value, and some will hate as going against the grimdarkness of the 40K background.

From a purely modelling point of view, their acceptance is often going to come down to the standard of the modelling more than the subject matter.

If you're seeing more 'acceptance' of ponies at the moment, it's most likely just due to the current popularity of the MLP cartoon. Like any other fad, it will pass.

I don't care if someone does or doesn't like the cartoon. It doesn't fit with 40k whatsoever so I'm not okay with it, even if I find the effort that some people put into it strangely admirable. As for furries, same deal. Whatever you're into is fine, but it doesn't fit with 40k so keep it out of it. I'm okay with bringing in other fantasy/sci-fi worlds into 40k if they make sense or are done especially well - there's a Starcraft Terran-themed Deathwing army here on Dakka that's done incredibly well. There was also a great Dune army with Fremen riding on sandworms and some incredible kitbashes and conversions. These are both universes that at least are in the same neighborhood of 40k, content-wise. Cartoons about pretty ponies or guys in their 30's wearing fox tails are not.

Brother SRM wrote: I'm okay with bringing in other fantasy/sci-fi worlds into 40k if they make sense or are done especially well - there's a Starcraft Terran-themed Deathwing army here on Dakka that's done incredibly well. There was also a great Dune army with Fremen riding on sandworms and some incredible kitbashes and conversions.

Why are these in any way better? It may be a less dissimilar foreign fluff, but it's still foreign fluff. I roll my eyes at star wars guardsmen just as hard as furry marines.

Leave your cross-overs for slash fiction...

I'm not sure what forum you're looking at, but every thread I've seen with ponies in it has earned 20% praise and at least 70-80% hate. A lot of them get shut down before they even get going.

Now furries on the other hand are a bit more justified. Afterall, what else can you call the space wolves? And before you SW players rage at me, go read your codex and count how many times the word "wolf" shows up in it. I'll wait

That said, a "furry" Space wolf army would be hilarious. Just watch some guy say "You know what, I'm taking this to the extreme. If they're going to be obsessed with wolves, they're going ALL. THE. WAY" Of course, this could lead to some really creepy marines...

As for my opinions on the matter, I don't care how a person models their army. It always bugs me to see the people who take this game so seriously that they can't get a bit of humor out of it. We're playing a game with little plastic army men that has a rulebook so thick you could beat a person to death with it. If you can't have a little lighthearted humor once in a while, I worry for you.

Obviously, if a person just took some MLP mcdonalds toys and glued space marine shoulder pads to them, I wouldn't be impressed. But if the guy went through and custom sculpted armor on them and made special helmets and whatnot, yeah, I'll tip my hat to him. As long as the models aren't modeled after the KKK (which is a real problem out where I live) or nazis or something like that, I don't care.

As far as I'm concerned, furry 40k is bad because furries take themselves too seriously. Also, like it or not, most people see furries as a sexual subculture, akin to bdsm, and are going to react with unease.

On the other hand, bronies tend not to take the show too seriously, and seem (in my experience) to use mash ups with other settings as a way to poke fun at both. Most of the pony 40k stuff I've seen has been about using the similarities (unquestioning obedience to an immortal emperor, caste system, strange and chaotic forces lurking beyond the reach of civilization) to humorously highlight the complete incompatibility in tone.

Both I find to be pretty silly, but hey, if you want a furry/pony SM army, it's your army.

Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.

As far as I'm concerned, furry 40k is bad because furries take themselves too seriously.

*See's an entire thread full of serious grimdarkdark warhammer players*

Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.

Since when is being a furry or brony akin to being a sexual act or a showing of sexual paraphernalia?

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, furry 40k is bad because furries take themselves too seriously.

*See's an entire thread full of serious grimdarkdark warhammer players*

Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.

Since when is being a furry or brony akin to being a sexual act or a showing of sexual paraphernalia?

Its not, however it is stupid and depending on level of interest, often rather creepy.

MrMoustaffa wrote:It always bugs me to see the people who take this game so seriously that they can't get a bit of humor out of it. We're playing a game with little plastic army men that has a rulebook so thick you could beat a person to death with it. If you can't have a little lighthearted humor once in a while, I worry for you.

40k has its own sense of humor, called grimdark.

The fact that there are little army men has nothing to do with it. The Bible doesn't even come with miniatures, but people would still get upset if a bunch of my little ponies got written in to all of the stories.

People like to engage in fantasy, and fantasy only really works properly when it's deep and consistent. Anything that disrupts this disrupts the fantasy, and makes the otherwise meaningful experience less meaningful.

I mean, imagine if you were watching porn and suddenly there was a MLP advertisement that popped up in front of it. It would kind of ruin the experience. Or, better yet, imagine if you were watching MLP and suddenly a bunch of space marines drop podded in and burned everyone to death with flame throwers and blew open their equine heads like over-ripe melons with depleted duterium explosive ammunition. It would be no less disruptive.

It's no less obnoxious than people who are purposeful photobombers. Let me have my experience in peace, with a little respect.

It's heresy either way.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, furry 40k is bad because furries take themselves too seriously.

*See's an entire thread full of serious grimdarkdark warhammer players*

Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.

Since when is being a furry or brony akin to being a sexual act or a showing of sexual paraphernalia?

Ummm... I don't know what your deffinition of furry is, but where I'm from, it means a person who dresses up in an animal suit to get their "kicks".

Does this mean something different elsewhere? I'm being serious, everytime I've seen "furry" related stuff, it has been sexual in nature, and I mean that in the most mindscarringly, brain bleach inducing way possible.

Bronies seems to be more of a joke thing, which I could get behind. Still not going to watch a show about magical ponies though guys, no offense.

EDIT: @ Ailaros, I can see where you're coming from. I however was referring to people who don't see any of the more ironic parts of grimdark at all. I'm talking about the guys who break out in a fit of hives at the merest mention of anything that is not gloom and doom. If you need to get an idea of what I'm referring to, go find a Tau thread and read down a few posts.

I get the whole "bringing stuff over from another universe ruining this one." That's a perfectly reasonable response to things like MLP being dropped into 40k. While it doesn't rile me up much, I could see a player who's invested a lot of time into his army looking across the table, seeing something like a MLP themed army, and being miffed.

Wow, I never watched any MLP cartoons and the only time I knew about them was from 40k.... I even saw a 9gag post of a dreadnought ripping a pony into 2 pieces. All of a sudden a huge amount of hate was in the comments bar....

MrMoustaffa wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, furry 40k is bad because furries take themselves too seriously.

*See's an entire thread full of serious grimdarkdark warhammer players*

Both are inserting a ridiculous fetish into the hobby. With the difference that anyone drawing Dildo Marines or Golden Shower Marines or anything like that would know full well how it would be received, but furries and bronies act all indignant about being called out for doing the exact same thing. Keep it in your bedroom.

Since when is being a furry or brony akin to being a sexual act or a showing of sexual paraphernalia?

Ummm... I don't know what your deffinition of furry is, but where I'm from, it means a person who dresses up in an animal suit to get their "kicks".

Does this mean something different elsewhere? I'm being serious, everytime I've seen "furry" related stuff, it has been sexual in nature, and I mean that in the most mindscarringly, brain bleach inducing way possible.

Bronies seems to be more of a joke thing, which I could get behind. Still not going to watch a show about magical ponies though guys, no offense.

Furry fandom is a fandom for fictional anthropomorphic animal characters with human personalities and characteristics.[1] Examples of anthropomorphic attributes include exhibiting human intelligence and facial expressions, the ability to speak, walk on two legs, and wear clothes. Furry fandom is also used to refer to the community of people who gather on the Internet and at conventions.[

There's a fandom there after all. Not just a fully sexual thing. (Kind of like how everyone flanderizes Slaanesh now, ugh)

I think people hate furries, because furry hate has been an ongoing phenomena within the 40k fandom. Ponies aren't more accepted its just that there are so many bronies that what they do seems to overshadow any kind of furries that people put into 40k. I'd say it has to do more with that there are more bronies now than there are furries in the world. Most bronies are just normal people who like MLP and find it amusing to see ponies in 40k outfits or crossed over into any other franchise. That's just how it is.

MrMoustaffa wrote:Bronies seems to be more of a joke thing.

If it is, it's a pretty bad joke.

"who can be the most irreverant?" humor generally stops being funny once you finish puberty...