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According to this http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/18468-.html?m=2 the Emperor has watched the human race evolve and develop technology etc. Does this mean he was around in the time of Warhammer Fanasy Battles? Which character do you think he is? Or are the two completely different universes?

Two completely different universes. PERIOD.

I think that the WHF world is in the 40K Universe...

WHFB is a different universe, not just periods.For instance, the world in Whfb is called the old world. Where as in the 40k humans came from earth. Also another great example is that in 40k DE fight against slaneesh but in WHFB they worship him.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:I think that the WHF world is in the 40K Universe...

Whether or not the Warhammer world exists in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, it is not, despite its similar georgaphy and cultures, Terra, birthplace of the Emperor.

True. It was worth a shot!

In previous editions it was "just another world out of millions".

This all stopped around 3rd ed or so. When the games were literally forced apart (when 40k dropped modifiers for shooting, and movement stats, forcing all foot troops to move the same distance. SM got buffed, Eldar and genestealers used to be able to outpace them in movement.)

FenWulf29 wrote:Also another great example is that in 40k DE fight against slaneesh but in WHFB they worship him.

They do not. The Witch King and the Priestesses of Khaine hate Chaos-worshippers with a passion that rivals the Imperial Inquisition of 40k.

Oops Sorry guys for my false background, i heard that from my local GW. Anyway i was right about the Dark eldar.

FenWulf29 wrote: Oops Sorry guys for my false background, i heard that from my local GW. Anyway i was right about the Dark eldar.

Perhaps not entirely. Before the Great Sundering, many Dark Elves worshipped Slaanesh through ***surprise*** Pleasure Cults. They were suppressed by the Witch King (though he wasn't the Witch King then) but were spared in exchange for political support. Currently, there are suspicions by some Priestesses of Khaine (but I can't find a source) that Queen Morathi may still be leading the Pleasure Cults, though there's little to no evidence.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:I think that the WHF world is in the 40K Universe...

I couldn't find a source, but I did read that look through the ruins of the Warp Portals in the Chaos Wastes, you can catch glimpses of the 40k universe. If true, then it's probably a world in the middle of a Warp Storm.

It has been proven that the WHFB world is in the 40k world, and that it is just caught in a warp storm. The liber damonica which was "written by a mad profit" from fantasy had drawings of CSM in it.

Skal098 wrote:It has been proven that the WHFB world is in the 40k world, and that it is just caught in a warp storm. The liber damonica which was "written by a mad profit" from fantasy had drawings of CSM in it.

you mean Liber Chaotica, right?

but how do you explain Slanesh existing before Sigmar in WHFB but in W40K he's only 10,000 years old?

Lotet wrote:

Skal098 wrote:It has been proven that the WHFB world is in the 40k world, and that it is just caught in a warp storm. The liber damonica which was "written by a mad profit" from fantasy had drawings of CSM in it.

you mean Liber Chaotica, right?

but how do you explain Slanesh existing before Sigmar in WHFB but in W40K he's only 10,000 years old?

Well, two reasons spring to mind.

1) The warp does funny thinngs to time and space. Slaanesh has also been described as 'always has been and at the same time never been' in the Daemon codex or words to that effect.

2) Also... Just because the universes might be linked, does not mean that Sigmar is a Primarch and thus any time setting is applicable in the 40k universe. Giles le Breton, Anaerion, Nagash, the WHFB world is full of heroic individuals.

Maybe Slaanesh was just sitting on the edge between minor/major Chaos Gods for a long time, he is the weakest after all, combat-wise that is. and that event after the 31st millenium was his ascension.

EDIT; also, I have no idea what you mean with explanation No.2.

Lotet wrote:

Skal098 wrote:It has been proven that the WHFB world is in the 40k world, and that it is just caught in a warp storm. The liber damonica which was "written by a mad profit" from fantasy had drawings of CSM in it.

you mean Liber Chaotica, right?

but how do you explain Slanesh existing before Sigmar in WHFB but in W40K he's only 10,000 years old?

This of course also assumes that Sigmar is a Primarch which is a whole 'nother can of worms haha

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oh, now I get what you guys are saying...

I meant Slaanesh is only 10,000 years old. why do people have to behave like you lot? I only brought Sigmar in because the the first year on the Imperial Calender starts with his coronation.

Lotet wrote:Maybe Slaanesh was just sitting on the edge between minor/major Chaos Gods for a long time, he is the weakest after all, combat-wise that is. and that event after the 31st millenium was his ascension.

EDIT; also, I have no idea what you mean with explanation No.2.

Sorry perhaps I worded it poorly.

It doesn't matter how long Slaanesh existed in 40k and Whfb in comparison to Sigmar, either existing already or only just brought into existance.
It is a concept based on that Sigmar is a Primarch. Which he may not be.

who in the world thinks Sigmar is a Primarch?

wait, I just searched it... it was inplied he was a Primarch in the old fluff?

man, the rift between the Old and Current stories is bigger than I thought. I was was under the impression that there were just a few casual nods of acknowledgement between the 2 but it seems all these conspiracies go deeper that I would have imagined. and the more I read of it, the more plausible it sounds.

I wouldnt be suprised, because the emperor is literally immortal and has been alive since before humanity left earth

In the begining of the games there was some stuff that said\hinted (think its hinted) that the universes where the same or at least really close. Now GW has been tryin to seperate the two Universes completly.

Cant remeber where I got this from, Ill see if I can find something.

Skal098 wrote:It has been proven that the WHFB world is in the 40k world, and that it is just caught in a warp storm. The liber damonica which was "written by a mad profit" from fantasy had drawings of CSM in it.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

3rd ed retconned this. WHFB is not in WH40k at all. Nope. Not a chance.

I thought Slannesh was a bit older than 10k years as of m41?

WHFB may not take place on earth, but i don't see why it couldn't take place on some backwater planet no one has discovered yet. Except Daemons. They get everywhere.

McNinja wrote:WHFB may not take place on earth, but i don't see why it couldn't take place on some backwater planet no one has discovered yet. Except Daemons. They get everywhere.

No, GW has already stated that the two universes are separate.

The WHFB "world" is the Chaos gods "sandbox" so to say.

Ok, I've read through the codex from 2nd edition 40k and talked with a few friends that have been in the game since the start. Yes at the early start of 40k you could use whfb minatures in 40k. But as time progressed this was done away with. The reason was the need to have continuity of the story and having a firm base for the backround in 40k. The 3rd eddition did away with using whfb minatures completely and stripped away a movement statistic from 40k profiles. No Sigmar is not a bloody primarch.


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Ok, I've read through the codex from 2nd edition 40k and talked with a few friends that have been in the game since the start. Yes at the early start of 40k you could use whfb minatures in 40k. But as time progressed this was done away with. The reason was the need to have continuity of the story and having a firm base for the backround in 40k. The 3rd eddition did away with using whfb minatures completely and stripped away a movement statistic from 40k profiles. No Sigmar is not a bloody primarch.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440042a&prodId=prod1160089a

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Just leads me to a GW splash page, nothing further.

FB and 40K, being from the same company, do share some nods at one another and some common lore and images. It was, once upon a time, possible to get chainswords as Gifts of Chaos in FB, and may still be possible, but this is just a nod to the other title, not proof that one is resident within the other.

The Emperor mentioned in FB is the ruler of the human Empire, named Karl Franz II, the last I knew (this may have changed, it's been many years since I did anything with Fantasy), not the immortal God-Emperor of Mankind.

And, yes, Sigmar was kinda-sorta hinted at being a Primarch. Probably one of the lost Primarchs. Doesn't matter, because it was only ever a rumor, never confirmed.

DemetriDominov wrote:I thought Slannesh was a bit older than 10k years as of m41?

The borth of Slaanesh was what created the Eye of Terror and quieted the warp storms that had cut Terra off from the rest of the galaxy... allowing the Emperor to launch the Great Crusade.

The Horus Heresy happened around a thousand years later.

A small eldar fiction seemed to suggest that WHFB 'Earth' would be the birth place of the Eldar, not humanity. The moons were described in the same way, IIRC.