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2012/06/04 19:55:31
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Bill Maher takes on entertainment and politics. Of course, the people calling Obama "extreme" must have missed the entire 8 years of war crimes, unconstitutional spying on Americans, etc. under the Bush/Cheney administration.
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2012/06/04 19:56:54
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Pfft. Amateurs. James K. Polk- now there was an extreme president.
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2012/06/04 20:02:42
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
That is ration sensation. I can name several presidents more extreme than Obama. FDR, Lincoln, Jefferson and Adams were on opposite ends and their administrations were giant rubber bands of policy. Hell, Jackson told the SCOTUS to shove it.
BrassScorpion wrote:must have missed the entire 8 years of war crimes, unconstitutional spying on Americans, etc. under the Bush/Cheney administration.
I must have missed that too, which Tom Clancy was that?
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2012/06/04 20:16:40
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Gitzbitah wrote:Pfft. Amateurs. James K. Polk- now there was an extreme president.
Grover Cleveland es! He's the Tupac Shakur of the late 1800s. Tzar Andreovich II once ed with Cleveland. Cleveland popped some caps in his Tzarist rear with his '45er and ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti. In their shame, the Russians hid all evidence that there ever was a Tzar Andreovich II. Thats how utterly extreme he was.
Second Place: Lincoln. As is now coming to light he saved the Union - with an axe- from those steenking vampires.
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2012/06/04 21:22:26
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/06/05 00:25:26
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Well, you have to appreciate that he was looking for an ass to kick about that oil platform debacle.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/06/05 01:37:05
Subject: Re:What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Melissia wrote:Well, you have to appreciate that he was looking for an ass to kick about that oil platform debacle.
Beleive it or not there's not a whole lot that Obama has done since being elected I hold against him. He handled the BP crisis with due aplomb, it's still a black eye for his administration that regardless of his actual responsibility (IMHO:0) will likely be remembered in much the same fashion as Katrina for Bush.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/06/05 01:43:40
Subject: Re:What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/06/05 01:50:02
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Well considering Obama is pushing a lot of the same positions that Republicans had five to ten years ago... were republicans Center Right back then?
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2012/06/05 02:03:13
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Melissia wrote:Well considering Obama is pushing a lot of the same positions that Republicans had five to ten years ago... were republicans Center Right back then?
Sort of depends on the policies does it not? It's not unheard of for Republicans to push policies that are decidedly left of center and try to spin it as conservatism. I have to say at the State of the Union following the midterm elections I thought he out GOPed the Republicans, as with many other things personal bias enters a great deal. I don't think he's center-right but he's not far left either, I DO think he represents about the middle of the Progressive Democrats which would put him firmly left of center. He's no Max Baucus and certainly not a Mary Landrieu.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/06/05 02:27:53
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
AustonT wrote:Didn't need a hurricane he got to preside over an eco-disaster of epic proportions.
He did screw up the Deepwater Horizon and a tornado.
Plus, I thought the consensus wasn't that Bush screwed up Katrina, rather that Bush caused Katrina. Haliburton-controlled weather satellites or something.
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2012/06/05 04:22:52
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
AustonT wrote:Didn't need a hurricane he got to preside over an eco-disaster of epic proportions.
He did screw up the Deepwater Horizon and a tornado.
Plus, I thought the consensus wasn't that Bush screwed up Katrina, rather that Bush caused Katrina. Haliburton-controlled weather satellites or something.
Woah gak man... you must be living with some dope roommates to have the misconception that most people blame Katrina on bush. I had some crazy roommates once and I started generalizing and assuming that everyone else was crazy because I was just used to dealing with crazy people. If I were you I'd move out, get a new place and a fresh start, man.
The point being, most people don't think that.
2012/06/05 04:32:42
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Most people say Bush handled it incompetently but they don't blame the actual hurricane on him.
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2012/06/05 06:14:55
Subject: Re:What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
"Is Obama the most extreme president" isn't actually a question with an answer, because 'extreme' is a vague word that you can't actually rank people against, and so the whole thing becomes this vague pile of nonsense. The point of asking this question, the latest in a long line of stupid Republican tricks, is not to have any kind of honest claim that Obama is the most 'extreme', but just to associate Obama with the word 'extreme'. Extreme has been shown to have negative connotations in the minds of voters, and so maybe you've moved Obama down in the minds of some people through this.
And speaking of stupid Republican tricks...
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biccat wrote:He did screw up the Deepwater Horizon and a tornado.
Plus, I thought the consensus wasn't that Bush screwed up Katrina, rather that Bush caused Katrina. Haliburton-controlled weather satellites or something.
Oh look, here's two more. In the first stupid Republican trick, we have the vague assertion that Obama screwed up Deepwater. We all know something bad happened and it went on along time, so it must have been Obama's screw up...
The second stupid Republican trick is to grossly exaggerate the criticism of Bush about Katrina. So instead of just being 'Bush's changes to FEMA left the organisation in poor position to respond effectively to Katrina' they pretend its 'Democrats claim Bush caused Katrina'. This is preferable because the second position is easy to dismiss, while the second is very hard to dismiss, because its true.
So, in summary, oh look, Republicans are engaging in political discourse in a disingenuous manner, and this is a shocking new thing that has never happened before.
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2012/06/05 08:04:32
Subject: Re:What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
You missed "mitigating the successful elimination of OBL". I found that the right-wing type people are very quick to make sure that Obama gets minimal-to-no credit for Obama's call to send in the SEALS despite the fact it was a very dangerous call to make politically, and he was roundly ridiculed for suggesting that he would go into Pakistan at all previously.
I think it was probably the best thing he's done so far, to be honest. I know that strategically he's just one man and he isn't technically that important overall (though I'd never say so publically, if I were the guy responsible for catching him), but I think it was critical to our national security (as well as our national morale) to know that if you strike at the US, we'll never, ever stop hunting you until you are dead or in custody, even when it's inconvenient to do so.
So far as being "extreme", I've found him to be extremely moderate and middle of the road in all ways. I think the only people that can find him otherwise are the same guys who want to pretend this is a functional way of governing:
1.) You want an apple
2.) You declare you want 10 apples
3.) You give absolutely nothing whatsoever to negotiate in good faith for those apples
4.) When the legislation to give you 5 apples finally comes up, none of your bloc votes for it
5.) After you get the 5 apples, you call the other side a bunch of socialists who are running this country into the ground by giving away too many damn apples.
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2012/06/05 08:06:39
Subject: Re:What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Ouze wrote:1.) You want an apple
2.) You declare you want 10 apples
3.) You give absolutely nothing whatsoever to negotiate in good faith for those apples
4.) When the legislation to give you 5 apples finally comes up, none of your bloc votes for it
5.) After you get the 5 apples, you call the other side a bunch of socialists who are running this country into the ground by giving away too many damn apples.
I approve of this analogy. I don't care if its true or not, but I approve
Melissia wrote:Most Democrats trying to shift the blame from the Democratic Governor and "Chocolate City" Nagan say Bush handled it incompetently but they don't blame the actual hurricane on him.
Corrected your typo.
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2012/06/05 11:31:22
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
LoneLictor wrote:Woah gak man... you must be living with some dope roommates to have the misconception that most people blame Katrina on bush. I had some crazy roommates once and I started generalizing and assuming that everyone else was crazy because I was just used to dealing with crazy people. If I were you I'd move out, get a new place and a fresh start, man.
Melissia wrote:Most Democrats trying to shift the blame from the Democratic Governor and "Chocolate City" Nagan say Bush handled it incompetently but they don't blame the actual hurricane on him.
Corrected your typo.
No.
There's no blame-shifting involved here. There's nothing to suggest that there is no or less blame on the Louisiana government's corruption. That is something that you pulled entirely out of your ass.
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2012/06/05 14:56:59
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Melissia wrote:Most Democrats trying to shift the blame from the Democratic Governor and "Chocolate City" Nagan say Bush handled it incompetently but they don't blame the actual hurricane on him.
Corrected your typo.
No.
There's no blame-shifting involved here. There's nothing to suggest that there is no or less blame on the Louisiana government's corruption. That is something that you pulled entirely out of your ass.
Horse gak. Your memory is blindingly false. Democrats screamed and screamed that it was all Bush's fault, despite that its not the job of FEMA to do that.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2012/06/05 15:10:16
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Yes, there's always outliers who get reported on more than they should. If you want to try to argue that they're representative of all Democrats, then you should also be arguing that Curtis Knapp and Fred Phelps are representative of all Christians.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2012/06/05 15:43:35
Subject: What do they really mean by "most extreme" president of all time?
Melissia wrote:Yes, there's always outliers who get reported on more than they should. If you want to try to argue that they're representative of all Democrats, then you should also be arguing that Curtis Knapp and Fred Phelps are representative of all Christians.
You mean like Al Gore, former VP of the United States? he's no "outlier."
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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