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Some rumours regarding 6th edition mentioned that Fantasy-style challenges could be coming to close combat in 40k.

If that worked the way Fantasy does, that would require your power fist champions/sergeants to either accept the challenge and fight one-on-one with your opponent's character/champion (and possibly die before swinging) or hide behind his unit and not attack.

Given that the advantage of power fists in 5th is that they cannot be singled out by attacks and almost always to get to swing that seems like it would make power fists less valuable.

Nitros14 wrote:Some rumours regarding 6th edition mentioned that Fantasy-style challenges could be coming to close combat in 40k.

If that worked the way Fantasy does, that would require your power fist champions/sergeants to either accept the challenge and fight one-on-one with your opponent's character/champion (and possibly die before swinging) or hide behind his unit and not attack.

Given that the advantage of power fists in 5th is that they cannot be singled out by attacks and almost always to get to swing that seems like it would make power fists less valuable.

WHF is about the unit as a whole. 40k is more about the charectors. Entire armies would be broken by fantasy style duels, BA would lose their priests in a flash, blob guard would lose their commissars, orks would lose their boss pole, etc.
So yeah, not going to happen.
Not that there couldn't be some kind of potential for if two ICs happen to be in base contact, but that'd be different (and potentialy cooler).

I'm pretty sure all the rumors I've seen for duels say that it's IC's only.

Well... sanguinary priests are ICs. So that would kinda suck hard balls.

Anyone know if pistols will be able to be used in hand to hand?

For God's sake, for 25 points a piece that had better not be the case. That would be insane.

Enzephalon wrote:Well... sanguinary priests are ICs. So that would kinda suck hard balls.

It means you need to buff up your priest into terminator armor and give them a power weapon to increase their chances of survival.
Sure Abbadon will still eat 12 priests for breakfast, but that's an unfair comparison. He eats Dragio for breakfast too.

Of course, since you just want the FNP bubble, you could always just have him go hide from the challange.

it depends. Another rumour is that Jump Infantry get an "alpha strike" at I10. If this carries over to their wargear and challenges then your Jump Sergeant could challenge an IC, charge in and smack the opponent with an I10 powerfist.

eep.

IC calling each other out isn't exactly new. If anyone plays BT still, The Emperor's Champion has that " Slayer of Champions" rule. So it could be something like that.

Its supposed to be ic vs ic, so your priests are fine until that sm captain makes it into cc

Doesn't Imhotekh have a rule that does something to enemy ICs as well? Dont have my codex to hand.

Praxiss wrote:Doesn't Imhotekh have a rule that does something to enemy ICs as well? Dont have my codex to hand.

Yeah, he scores D3 extra wounds against IC for calculating wounds. IIRC

Plus the Mind Shackle things that make you attack yourself.

I am really hoping 90% of these rumors are just that. If they are in fact rules I will not be playing much in the way of 6th.

Sunoccard wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Doesn't Imhotekh have a rule that does something to enemy ICs as well? Dont have my codex to hand.

Yeah, he scores D3 extra wounds against IC for calculating wounds. IIRC

He effectes characters not just Independent characters.

jbunny wrote:Plus the Mind Shackle things that make you attack yourself.

I am really hoping 90% of these rumors are just that. If they are in fact rules I will not be playing much in the way of 6th.

Then I wouldn't worry about it. 90% of the rumors so far have been sheer bunk when it comes to 40k releases.

Enzephalon wrote:Well... sanguinary priests are ICs. So that would kinda suck hard balls.

Wolf guard aren't though!

Grugknuckle wrote:

Enzephalon wrote:Well... sanguinary priests are ICs. So that would kinda suck hard balls.

Wolf guard aren't though!

but but but... Arjac Rockfist wants to duel. He really really does.

So does Lukas ;-)

But, yeah, alot of these rumors sound like garbage from Fantasy. Which the latest ed killed for me. Here's hoping 40k doesn't get similar treatment. After the advances from 3rd to 4th to 5th, I think it's a very playable ruleset as is and really needs more codex balancing than fundamental rules changes.

Well, duels are not part of modern warfare. Not sue what GW is thinking. That's garbage.

Ghazthraka would like to have a conversation with your sang priest... while i like it ... I doubt it

I'll meet your challenge and raise you a Mephiston!

Note that in WHFB, champion/sergeants of the squad is a model that can accept challenges. Thus, powerfist sergents will be killed in a flash. Without steadfast rule in WHFB, I don't see your main damage dealers being so vulnerable.

For priests though, it is fair that they should be subjected to challenge. How do you expect to encourage your men to furiously charge the enemy while you cowardly hide in the back like right now?

If that's the case my decade with Orks is done. The entire Codex is based on the Power Klaw!

I hope all this duel speak is nonsense... Can't see how would be a good move in 40k.

TheLionOfTheForest wrote:I'll meet your challenge and raise you a Mephiston!

mephiston doesn't have an inv save, and ghaz has a 2++ on the waaagh ... challenge accepted, you can even bring the priest and an assault squad to the fight

Mephy isn't an IC. If the duels are for ICs only, mephy can just sit on the side lines going "but? What? I could do so... damn it! ... I wanna fight too." <pouts and kicks a small rock off into the distance.>


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The rules for dueling have to be fair for ICs across the board.

Simultanious attacks need to be mandatory regardless of Init value or wargear restrictions. Otherwise DE ICs are just going to slaughter everything due to most having a Init of 8 or 9.

My guess is that there arn't challanges, but rather that Sergeants can be picked out like ICs if you are in BtB with them.

So if a guy wants to swing his power fist he make have to take a few hits.

Grey Templar wrote:My guess is that there arn't challanges, but rather that Sergeants can be picked out like ICs if you are in BtB with them.

So if a guy wants to swing his power fist he make have to take a few hits.

So...third edition rules. The edition where no one geared their sergeants because they got splattered before swinging a fist.

Not happening. There was an entire set of new assault rules to stop this from happening.

G00fySmiley wrote:

TheLionOfTheForest wrote:I'll meet your challenge and raise you a Mephiston!

mephiston doesn't have an inv save, and ghaz has a 2++ on the waaagh ... challenge accepted, you can even bring the priest and an assault squad to the fight

I WISH Mephiston could be called out, cuz then he either has to waste every single one of his attacks on my IC or not attack at all.

@Andilus: if WHFB is any indication, it won't be wasted. Any extra wounds on top is counted as +1 for his combat resolution and none of your other guys can swing at him. Thus, if Memp can dual, you are in severe loss.