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What's the best way to bring down these puppies?

If a GK player fields dreadnoughts, Necrons have lots of solutions (CCB, Scarabs, Destroteks). Combined with solar pulse, we have a fighting chance.

However, if they have dreadknights it's a larger problem. A toughness 6, 4 wound, 2+/5++ monster is much harder for us to kill than any vehicle. Is a tarpit the only pracitcal solution, short of throwing in excess of 200pts at a <200pt model?

Short of relying on I can't see a way around them.

Destroteks will do a good bit of work on them, yes, they have a 5+ invuln, but they do wound on twos, and bypass that ever-so important Armor save.
I could see Wraiths and Lychguard working well against them.
Scarabs can munch away its armor save with one successful wound too

Mind Shacklers are really cute solutions to monstrous critters. Warscythe attacks are about as good against it as they are against anything else.

It also has no FNP so trying to torrent it down with Destructors isn't out of the question.

I also wonder how well 3 spyders stack up to one. Don't they cost about the same?

Wraiths aren't a horrible tarpit for anything. I'd be worried about the instant death though.

Yeah, one wound from a Scarab and its suddenly only got a 5++.

But seriously, its a T6 terminator with multiple wounds and it will almost never have a cover save.

Shoot it down, it will die to volume of fire.

Lanceteks will kill it in about 5-6 shots.

You can still sweep it in your CCB, and that should be able to put a wound or two on it as well.

Tesla Destructors can work, but you'd need to throw more than one pair at it, and it really needs to be combined with some other aspects of your army.

I'd be concerned about throwing anything with Multiple wounds at it, due to the possibility of it Force weaponing you.

Lucre wrote:Mind Shacklers are really cute solutions to monstrous critters. Warscythe attacks are about as good against it as they are against anything else.

Sasori wrote:I'd be concerned about throwing anything with Multiple wounds at it, due to the possibility of it Force weaponing you.

I'm inclined to agree with Sasori here. I'm reluctant to throw an O'Lord on foot at the D'Knight, because then there's the threat of instant death (D'nought CCW, S10). Given that the odds are already favouring the GK, I'm reluctant to rely on the Mind Shackle to succeed (mathammer gives me a 50% change of beating Ld10 on 3D6). Especially considering that I don't run Phase Shifters (I think the 45pts is better spent elsewhere).

But if I'm feeling particularly risk-loving, it's always an option (and I'd be lying if I said I'd never consider it).

DexKivuli wrote:

Lucre wrote:Mind Shacklers are really cute solutions to monstrous critters. Warscythe attacks are about as good against it as they are against anything else.

Sasori wrote:I'd be concerned about throwing anything with Multiple wounds at it, due to the possibility of it Force weaponing you.

I'm inclined to agree with Sasori here. I'm reluctant to throw an O'Lord on foot at the D'Knight, because then there's the threat of instant death (D'nought CCW, S10). Given that the odds are already favouring the GK, I'm reluctant to rely on the Mind Shackle to succeed (mathammer gives me a 50% change of beating Ld10 on 3D6). Especially considering that I don't run Phase Shifters (I think the 45pts is better spent elsewhere).

But if I'm feeling particularly risk-loving, it's always an option (and I'd be lying if I said I'd never consider it).

Regular lords can take mind shackle, and the DK can't direct hits into it.

Depends on your list, but a D&D combo might work?

DexKivuli wrote:

Lucre wrote:Mind Shacklers are really cute solutions to monstrous critters. Warscythe attacks are about as good against it as they are against anything else.

Sasori wrote:I'd be concerned about throwing anything with Multiple wounds at it, due to the possibility of it Force weaponing you.

I'm inclined to agree with Sasori here. I'm reluctant to throw an O'Lord on foot at the D'Knight, because then there's the threat of instant death (D'nought CCW, S10). Given that the odds are already favouring the GK, I'm reluctant to rely on the Mind Shackle to succeed (mathammer gives me a 50% change of beating Ld10 on 3D6). Especially considering that I don't run Phase Shifters (I think the 45pts is better spent elsewhere).

But if I'm feeling particularly risk-loving, it's always an option (and I'd be lying if I said I'd never consider it).

actually unless they take the thunder hammer, they just have doom fists which are just nemesis weapons. i.e. power weapon and can forceweapon (do get +1 attack for 2 fists though). The thunderhammer however can get up to str 10 (minus an attack). The doomfists are str 6 hits. With hammer hand they can get up to str 7 but cannot force weapon you. Sword is also just str 6 base but reroll everything. See GK FAQ for additional details. (yes, it's been officially FAQ'ed already)

USe mindshackle scarabs and watch it stab itself in the face until it dies. Bonus hilarity points if it brought a force weapon to the table.

sudojoe wrote:

DexKivuli wrote:

Lucre wrote:Mind Shacklers are really cute solutions to monstrous critters. Warscythe attacks are about as good against it as they are against anything else.

Sasori wrote:I'd be concerned about throwing anything with Multiple wounds at it, due to the possibility of it Force weaponing you.

I'm inclined to agree with Sasori here. I'm reluctant to throw an O'Lord on foot at the D'Knight, because then there's the threat of instant death (D'nought CCW, S10). Given that the odds are already favouring the GK, I'm reluctant to rely on the Mind Shackle to succeed (mathammer gives me a 50% change of beating Ld10 on 3D6). Especially considering that I don't run Phase Shifters (I think the 45pts is better spent elsewhere).

But if I'm feeling particularly risk-loving, it's always an option (and I'd be lying if I said I'd never consider it).

actually unless they take the thunder hammer, they just have doom fists which are just nemesis weapons. i.e. power weapon and can forceweapon (do get +1 attack for 2 fists though). The thunderhammer however can get up to str 10 (minus an attack). The doomfists are str 6 hits. With hammer hand they can get up to str 7 but cannot force weapon you. Sword is also just str 6 base but reroll everything. See GK FAQ for additional details. (yes, it's been officially FAQ'ed already)

Considering they [Nemesis Doomfists] wound on a 3+ and are Force Weapons, the point is almost moot anyway.

sudojoe wrote:Actually unless they take the thunder hammer, they just have doom fists which are just nemesis weapons. i.e. power weapon and can forceweapon (do get +1 attack for 2 fists though). The thunderhammer however can get up to str 10 (minus an attack). The doomfists are str 6 hits. With hammer hand they can get up to str 7 but cannot force weapon you. Sword is also just str 6 base but reroll everything. See GK FAQ for additional details. (yes, it's been officially FAQ'ed already)

I love what you're saying, and I hope it's true. I thought that:
a) Dreadnights were armed with two Nemesis Doomfists (GK p. 34)
b) Nemesis Doomfists count as Dreadnought Close Combat Weapons (GK p. 54)
c) A Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon doubles the user's strength in close combat (BRB p. 73)

As a necron player, I'd love to be wrong (which is highly likely, given I'm new to 40k).

DexKivuli wrote:
c) A Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon doubles the user's strength in close combat (BRB p. 73) for walkers

Red is mine. This is confirmed in GK FAQ, so NDK has only S6 with the fists. BTW, he can force weapon you with Hammer and Greatsword too, they're both Nemesis weapons.

DexKivuli wrote:

I'm inclined to agree with Sasori here. I'm reluctant to throw an O'Lord on foot at the D'Knight, because then there's the threat of instant death (D'nought CCW, S10). Given that the odds are already favouring the GK, I'm reluctant to rely on the Mind Shackle to succeed (mathammer gives me a 50% change of beating Ld10 on 3D6). Especially considering that I don't run Phase Shifters (I think the 45pts is better spent elsewhere).

But if I'm feeling particularly risk-loving, it's always an option (and I'd be lying if I said I'd never consider it).

I'm not even all that into jumping my overlords out all the time. I tend not to like to play recklessly and like to keep my advantages. I'll say that there are an awful lot of ways to hit something with a warscythe other than walking an overlord into it, and there are quite a few that cannot be picked out of a squad or have 6 toughness on their own. A necron also benefits from being partially instant death proof when it is in a squad. Shackles will hopefully be adding to your pseudo invulnerable save.

Necrons tend to have to move away from Internet standard optimal choices to field more shackles or real hard cc units (wraiths are durable and ubiquitous, but outside of multi charges are not the hardest). This might be a fun learning experience though,because such units can really kick butt and make your game completely different.


More ideas:
Death marks. Mc or rock hunters. In multiples these guys are gimmicky but dependable. Especially in scythes.
Lychguards and lord. Seems like about as good as we get for terrifying countercharge units.
2 lords 8 warriors in an ark. It's a really meaty and killy scoring unit. You'll want to start playing around it more though.
2 wraith units a spyder unit and a scarab unit. Fast attack full of good stuff and a delayed punch for your wraiths to benefit from. Plus added synergy of psychic protection, faster scarabs and more scarab wounds.
Lastly destroyers arent all that bad, will never be engaged by the damn thing and are a pain to devote fire to killing when in small squads. Preferred enemy ought to be getting better soon on top of that so you may want to pick up a couple.

Oh ya! Destroyer lords are alright if you don't love sweep attacks as much as I do.

C'Tan stack up against them pretty well, even without any extra CC goodness (gaze, time, etc).

Wraiths+DLord works pretty swimmingly as well.

As another mentioned, throwing some scarabs at them first can make them a dead MC walking.

Triarch Praetorians could be particularly nasty in two weeks assuming the JI first strike works with full CC weapon attributes (rend/entropic for the VBs)

Don't sleep on deathmarks...

People don't play them often, but well supported by the right royals and they can be a stellar anti-deathstar/MC squad.

Though my 'tight' necron army doesn't include them, I often get sucked into these big 2500 point fights... and I'd be remiss if I didn't have a maxed squad of deathmarks at the ready to rip apart those hard targets.

A harp would be able to take out the Dreadknight's armor wouldn't it?

Isn't it AP2?

Think its AP 5? It's definitely not AP 2, would be amazing though.


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junk wrote:Don't sleep on deathmarks...

People don't play them often, but well supported by the right royals and they can be a stellar anti-deathstar/MC squad.

Though my 'tight' necron army doesn't include them, I often get sucked into these big 2500 point fights... and I'd be remiss if I didn't have a maxed squad of deathmarks at the ready to rip apart those hard targets.

Fair point Junk, Rending will account for a decent chunk of wounds by itself, and if so desired the 2+ will make him have to sweat through a bunch of die rolls. DMs are going to be pretty nasty in 6th as well if all the birdies are to be believed.