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In North Korea, learning to hate US starts early


PYONGYANG, North Korea – A framed poster on the wall of a kindergarten classroom shows bright-eyed children brandishing rifles and bayonets as they attack a hapless American soldier, his face bandaged and blood spurting from his mouth.

"We love playing military games knocking down the American bastards," reads the slogan printed across the top. Another poster depicts an American with a noose around his neck. "Let's wipe out the U.S. imperialists," it instructs.

For North Koreans, the systematic indoctrination of anti-Americanism starts as early as kindergarten and is as much a part of the curriculum as learning to count.

Toy pistols, rifles and tanks sit lined up in neat rows on shelves. The school principal pulls out a dummy of an American soldier with a beaked nose and straw-colored hair and explains that the students beat him with batons or pelt him with stones — a favorite schoolyard game, she says.

For a moment, she is sheepish as she takes three journalists from The Associated Press, including an American, past the anti-U.S. posters. But Yun Song Sil is not shy about the message.

"Our children learn from an early age about the American bastards," she says, tossing off a phrase so common here that it is considered an acceptable way to refer to Americans.

North Korean students learn that their country has had two main enemies: the Japanese, who colonized Korea from 1910 to 1945, and the U.S., which fought against North Korea during the 1950-53 Korean War.

They are told that North Korea's defense against outside forces — particularly the U.S., which has more than 28,000 soldiers stationed in South Korea — remains the backbone of the country's foreign policy.

And they are bred to seek revenge, even as their government professes to want peace with the United States.

"They tell their people there can be no reconciliation with the United States," says American scholar Brian Myers, who dissected North Korean propaganda in his 2010 book "The Cleanest Race: How North Koreans See Themselves and Why It Matters." ''They make it very clear to the masses that this hate will last forever."

In recent years, state propaganda has shifted away from the virulent anti-American slogans of the past and has instead emphasized building up the economy. On the streets of Pyongyang, anti-American posters have largely given way to images of soldiers in helmets and workers in factories.

But the posters and curricula at kindergartens across North Korea remain unchanged. One glimpse inside a school, and it's clear that despite U.S.-North Korean diplomacy behind closed doors, 4-year-olds are still being taught that the "Yankee imperialists" are North Korea's worst enemy.

At the Kaeson Kindergarten in central Pyongyang, one of several schools visited by the AP, U.S. soldiers are depicted as cruel, ghoulish barbarians with big noses and fiendish eyes. Teeth bared, they brand prisoners with hot irons, set wild dogs on women and wrench out a girl's teeth with pliers. One drawing shows an American soldier crushing a girl with his boot, blood pouring from her mouth, her eyes wild with fear and pain.

"The American imperialists and Japanese militarism are the sworn enemies of the North Korean people," reads a quote from late leader Kim Jong Il affixed to the top of one wall in a large room devoted to anti-U.S. education.

"The main theme of anti-American propaganda is not 'We must be ready for an attack' but 'We must be ready for revenge,'" Myers says. "People are being whipped up to hate the United States on the basis of past actions."

The Americans also are portrayed with nuclear symbols on their helmets and uniforms, a reference to the North Korean insistence that the U.S. poses an atomic threat to the region. An undated poster in French is dotted with places in South Korea where missiles and fighter jets purportedly were kept.

The U.S. denies having nuclear weapons in Korea.

The North cites the presence of U.S. soldiers in South Korea, as well as the alleged nuclear threat, as key reasons behind its drive to build atomic weapons in defiance of U.N. Security Council resolutions designed to hobble its nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

As disarmament discussions continue in fits and starts, the message in classrooms across the country remains the same: North Korea needs its rockets, bombs and missiles and is proud of its atomic arsenal.

Kaeson Kindergarten is a model school. In the mornings, the children line up for calisthenics and to sing patriotic songs, and at lunchtime they are fed rice, fish and tofu, according to the principal. They learn to sing, dance and ride unicycles, and at 4 p.m. they get a snack and soy milk.

History lessons include tales about Kim Jong Il's childhood, life under Japanese occupation and the Korean War.

"First, we start by teaching that the American imperialists started the war," said soft-spoken schoolteacher Jon Chun Yong, citing the North Korean version of how the war began.

"From that time on, the tragedy emerged by which our nation was divided in two," said Jon, who has taught at the kindergarten for 15 years. "Since then, our people had to endure the pain of living divided for a long half-century."

Outside North Korea, history books tell a different story. Western textbooks say that two years after North and South Korea declared themselves separate republics, North Korean troops marched into South Korean capital, Seoul, on the morning of June 25, 1950. U.S.-led United Nations and South Korean forces fought communist North Korean troops backed by Chinese soldiers in a three-year battle for control of the peninsula. The U.S. and North Korea finally called a truce in 1953, and Korea remains divided to this day.

At the Kaeson Kindergarten, children sit hunched over sheets of drawing paper clutching pastel crayons. One girl has drawn a school of bright blue fish; the boy next to her has covered his paper with tanks.

Another boy depicts a whole battlefield: a North Korean plane dropping bombs on dead, bloodied American soldiers, as well as grenades and tanks. In a final flourish, he adds the name of the South Korean president to the tableau, muttering the name under his breath as he labors over the letters.

The North Korean hate campaign generally does not include South Koreans, who are portrayed as puppets of the U.S. However, in recent months, it has come to encompass South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, whose tough policies toward the North have enraged its leaders as well as the South's conservative media.

The best of the children's work is pinned up on a board: One kindergartner used color pencils to draw a boy in a blue cap attacking a midget American soldier with a studded club. Another drawing depicts North Korean fighter jets dropping bombs on American soldiers trapped in flames. In a third, a man wearing a helmet marked "U.S." in English is on his knees begging for mercy as he is pummeled on the head with a stick.

The children run around beating up mock American soldiers and planes, Jon said. The worst schoolyard taunt is to call someone "miguk nom" — "American bastard."

The games culminate every year on International Children's Day on June 1. Across the nation, students convene en masse, dressed in military uniforms and armed with toy rifles and bayonets. At one such celebration in Pyongyang this month, students took turns charging dummies of U.S. soldiers with their weapons.

Still, like children everywhere, the littlest North Koreans show more fascination than fear when they encounter the rare American in Pyongyang, invariably waving and calling out "Hello!" in English.

And spotted among the mourners following Kim Jong Il's death in December was a boy who clearly had no problem with a Yankee of a different kind. Perched on his head was a blue knit cap with the New York Yankees logo from a distinctly American sport: baseball.


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I knew about the art, but I had no clue about how violent their rhetoric is.








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Ok have fun hating us North Korea, We will be in our hot tub sipping imported beer.
Seriously? This is ridiculous. These kids probably have no idea what it means, They just know "The word American is bad, we hate it"

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Source of this article and why they're bothering to pull up this old story again for sensationalism? The DPRK's nuts, if your not Korean or Chinese they'll find a reason to burn you on a pyre. Ok, invasions over oil and to tear down governments that we set up a couple of decades ago leaves bad tastes in a lot of people's mouths, but if Nato ever gets an excuse to unify the two countries, or at least take down the dictatorship in North Korea, I don't think we'd be seeing the same outcry as the Iraq of Afghanistan wars have had. Of course little North Korea is going to stay the way it is without internal revolution or if China stops supporting them, so its going to be a while yet until we stop hearing about them. =/ They're all talk when it comes to launching their holy wars though, the South does have a lot of a lot of Nato support.

At least the BBC has a rather attractive news correspondent for Seoul though, so its always neat whenever things do heat up over there (otherwise she's talking about the slave labor industry that is K Pop). ^^'
   
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Wow. I wonder how the Germans feel about how we treated them in the previous war. Oh yea, they make a gak load of money off us. Guess they made out just fine, so whats North Koreas problem? Funny thing is, thats not even CLOSE to what our troops look like today, so maybe thats a good thing, incase we need to invade again

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That's ok, they can hate America as much as they want. Won't matter us livin in 'Merika.

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Sounds kind of like some of the American anti-Soviet propaganda of the cold war...

   
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SilverMK2 wrote:Sounds kind of like some of the American anti-Soviet propaganda of the cold war...


It also sounds like some of the Soviet anti-American propaganda of the Cold War.

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Ahtman wrote:
SilverMK2 wrote:Sounds kind of like some of the American anti-Soviet propaganda of the cold war...


It also sounds like some of the Soviet anti-American propaganda of the Cold War.


Indeed, although the point here is that Americaland isn't exactly a shining beacon of tolerance... I'm sure I can find some pretty horrific English anti-Germany WW2 propaganda as well; the point being that pretty much every country has at some point in the past demonised another race/country.

   
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Kovnik Obama wrote:I knew about the art, but I had no clue about how violent their rhetoric is.




Why does that american soldier have a German mp38

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and why does the soldier in the background look asian?

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youbedead wrote:Why does that american soldier have a German mp38


That was my first thought as well.
North Korea is what? The size of Vermont? And their precious leader dropped dead a few months back.

My imperialist nature(which isn't to say "American" nature, I'm a self described imperialist by choice) makes me want to just go do an all out land invasion and take over. But NOOOOOO. The stupid UN and all these hippies here in the US would flip their gak if we did that.

My views on threats to national security are simple: eliminate them. Without violence is preferable but, to me, threats need to be dealt with, harshly if necessary. I have no ill will towards people of other nations if everyone is happy with being peaceful. But when you raise your kids to take revenge on a war from 60 years ago, and you are currently trying to build up a nuclear arsenal, then I'm gonna have to step in and put some people in their place.

Now don't get me wrong. I don't think the US should be the world police. I don't think we should be going in to other countries to restructure their governments so that they mimic ours. But I think all real threats should be dealt with. And I believe that the US shouldn't strong arm other countries into playing ball either. Our military strength should be strictly for use in defending the country from threats, not used as a threat to get what we want.

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youbedead wrote:
Kovnik Obama wrote:I knew about the art, but I had no clue about how violent their rhetoric is.




Why does that american soldier have a German mp38

Like tons of Korean stuff, its direct edit over someone else's existing work xD

so probably a ww2 anti Natzi poster with photoshop over it.

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Aerethan wrote:

South Korea is what? The size of Vermont? And their precious leader dropped dead a few months back.



Pssst.... South Korea are the good guys. This is North Korea we're talking about.

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hotsauceman1 wrote: This is ridiculous. These kids probably have no idea what it means, They just know "The word American is bad, we hate it"


Sort of how the term "muslim" is treated here in the states...

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Jihadin wrote:Its a M3 Grease Gun

and it might be a redention of a "Katusa"...acro for
Korean Assigned To US Army


So it is, makes more sense.

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hotsauceman1 wrote: This is ridiculous. These kids probably have no idea what it means, They just know "The word American is bad, we hate it"


Sort of how the term "muslim" is treated here in the states...


So you hate the word muslims I take it? I mean, you are in the states as well. We aren't talking about a minority in North Korea, but full on state sponsored hate and indoctrination. The average American school doesn't teach hatred of Islam because of a Federal, or even State, mandate to.

Americaland isn't exactly a shining beacon of tolerance


Find somewhere in the thread that the USA was proclaimed to be without flaw. I'm not sure that becuase the US or the UK aren't utopias, unblemished from sin, that they are the same as living in North Korea.

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RatBot wrote:
Aerethan wrote:

South Korea is what? The size of Vermont? And their precious leader dropped dead a few months back.



Pssst.... South Korea are the good guys. This is North Korea we're talking about.


Totally missed that. My bad. They're both about the same size anyway >.>

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Ahtman wrote:Find somewhere in the thread that the USA was proclaimed to be without flaw. I'm not sure that becuase the US or the UK aren't utopias, unblemished from sin, that they are the same as living in North Korea.


Oh come on, that entire article is designed to stir up Americans in (un)righteous indignation; the problem with that being that it was not all that long ago that the US was doing pretty much the same thing. And please find somewhere in the thread where I said that because there are certain similarities the UK/US are the same as NK in every way...

   
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Its almost as if countries treat their enemies like enemies. Who'd have thunk it?

   
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Is that an experimental North Korean Segway?

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SilverMK2 wrote:Oh come on, that entire article is designed to stir up Americans in (un)righteous indignation


So you thought you could introduce your own sense of (un)righteous indignation to the thread by insulting huge swaths of people by indicting them as being intolerant in a similar nationwide, state sponsored manner as North Korea currently does?

SilverMK2 wrote:And please find somewhere in the thread where I said that because there are certain similarities the UK/US are the same as NK in every way...


You equated the US propaganda from the Cold War Era to current North Korean propaganda, then have made comments that the US is no better. Of course, in doing so you reveal a streak of hypocrisy, because if we use your metric the UK isn't really any better either. It isn't as if the UK has never used propaganda, or held outdated attitudes, either. Before you decide it is your job to tell a whole country that they are just terrible people for their past, you may want to take yours into consideration as well. We've all got our dark moments, but to sit there are point fingers at others is disingenuous and unnecessary, unless the point was to try and be tfg and ruffle feathers.


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Kilkrazy wrote:Is that an experimental North Korean Segway?


It allows you to exercise while you walk to work. What a time saver!

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youbedead wrote:
Why does that american soldier have a German mp38


That's an M3.

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Ahtman wrote:So you thought you could introduce your own sense of (un)righteous indignation to the thread by insulting huge swaths of people by indicting them as being intolerant in a similar nationwide, state sponsored manner as North Korea currently does?


Go back and read my original comment; "Sounds kind of like some of the American anti-Soviet propaganda of the cold war... "

Drawing a parallel is not insulting people, nor introducing indignation.

You equated the US propaganda from the Cold War Era to current North Korean propaganda, then have made comments that the US is no better. Of course, in doing so you reveal a streak of hypocrisy, because if we use your metric the UK isn't really any better either. It isn't as if the UK has never used propaganda, or held outdated attitudes, either.


And indeed, I mentioned that I am sure I could go and find examples of UK posters decrying the evils of various people (such as the Germans in WW2). Hell, look at the general attitude of the UK towards most of europe

Before you decide it is your job to tell a whole country that they are just terrible people for their past, you may want to take yours into consideration as well.


Haha, really?

We've all got our dark moments, but to sit there are point fingers at others is disingenuous and unnecessary, unless the point was to try and be tfg and ruffle feathers.


"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - The tone of the article, to me, is such as to try and cause patriotic chest beating over the injustice of people treating "America" this way, while completely ignoring relatively recent history, certainly within living memory of many millions of Americans. The only thing that is disingenuous and unnecessary here is the article itself, designed entirely to (be) "TFG and ruffle feathers".

   
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SilverMK2 wrote:
Drawing a parallel is not insulting people, nor introducing indignation.


Not by necessity, but all 3 can be true simultaneously.

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SilverMK2 wrote:Drawing a parallel is not insulting people, nor introducing indignation.


You are equating 50 year old American attitudes toward the Soviet Union to modern day North Korean attitudes the US, and going on to surmise that means that the US shouldn't be able to have news stories that tell people what life is like in North Korea. It is like a sad bit of geo-political relativism at work.

SilverMK2 wrote:Haha, really?


Yeah really. Certainly your personal arrogance is without blemish, but your national history is at least on par with the United States. I'm willing to admit that our countries have both highs and lows instead of pretending their are only highs. I think both the UK and the US are both very good countries, but I don't pretend they are perfect, and I certainly don't pretend one has the moral high ground by mere virtue of not being the other.

SilverMK2 wrote:"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"


You might take that more to heart yourself. You got so caught up in the opportunity to tell others that they have a past that you missed the actual point of the article. Even after all the indoctrination at the hands of the state, the kid at the end is still wearing a Yankees cap. It isn't about chest thumping, it is about change in one of the most dangerous countries on the planet, which is good for everyone, not just Americans.

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