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Squats are back in the fluff and not wiped out. Their now classed as a sub-human but still going strong and part of IoM.

Where did you read this?

page 405

Appendix one of the 6th ed rulebook under abhumans. I also found this an interesting little mention. (Pun intended)

I know
Rattlings
Ogryn
Squats
beastmen

but anyone know anything about

Troths
Longshanks
Pelagers
Felinids
Neandors

Steel Angel wrote:Felinids

Catgirls? In my 40k?

Now I want to see what happens when you put a regiment of Felinid Imperial Guard next to a Space Wolf Company.

Well, technically, squats were never gone from the fluff. They were just made extinct.
Extinct =/= gone from the fluff.
The information on pg406 does not say they are still living; it just acknowledges that they exist or had existed at some point.
Until more information is available, we cannot say for certain that Squats are "back".

well does say other then beastmen the others are going strong

Steel Angel wrote:well does say other then beastmen the others are going strong

Where do you see that? I don't see that anywhere.

bottom of paragraph."the remaining are present across the Iom. plentful and common.in some regions in others not so much"

So basicly their just not all over

Steel Angel wrote:bottom of paragraph."the remaining are present across the Iom. plentful and common.in some regions in others not so much"

So basicly their just not all over

I am not sure if that refers to squats. I think it refers more to any other abhuman breed that was not listed beforehand.
And even then, it does specify squats. I read it as "Squats are among the few classified breeds of abhumans", not "Squats are still alive, and were totally not eaten by tyranids."

If you read the ENTIRE entry it clearly reads that squats are included in "the remaining fifteen abhuman races".

They exist. Period.

there ay 73 adhuman tpyes 46 are list as extint. 12 tpyes are unknow there are 15 remianing which squats are part of.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Well, technically, squats were never gone from the fluff. They were just made extinct.
Extinct =/= gone from the fluff.
The information on pg406 does not say they are still living; it just acknowledges that they exist or had existed at some point.
Until more information is available, we cannot say for certain that Squats are "back".

That page suggests very heavily that the species listed there are "currently" in existence, not just "existed at one time". And Squats were never extinct. Their homeworlds were just eaten by Tyranids. However, the Squats as a race were space faring and thus spread across the galaxy in moderate numbers. The demise of the homeworlds was just the way of retiring the army since the "faction" was technically extinct, not the race.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Well, technically, squats were never gone from the fluff. They were just made extinct.
Extinct =/= gone from the fluff.
The information on pg406 does not say they are still living; it just acknowledges that they exist or had existed at some point.
Until more information is available, we cannot say for certain that Squats are "back".

That page suggests very heavily that the species listed there are "currently" in existence, not just "existed at one time". And Squats were never extinct. Their homeworlds were just eaten by Tyranids. However, the Squats as a race were space faring and thus spread across the galaxy in moderate numbers. The demise of the homeworlds was just the way of retiring the army since the "faction" was technically extinct, not the race.

Oh really? I was under the impression that the entire race was an Golgotha when it was consumed.
You know, as part of a "everyone defend the homeworld" sort of thing.

Not a long-term plan by GW. The writers just wanted names for Abhumans and got tired of making up new ones.

Squats had more then one homeworld


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interesting tidbit thunderfire cannon was invented by squats.

Steel Angel wrote:interesting tidbit thunderfire cannon was invented by squats.

This made me laugh. Space Dwarves still make big guns.

I would guess that GW have decided that after all the complaining, and one to many arguments about "you can't use your squats as count as because they were all eaten" by TFG's they have decided that for the sake of a few words they can put them in the fluff and make no further mention of them.

This lets people use OOP minis as "official" count as and can convert and make stuff for there force without people trying to tell them they can't use it, but I bet they won't make get a codex or any new minis (although it is possible that they will come back as part of Tau, but I doubt it).

Interesting, they may be trying to differentiate the Demiurg with the squats. In effect, acknowledging that the Squats exist while simultaneously releasing the 'new' race.

Steve steveson wrote:I would guess that GW have decided that after all the complaining, and one to many arguments about "you can't use your squats as count as because they were all eaten" by TFG's they have decided that for the sake of a few words they can put them in the fluff and make no further mention of them.

This lets people use OOP minis as "official" count as and can convert and make stuff for there force without people trying to tell them they can't use it, but I bet they won't make get a codex or any new minis (although it is possible that they will come back as part of Tau, but I doubt it).

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Looks like we will be seeing a few more Squat themed IG armies then.

Imagine that.

Chaos Marine/Tyrannid/Ork/Eldar etc: [is shot and killed]

Chaos Marine/Tyrannid/Ork/Eldar etc #2: what was that? I cant see anythi-

Squat: Look Down and you may not be dead.

--OR--

A war of the feudal kind - Grots vs Squats.

Lynata wrote:

Steel Angel wrote:Felinids

Catgirls? In my 40k?

Now I want to see what happens when you put a regiment of Felinid Imperial Guard next to a Space Wolf Company.

Spoiler:

Catgirls...somehow, I cannot imagine one of those in an Imperial Guard outfit. 6th Edition reeks of Ward...if it smells like a sump rat and squeeks like a sump rat...

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Well, technically, squats were never gone from the fluff. They were just made extinct.
Extinct =/= gone from the fluff.
The information on pg406 does not say they are still living; it just acknowledges that they exist or had existed at some point.
Until more information is available, we cannot say for certain that Squats are "back".

That page suggests very heavily that the species listed there are "currently" in existence, not just "existed at one time". And Squats were never extinct. Their homeworlds were just eaten by Tyranids. However, the Squats as a race were space faring and thus spread across the galaxy in moderate numbers. The demise of the homeworlds was just the way of retiring the army since the "faction" was technically extinct, not the race.

This is pretty accurate. Even if squats only had one home world which was devoured, at the time of the tyranid invasion they would have had multiple regiments spread out across the galaxy working with other guard units. It is more a case of squats becoming an endangered species instead of becoming completely extinct. Further, with the death of their home world, they may have chosen to settle on other imperial worlds. However, without a home world they would no longer have to be part of the imperial tithe, and as a result there would no longer be any squat armies.

I want cat girl models Although as they are limited ot one planet not very common:

Mr Morden wrote:I want cat girl models Although as they are limited ot one planet not very common:

Feel free...thing is, we don't have an official image yet, and I doubt anime-style catgirls are exactly 40k material.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I am not sure if that refers to squats. I think it refers more to any other abhuman breed that was not listed beforehand.
And even then, it does specify squats. I read it as "Squats are among the few classified breeds of abhumans", not "Squats are still alive, and were totally not eaten by tyranids."

Did you see this bit CthulusSpy?

Steve Stevenson wrote:I would guess that GW have decided that after all the complaining, and one to many arguments about "you can't use your squats as count as because they were all eaten" by TFG's they have decided that for the sake of a few words they can put them in the fluff and make no further mention of them.

This lets people use OOP minis as "official" count as and can convert and make stuff for there force without people trying to tell them they can't use it, but I bet they won't make get a codex or any new minis (although it is possible that they will come back as part of Tau, but I doubt it).

I think this is probably it. Younger players won't know about it, but the amount of 'anti-squat' rhetoric that used to go on around the time of 3rd edition was almost unbearable. As you say you get your usual 'TFG', who can't possibly have their own opinion or judgement, and so would just go along with GW's official line of cutting the Squats out of the universe. The mention of 'Squat' was banned on the GW forums (there was even a specific rule for it ), and there was only a single fan letter in WD - the only official mention of what happened to the Squats, prior to Jervis' letter regarding them - and that letter was the most condescending comment possible, something along the lines of "they were a terrible concept with poor models, go and buy one of other, newer and much better model ranges" (seriously!)

This was why about ten years ago or more I chose a picture of a Squat as my avatar, although only really use it now out of habit. It was a deliberately facetious jab at GW, but also a middle finger to all the meat-heads who used to just laugh at my models and try to stop me playing with them (I still carry the scars ). Yes there were idiots who gave the whole 'death of the squats' a bad name, but there were a hell of a lot more players who just felt alienated by what GW had done, and were victim to the sycophants who just changed their conception of the GW universe to whatever GW told them to do.

The squats will never return in their previous form, and to be honest the way the game has changed over the years that is a good thing. However, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we get some other kind of 'Dwarf in Space', which shares some of the tropes of the fantasy dwarf, perhaps in the form of the Demiurg.

Pacific wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I am not sure if that refers to squats. I think it refers more to any other abhuman breed that was not listed beforehand.
And even then, it does specify squats. I read it as "Squats are among the few classified breeds of abhumans", not "Squats are still alive, and were totally not eaten by tyranids."

Did you see this bit CthulusSpy?

Steve steveson wrote:I would guess that GW have decided that after all the complaining, and one to many arguments about "you can't use your squats as count as because they were all eaten" by TFG's they have decided that for the sake of a few words they can put them in the fluff and make no further mention of them.

This lets people use OOP minis as "official" count as and can convert and make stuff for there force without people trying to tell them they can't use it, but I bet they won't make get a codex or any new minis (although it is possible that they will come back as part of Tau, but I doubt it).

Actually, it was still always legal to use the Squat minis. Jervis even said it in his bit where he "once and for alled" the Squats that players were still welcome to use them. Did people encounter situations where they weren't legal?

As far as them coming back, I don't expect to see a Codex for them. We might see a new model or two that they make for fun, probably for IGuard.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Steve steveson wrote:I would guess that GW have decided that after all the complaining, and one to many arguments about "you can't use your squats as count as because they were all eaten" by TFG's they have decided that for the sake of a few words they can put them in the fluff and make no further mention of them.

This lets people use OOP minis as "official" count as and can convert and make stuff for there force without people trying to tell them they can't use it, but I bet they won't make get a codex or any new minis (although it is possible that they will come back as part of Tau, but I doubt it).

Actually, it was still always legal to use the Squat minis. Jervis even said it in his bit where he "once and for alled" the Squats that players were still welcome to use them. Did people encounter situations where they weren't legal?

As far as them coming back, I don't expect to see a Codex for them. We might see a new model or two that they make for fun, probably for IGuard.

I don't think anyone has ever been told they cannot use them, just that there are allot of TFG's around who will complain about fluff and just be a pain in the arse. Its probably also a little nod from the writter to the older players. Most younger players will just skip over the abhuman list but to those in the know...