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I was recently browsing Ebay.co.uk, looking for anyone selling their old 5th edition IG armies. As I waded through page after page, I stumbled across an eye-popping wonder

Unreleased Games-Workshop Resin Kasrkin Stormtroopers
The links featured below go to the products sold by 'bridgend_steve':

Kasrkin Stormtrooper Throwing Grenade
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unreleased-WH-40k-Imperial-Guard-Kasrkin-Trooper-Juan-Diaz-28mm-resin-figure-/350579457323?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item51a029fd2b#ht_713wt_1270

Kasrkin Stormtrooper w/ Heavy Bolter
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unreleased-WH-40k-Imperial-Guard-Kasrkin-Trooper-Juan-Diaz-28mm-resin-figure-2-/251101855811?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item3a76d64043#ht_713wt_1270

A Sergeant w/ Shotgun was also for sale but I think it has been sold, as it no longer present on the seller's page.
It looks like the products only have a couple of days left, so I would take a look while you still have time.

I doubt that they are unreleased models... more likely sculpts or conversions from someone quite good at modeling.

Finecast. Ugh.

I don't see GW misspelling "Kasrkin" as "Ksarkin"...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I don't see GW misspelling "Kasrkin" as "Ksarkin"...

This.

Lol wut?
They're shown without their boxes or other stuff.
If a person was just going to sell them, why bother unboxing?

Probably home-sculpted.


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Also: £75 for one model !?

Wrakkar wrote:Lol wut?
They're shown without their boxes or other stuff.
If a person was just going to sell them, why bother unboxing?

Probably home-sculpted.

I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the concept of 'unreleased'. That would mean there never were boxes because they were never for sale and he got them from some internal source.

That being said, they are probably not real. That typo is pretty damning.

The grenade throwing one is very, very obviously a conversion that a guy cast.

The heavy bolter very likely is too. I can say this with special certainty as storm troopers can't take heavy bolters, so it would make no sense for GW to release one.

Really, it looks like a converted Harker, as that's a catachan heavy bolter.

Why does the HB "Karskin" say CADiAN on the tab?

Not really "unreleased"

Ailaros wrote:
The heavy bolter very likely is too. I can say this with special certainty as storm troopers can't take heavy bolters, so it would make no sense for GW to release one.

But that goes to the guy's advantage. After all, they didn't release him.

I doubt that they are unreleased models... more likely sculpts or conversions from someone quite good at modeling.

It states in the name that these were sculpted by Juan Diaz. He is a GW sculptor that also created the likes of the Space Marine Terminator Chaplain. The Stormtroopers may have been models that were on the drawing board but never found their way onto the shelves, at the time of the latest IG Codex release. To be honest, I'm unsure. You always have to take things like this with a pinch of salt.

Finecast. Ugh.

... I know the feeling!

Except they're obviously not finecast since finecast came years after these were proported to be sculpted.

Don't let that stop the unreasoning hate though.

They often did resin "proofs" of their models before casting the production range.

So it being resin and not metal is not that big an issue.

It's also a storm bolter NOT a heavy bolter. SM terminator scale SB which DOES look that big on a cadian.

Maybe it was jsut a mis-print and they did spell karskin incorrectly as "ksarkin"

It's also a storm bolter NOT a heavy bolter. SM terminator scale SB which DOES look that big on a cadian.

Ugh. Of course it's a Storm Bolter. Chances are, if it was a Heavy Bolter, it would have to look similar to that present in the Heavy Weapons teams, and we only know there are three people that can carry one without a tripod: Chuck Norris, Rambo & Iron Hand Straken.

Joshua Von Wolkestadt wrote:

I doubt that they are unreleased models... more likely sculpts or conversions from someone quite good at modeling.

It states in the name that these were sculpted by Juan Diaz. He is a GW sculptor that also created the likes of the Space Marine Terminator Chaplain. The Stormtroopers may have been models that were on the drawing board but never found their way onto the shelves, at the time of the latest IG Codex release. To be honest, I'm unsure. You always have to take things like this with a pinch of salt.

Finecast. Ugh.

... I know the feeling!

They are fakes.

Simply put?

Brian Nelson did the Kasrkin. And looking at the "heavy bolter" model, it is a conversion using the Kasrkin Veteran Sergeant as the basis.

The lazy git didn't even file off the sergeant stripes on the leg plate.

And looking at it compared to the "normal" Veteran Sergeant, what has been done:

The upper body of a Kasrkin Special Weapon operator has been used(the pose reminds me of the flamer operator, and the leather strap location seems to match that).
The head was swapped for the Kasrkin Veteran Sergeant head.
The helmet was (likely) moved from the left side of the body to the right side to cover what would be the biggest part where you'd see a strange issue.
The backpack is a standard Kasrkin backpack, with a hole cut into it and a Heavy Bolter Magazine from the Scout Heavy Bolter put inside.
The gun is a Storm Bolter from the Space Marine vehicle sprues attached to the trigger spoon from the Scout Heavy Bolter. It then was aligned in such a way that it would attach to the already existing leather straps.

Brian Nelson did the Kasrkin. And looking at the "heavy bolter" model, it is a conversion using the Kasrkin Veteran Sergeant as the basis.

The lazy git didn't even file off the sergeant stripes on the leg plate.

... Wow. I can't believe I missed them Sergeant Stripes! I think I'm starting to see sense now, it was obviously the initial daze that blurred my vision.
It's nice to see some new concepts out there, but now we know that they are most likely fakes .... I FEEL SORRY FOR WHOEVER IS PAYING THOSE OUTRAGEOUS PRICES!

Report him to ebay?
Not only is it fake, he's profiting off GW's intellectual copyright. That's slightly illegal

Testify wrote:Report him to ebay?
Not only is it fake, he's profiting off GW's intellectual copyright. That's slightly illegal

Not just to eBay.

Report him to GW.

Not just to eBay.

Report him to GW.

Well said ... but, ermm, how do I do that? Email?

Look under GW's "Legal" tab on their website.

They have an email address and contact information.

Look under GW's "Legal" tab on their website.

They have an email address and contact information.

Thanks. I may have to report this case tomorrow by phone.
I didn't really expect this thread to conclude in such a way!

Fakes. Self cast items. Report this guy.

Joshua Von Wolkestadt wrote:

It's also a storm bolter NOT a heavy bolter. SM terminator scale SB which DOES look that big on a cadian.

Ugh. Of course it's a Storm Bolter.

It's clearly a kitbash, actually. The person took a catachan heavy bolter:



chopped off the very front and put a storm bolter head on it. Pretty minimal conversion work to get from one to the other.

pretre wrote:But that goes to the guy's advantage. After all, they didn't release him.

My point was that GW didn't make this mini in the first place. GW wouldn't make a mini for which there were no rules. And by wouldn't make, I mean, wouldn't pay to have sculpted, not would have sculpted and then not released.

It's just some nice conversion work that's been cast, not some secret gem of GW's lost lore.

That heavy bolter is literally half of the stormbolter from the Space Marine Rhino sprue, ammo box and all.


So yeah, nice conversions that a dude is trying to sell for crazy money. Can't even spell Kasrkin right, or get the base tabs consistent between the two models - one being "KSARKIN" and the other Cadian.

Ailaros wrote:

Joshua Von Wolkestadt wrote:

It's also a storm bolter NOT a heavy bolter. SM terminator scale SB which DOES look that big on a cadian.

Ugh. Of course it's a Storm Bolter.

It's clearly a kitbash, actually. The person took a catachan heavy bolter:



chopped off the very front and put a storm bolter head on it. Pretty minimal conversion work to get from one to the other.

pretre wrote:But that goes to the guy's advantage. After all, they didn't release him.

My point was that GW didn't make this mini in the first place. GW wouldn't make a mini for which there were no rules. And by wouldn't make, I mean, wouldn't pay to have sculpted, not would have sculpted and then not released.

It's just some nice conversion work that's been cast, not some secret gem of GW's lost lore.

Yeah, I think we've unfortunately all come to realise this now. I'm going to report the case to GW by phone tomorrow and get things sorted out. I just feel utterly gob-smacked when I see how people are believing that it is a GW rarity, and then bidding for a selfcast miniature, priced at £75!!

Should be over and done with soon though. I thank everyone though who helped clarify the validity of the miniatures. Thank you.

If you look through his other items, there's a lot of dodgy looking listings, and he 'just so happens' to have a dozen or so unreleased resin 'masters' that he's selling! xD

It's also £75 + £7 shipping (for a single mini without the base). There's one that's over £100 including the shipping.

Let us know what happens when you contact GW.

I think you should hold off on reporting the guy unless you know for sure. I have seen pre-production minis like these before and they often have nothing or something very simple on the tab, like just cadian. Also remember back when these storm troopers came out you could give the Sgt a storm bolter, so that would explain why he has the stripes. The grenade guy might not be a conversion. There is a little more bend at the elbow then the standard cadian grenade arm and there is a glove. Plus there is more detail of the grenade that can be seen in the models hand. This guy could just have been an old employee that got his hands on some good stuff. I had friends back in the day that worked at the US headquarters and they got all kinds of goodies from the casting room. One guy I knew had two units of unreleased 5th ed Dark Executioners. If you look through his stuff he also has one of the unreleased Squat Cyber slayers. Personally I have only ever seen those in the hands of employees or people got them from employees. I don’t know for sure there are legit, but the guy does have good feedback. So I wouldn’t bash him unless you know for sure.

When someone have an miniature you didn't have and that you want it, report it to ebay. And to GW. And to the internet.

Juan Diaz is working from Spain. He sculpt LOT of miniatures, and lot of them aren't released. Like those kasrkin. They are real unreleased miniatures, there is an complete squad of 7-8? of them.
They aren't finecast. During the molding process, all metal miniatures are casted in resin. It's one of those resin casts.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I don't see GW misspelling "Kasrkin" as "Ksarkin"...

Actually says that at the bottom of my Kasrkin.