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I know that this thread will probably generate a lot of heated debate. I have been playing Warhammer 40k since Rogue Trader. I know Space Marines are the epitomy of WH40k and I know that they are not going anywhere, they are like GWs WH40k Mickey Mouse - how would the universe exist without them right . I think I would not have a problem with them as much if they weren't the emphasis for everything. Don't get me wrong I have a space wolf, Imperial Fist, and a Grey knight army (I have not played since the new codex). I am just at a point where I am sick of hearing about them. I would like to hear more about Xenos races, Chaos or other imperial forces (where'd those Squats go - they did develop Exo armour which became Terminator Armour after all ). Since third edition, I have not fielded my Space Marines and have returned to my first loves Eldar, Orks and explored new loves Tau, S.O.B. and IG. I am not saying what I am saying is right and that there should be a political movement to remove space marines... I am just saying I am sick of them dominating 40k and was just wondering if anyone else was too. I am sorry if I offended anyone as this was not my intention, I was just wondering where everyone else stood on the topic.... If you just want to post hateful things, please resist the urge, but otherwise I welcome comments on either side of the isle... Cheers all.

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:I am just at a point where I am sick of hearing about them.

You only hear what you listen to.

There is plenty of stuff about non-marines if you go looking for it.

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:I know that this thread will probably generate a lot of heated debate. I have been playing Warhammer 40k since Rogue Trader. I know Space Marines are the epitomy of WH40k and I know that they are not going anywhere, they are like GWs WH40k Mickey Mouse - how would the universe exist without them right . I think I would not have a problem with them as much if they weren't the emphasis for everything. Don't get me wrong I have a space wolf, Imperial Fist, and a Grey knight army (I have not played since the new codex). I am just at a point where I am sick of hearing about them. I would like to hear more about Xenos races, Chaos or other imperial forces (where'd those Squats go - they did develop Exo armour which became Terminator Armour after all ). Since third edition, I have not fielded my Space Marines and have returned to my first loves Eldar, Orks and explored new loves Tau, S.O.B. and IG. I am not saying what I am saying is right and that there should be a political movement to remove space marines... I am just saying I am sick of them dominating 40k and was just wondering if anyone else was too. I am sorry if I offended anyone as this was not my intention, I was just wondering where everyone else stood on the topic.... If you just want to post hateful things, please resist the urge, but otherwise I welcome comments on either side of the isle... Cheers all.

In place of thise thread you could have started one on..say the different orders of the SOB, and what people play and why...or...what type/planet does your IG come from, and do you think that effects your play.
then you would have that to read...I know i would follow those threads.

Ailaros wrote:

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:I am just at a point where I am sick of hearing about them.

You only hear what you listen to.

There is plenty of stuff about non-marines if you go looking for it.

Sure, I see what you're saying but why should he HAVE to look for it? Everything that isn't Spess muhrines go to the back of the line. I was a huge space marine fan before I actually played the game. I started the game with blood angels picked up a 2nd army of grey knights and now I own orks and daemons. I see what he's saying, they're everywhere and xenos are the red headed step children of 40k. That's like saying "if you don't want to listen to the bullhorn blowing in your ear stick a pencil in it"

You're choosing where you look. Choosing to look at space marine stuff and choosing to look at non-space-marine stuff isn't any different. You're not required to pay attention to anything space marines if you don't want to.

I just wish that some of the Xenos stuff was a little more in-depth.

The Imperium has incredibly fleshed out background, obviously due to them being central, but I wouldn't mind if some other stuff was added to.

Stuff like "Why don't the Warp Spiders and Shining Spears have Pheonix Lords?"

Ailaros is right, the stuff is out there if you look for it, but I just wish some of the stuff was more accessible for the xenos stuff, rather than being in an obscure novel or WD article.

Ailaros wrote:You're choosing where you look. Choosing to look at space marine stuff and choosing to look at non-space-marine stuff isn't any different. You're not required to pay attention to anything space marines if you don't want to.

lol again though, when MOst of the product and I'll even go one further and say IOM centered bulk of GW's items are so pinpoint about one certain aspect of the game for those of who us AREN'T looking for it can only find that particular item it's...for lack of a better term irritating. I'll go with another analogy "If you don't like the game, then quit" that's not what is being said and that's DEFINITELY not a valid argument for the side being taken....

Why dosn't the OP Start a Xenos thread instead of Bash Marines?

Anpu42 wrote:Why dosn't the OP Start a Xenos thread instead of Bash Marines?

It's cooler nowadays to hate.

Anpu42 wrote:Why dosn't the OP Start a Xenos thread instead of Bash Marines?

There was no bashing, he just said he would like to see more of other things, and that he is a Marine player as well

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:I know that this thread will probably generate a lot of heated debate. I have been playing Warhammer 40k since Rogue Trader. I know Space Marines are the epitomy of WH40k and I know that they are not going anywhere, they are like GWs WH40k Mickey Mouse - how would the universe exist without them right . I think I would not have a problem with them as much if they weren't the emphasis for everything. Don't get me wrong I have a space wolf, Imperial Fist, and a Grey knight army (I have not played since the new codex). I am just at a point where I am sick of hearing about them. I would like to hear more about Xenos races, Chaos or other imperial forces (where'd those Squats go - they did develop Exo armour which became Terminator Armour after all ). Since third edition, I have not fielded my Space Marines and have returned to my first loves Eldar, Orks and explored new loves Tau, S.O.B. and IG. I am not saying what I am saying is right and that there should be a political movement to remove space marines... I am just saying I am sick of them dominating 40k and was just wondering if anyone else was too. I am sorry if I offended anyone as this was not my intention, I was just wondering where everyone else stood on the topic.... If you just want to post hateful things, please resist the urge, but otherwise I welcome comments on either side of the isle... Cheers all.

You spelled epitome incorrectly...


Basically what Ailaros said.

I love the Imperium and their deep backstory, but I too wish the xenos gets a little more spotlight, and a lot more depth and story to them. If anything, it makes the conflict between IoM armies vs. Xenos armies more interesting and engaging, rather than another 'oh, another faceless horde of filthy xenos' for the Imperium to fight.

Eiluj The Farseer wrote: I am just at a point where I am sick of hearing about them.

I don't understand this part. If you don't want to hear about Marines, then don't read the Marine codex, don't read the Marine based Black Library novels, and skip over the Marine parts in the rulebook.

Problem solved.

Kaldor wrote:

I don't understand this part. If you don't want to hear about Marines, then don't read the Marine codex, don't read the Marine based Black Library novels, and skip over the Marine parts in the rulebook.

Problem solved.

I'll do you one better "Don't play the game." It is Marinehammer 40k after all.. More flavors of marine than Baskin-Robbins has ice cream.

i was sick of space marines too. then gw sold me a perscription for medication. - only 99.99 for a 20 pack, and each pill had like 12 skulls on each side. it totally cured me of my hate and now i think space marines are just awsome bundles of super cool fun! i also bought a bunch of land raiders and storm ravens for some reason - then painted my room blue... the side effects arent bad, i mean everyone has weird bumps, hair loss and anal leakage when on meds...

Kaldor wrote:

Eiluj The Farseer wrote: I am just at a point where I am sick of hearing about them.

I don't understand this part. If you don't want to hear about Marines, then don't read the Marine codex, don't read the Marine based Black Library novels, and skip over the Marine parts in the rulebook.

Problem solved.

Have you not seen the 40k video games? Dawn of war, space marine only campaign. Dawn of war 2, space marine only campaign (till expansion), then theres Space Marine (the game) also... And the only 40k movie, ultramarine.

I honestly cannot stand how much they promote space marines.

To the people saying 'theres plenty of other stuff if you go looking for it', well thats just the problem. We're saturated with Space marine stuff, and have to go LOOKING for other stuff. That aint how it should be...

Dragonzord wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

Eiluj The Farseer wrote: I am just at a point where I am sick of hearing about them.

I don't understand this part. If you don't want to hear about Marines, then don't read the Marine codex, don't read the Marine based Black Library novels, and skip over the Marine parts in the rulebook.

Problem solved.

Have you not seen the 40k video games? Dawn of war, space marine only campaign. Dawn of war 2, space marine only campaign (till expansion), then theres Space Marine (the game) also... And the only 40k movie, ultramarine.

I honestly cannot stand how much they promote space marines.

To the people saying 'theres plenty of other stuff if you go looking for it', well thats just the problem. We're saturated with Space marine stuff, and have to go LOOKING for other stuff. That aint how it should be...

I still don't get it. What are you expecting a game called "Space Marine" to be about? If you don't want to play a game about Space Marines, don't play it. The same applies for anything else. I don't go reading all the Eldar stuff and then complain because I read it. If I don't want to be bombarded by it, then I just avoid it. Easy.

OP has a point, though it's somewhat point-less to complain about it I fear.

It's pretty much a known fact that Space Marines dominate the presentation of the entire franchise. The whole idea of "you're choosing where to look" is about the same as telling people who don't like soccer to do so when they complain about getting flooded with stuff that doesn't fly their boat during the world cup. It's everywhere and it kinda stops being fun when every interesting battle whose fluff description you find intrigueing ends with "and then the Marines showed up and saved everyone". Booooring!

I'm not sick of Space Marines. I'm just sick of the level and the manner of their representation. Take a look at the 6E rulebook and compare the pagecount of Marines vs everyone else. Or look at the "neutral" fluff bits like the battles section and read the texts.
Look at the older books - you may note how this has not always been so excessive. Marines were always over-represented and have always been the cash-cow of GW, but there was a time when their whole style was a little more toned down - so much so that it fit in with all the rest.

At the end of the day, however, this is just one of the things people have to accept with this hobby. It's like complaining about GW price hikes, or the lack of canon/consistency. Just roll yer eyes and move on. It's impossible to "avoid" Spess Mehreens these days, but as long as you can still find cool stuff about the faction you find more interesting, there's still something to focus on and be happy/excited about.

Anpu42 wrote:Why dosn't the OP Start a Xenos thread instead of Bash Marines?

If you read my original post I am not bashing marines and I do have other armies, my first was Eldar and Harlequins, please read the full post before bashing your self. Thank you to the rest for your points of view...

I agree there is fluff out there for non-space marines, but it is few and far between... I am not saying space marines should go away and I know that this is not going to happen, but I am just sick of the emphasis, I am not saying this is going to change... I love 40k, I love the game... but I used to be in Battletech and have all the novels, I think they did a good job telling stories from all sides of the spectrum... Heck they even had one author do a trilogy about the Clans and then another author that told the innersphere's side... I just would love to see more of that...I am not saying it is going to happen, just a dream

Ok I'm a massive Marine fan, but I'll have to agree, The infomation on Xeno races isn't as readily avalable as Marines fluff, but not impossible to find

Once again I am not trying hate or bash on space marines, I was just seeing if people had the similar view on what I was thinking or other ideas people may have...
What I do find funny on Dakka sometimes is people's inability to accept someone may have a different opinion than you and then have to post negative comments or rip on the poster..
I was just stating an opinion.. If you like Marines great, there is something cool about them, I am just stating that I am getting sick of them, it does not mean that you have to..
People saying ignore them, kind of hard to do that when they are so heavily intertwined in 40k... oh well, thanks for the posts everyone.

Seems a touch odd to start a thread in a discussion sub-forum to make a statement rather than to start a discussion...
Some people are sick of people pointing out that they are sick of marines...
It's usually the same reason so it's not exactly a varied argument...

Kaldor wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

Eiluj The Farseer wrote: I am just at a point where I am sick of hearing about them.

I don't understand this part. If you don't want to hear about Marines, then don't read the Marine codex, don't read the Marine based Black Library novels, and skip over the Marine parts in the rulebook.

Problem solved.

Have you not seen the 40k video games? Dawn of war, space marine only campaign. Dawn of war 2, space marine only campaign (till expansion), then theres Space Marine (the game) also... And the only 40k movie, ultramarine.

I honestly cannot stand how much they promote space marines.

To the people saying 'theres plenty of other stuff if you go looking for it', well thats just the problem. We're saturated with Space marine stuff, and have to go LOOKING for other stuff. That aint how it should be...

I still don't get it. What are you expecting a game called "Space Marine" to be about? If you don't want to play a game about Space Marines, don't play it. The same applies for anything else. I don't go reading all the Eldar stuff and then complain because I read it. If I don't want to be bombarded by it, then I just avoid it. Easy.

Yeah, way to totally miss my point there.

The point was that there is nearly no non-space marine stuff, especially when it comes to video games. If you want to play a 40k video game, then too bad, you're playing space marine, and tbh, thats incredibly damn boring for some of us.

The whole 'dont like it, dont play it' doesnt fly with me. I like 40k, i dont hate space marines, but i hate how they're the be all and end all for GW advertising..

Wasn't there an old 40k movie based on an Inquisitor, techpriest, a member of the Ecclesiarchy and a few guardsmen?

Also, yeh, marines are everywhere, but they are GW's poster boys, and one of the more recognisablely 40k races

Eldar/Dark Eldar, are they Elves?
Orks, I love Orcs!
etc

purplefood wrote:Seems a touch odd to start a thread in a discussion sub-forum to make a statement rather than to start a discussion...
Some people are sick of people pointing out that they are sick of marines...
It's usually the same reason so it's not exactly a varied argument...

Then I guess I will use the same argument that some are using, if you don't like the post then don't post in it

I just wanted to see what other people though about the issue..

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:Once again I am not trying hate or bash on space marines, I was just seeing if people had the similar view on what I was thinking or other ideas people may have...
What I do find funny on Dakka sometimes is people's inability to accept someone may have a different opinion than you and then have to post negative comments or rip on the poster..
I was just stating an opinion.. If you like Marines great, there is something cool about them, I am just stating that I am getting sick of them, it does not mean that you have to..
People saying ignore them, kind of hard to do that when they are so heavily intertwined in 40k... oh well, thanks for the posts everyone.

Funnily enough I was agreeing with you, there needs to be more info on the Xeno's that you shouldn't have to dig for, and I neither posted negative comments or ripped on you

Eiluj The Farseer wrote:

purplefood wrote:Seems a touch odd to start a thread in a discussion sub-forum to make a statement rather than to start a discussion...
Some people are sick of people pointing out that they are sick of marines...
It's usually the same reason so it's not exactly a varied argument...

Then I guess I will use the same argument that some are using, if you don't like the post then don't post in it

I just wanted to see what other people though about the issue..

I don't really mind anymore to be honest...
It's all just there, like part of the community or family or whatever...

I came to 40K for Space Marines (both good and evil). It's this eternal battle of hateful brothers that defines the setting and the game for me.

I don't mind a bit of auxiliary Xenos races, but I don't think 40K should go the way of a Star Trek Wargame with the main emphasis on various (near-human) Xenos battling it out. I don't play this game to see RomulansDark Eldar fight the BorgNecrons. I play it to see the hateful twins of Blood Angels and Night Lords tear into each other.

My personal preference, but I see limited value in 40K beyond Marines. The rules and such aren't that great (though I haven't played 6th yet) and other games have much more creative Xenos-Races to be frank. It's Space Marines that make me come back again and again (though I do also have a soft spot for Tau).

I may also be, perhaps, the only person who actually likes (near-)mirror games over the highly asymmetric ones. Marines vs. Marines is a lot of fine maneuvering and fighting for the edge. It has a tense, chess-like quality that, say, Greentide Orks vs. Draigolist could never ever hope to have.

Dragonzord wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

Eiluj The Farseer wrote: I am just at a point where I am sick of hearing about them.

I don't understand this part. If you don't want to hear about Marines, then don't read the Marine codex, don't read the Marine based Black Library novels, and skip over the Marine parts in the rulebook.

Problem solved.

Have you not seen the 40k video games? Dawn of war, space marine only campaign. Dawn of war 2, space marine only campaign (till expansion), then theres Space Marine (the game) also... And the only 40k movie, ultramarine.

I honestly cannot stand how much they promote space marines.

To the people saying 'theres plenty of other stuff if you go looking for it', well thats just the problem. We're saturated with Space marine stuff, and have to go LOOKING for other stuff. That aint how it should be...

More games:

Rites of War: Eldar

Fire Warrior: Tau

There's also some more space marine games (Chaos Gate, and a few others) but eh, fun.

I agree with the OP. Personally, I can't wait for the tyranids novel due out next year, with such compelling scenes as "bite bite, pheromone, move, eat"