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I've been manning space wolves against some friends, most recently his force of tyranids
I think it was called a harpy he had with his forces, it wasnt a big deal to take down, but it got me thinking, the space wolves had no flyers i was aware of, atleast not in their codex, however a few other friends were adamant they might be able to
googling has left me stumped so i decided to just ask on here

No. Russ intended us to fight with both feet firmly planted on the ground. If you really need flyers, find some of your battle brothers who believe in such things.

Unfortunately not. If you want flyers in your army you have to ally with another army which can use them.

They probably need Phil Kelly to think of another combination of Wolf, Fang, Claw and Canine first.

Jidmah wrote:They probably need Phil Kelly to think of another combination of Wolf, Fang, Claw and Canine first.

That joke is getting a little long in the fang...

I never understood why the Space Wolfs didn't use "flyers" in a very limited capacity.

I could see Wolf Claws ora Wolf Lord and retinue being aggressive and gutsy enough to take something akin to a Stormraven into battle as a transport as a dynamic and powerful entry to the fight. Hell, a Wolf Lord would probably want the front ramp open as they get near so his enemy "can see their doom coming".

Or Wolf Scouts using a Land Speeder Storm to get behind enemy lines, especially with their "commando" role.

The only other conceivable thing I can see is the current use of Drop Pods, or bulk landers like Thunderhawks which is really a before-battle action in anyting other than an apocalypse game.

Space wolves don't use fliers it's in the fluff.

Space wolves also don't run compaines of 2 5 man tactical squads and infinite long fangs.

Space wolves are supposed to assault things.

All space wolf players that don't follow these basic tenets of being a space wolf are heretics.

Jidmah wrote:They probably need Phil Kelly to think of another combination of Wolf, Fang, Claw and Canine first.

We shall call it, the Wolfang, and it shall have 12 armour all around, come with Skyhammer Missiles free and cost 10pts less than a Stormtalon, as well as coming with all of the other rules that the Stormtalon gets, because we Space Wolves are experts in getting better things, cheaper for no plausible reason whatsoever .

Pegawolfasus! SOMEONE CONVERT THIS NAO!

Rampage wrote:

Jidmah wrote:They probably need Phil Kelly to think of another combination of Wolf, Fang, Claw and Canine first.

We shall call it, the Wolfang, and it shall have 12 armour all around, come with Skyhammer Missiles free and cost 10pts less than a Stormtalon, as well as coming with all of the other rules that the Stormtalon gets, because we Space Wolves are experts in getting better things, cheaper for no plausible reason whatsoever .

Can't have "skyhammer" missiles. Not puppy enough.

AegisGrimm wrote:I never understood why the Space Wolfs didn't use "flyers" in a very limited capacity.

I could see Wolf Claws ora Wolf Lord and retinue being aggressive and gutsy enough to take something akin to a Stormraven into battle as a transport as a dynamic and powerful entry to the fight. Hell, a Wolf Lord would probably want the front ramp open as they get near so his enemy "can see their doom coming".

Or Wolf Scouts using a Land Speeder Storm to get behind enemy lines, especially with their "commando" role.

The only other conceivable thing I can see is the current use of Drop Pods, or bulk landers like Thunderhawks which is really a before-battle action in anyting other than an apocalypse game.

As with most things in 40k, superstition and 10,000 years of tradition have perverted ideas into quite different ones. Where as SW probably used many of these tactics during the Heresy and just preferred to use land fighting, that has changed.

I imagine the whole thing started at the Fang during the Heresy. Leman Russ was watching two SW brawling and one got thrown on his ass by the other. Russ looks up from his drink and says, "Brother, don't you know that Space Wolves always fight with both feet on the ground?" and everyone laughs. Bjorn keeps telling the damn story and the new wolves miss all the details except what Russ said.

juraigamer wrote:Space wolves don't use fliers it's in the fluff.

Space wolves also don't run compaines of 2 5 man tactical squads and infinite long fangs.

Space wolves are supposed to assault things.

All space wolf players that don't follow these basic tenets of being a space wolf are heretics.

SW do use Thunderhawks, but Thunderhawks are not represented in 40k, just Apoc. Space wolves do run lots of long fangs in some great companies and mechanized units in others. Go ahead and check the great company descriptions. Also, Space Wolves are not a purely assault force in the sense of close combat. They are an assault force in the sense of close-in fire fights with the ability to back it up in close combat if needed. Hence Counter-Attack.

You might want to re-read your SW codex a little bit. The Great Companies are specifically structured so as to allow players to field pretty much anything and stay fluffy. The only people who are heretics are those that don't attempt to complete their sagas over the course of the game. I have no pity for them.

Jidmah wrote:

Rampage wrote:

Jidmah wrote:They probably need Phil Kelly to think of another combination of Wolf, Fang, Claw and Canine first.

We shall call it, the Wolfang, and it shall have 12 armour all around, come with Skyhammer Missiles free and cost 10pts less than a Stormtalon, as well as coming with all of the other rules that the Stormtalon gets, because we Space Wolves are experts in getting better things, cheaper for no plausible reason whatsoever .

Can't have "skyhammer" missiles. Not puppy enough.

Good point, how about 'Fangwolfmane missiles'? Like Skyhammers but with 1 more strength and 1 lower AP?

Oh great, I thought we were talking about space wolf flyers. But apparently we're just going to recycle the wolf/fang joke over an over again.

Great Russ Wolfhammer Fangsiles launched from the Lupus Pattern Woflerwind.

Its profiles is: Str 10 AP1 Large Blast, Heavy 10

Can only be taken by Grey Knights.

Jidmah wrote:

Rampage wrote:

Jidmah wrote:They probably need Phil Kelly to think of another combination of Wolf, Fang, Claw and Canine first.

We shall call it, the Wolfang, and it shall have 12 armour all around, come with Skyhammer Missiles free and cost 10pts less than a Stormtalon, as well as coming with all of the other rules that the Stormtalon gets, because we Space Wolves are experts in getting better things, cheaper for no plausible reason whatsoever .

Can't have "skyhammer" missiles. Not puppy enough.

So we're going with Skypuppy missiles?

If you want Space Wolf fliers, unfortunately, you'll have to take allies of some sort.

ahhh i didnt think so
i was more interested because i wanted to paint one of the planes so it looked like an eagle
but i dont have the money to buy models not useful to my army just yet ><
to be honest i dont think space wolves are necesarily a purely wolf army, it represents ferocity and in a sense, animalism
no reasont hey couldnt tame any giant eagles living in the vacinity right?

Every one always thinks wolves are simple minded but they arnt, they use land speeders and thunderhawks so obviously recognise that air power matters, they just dont trust jump packs which can get their opperator killed needlessly.

Its an older codex and obviously in 2009 they hadnt a clue flyers were going to come into the picture, nothing in the fluff ever suggests they would not use something in battle that they need.

People seem to miss that their being savage barberians is mostly an act to fool their enemies and make them underestimate the threat a great company poses, only realising when its too late their mistake.

RxGhost wrote:Pegawolfasus! SOMEONE CONVERT THIS NAO!

LMFAO !

With a Wolf Lord riding it!

pretre wrote:
Also, Space Wolves are not a purely assault force in the sense of close combat. They are an assault force in the sense of close-in fire fights with the ability to back it up in close combat if needed. Hence Counter-Attack.

You know...way back in the 3rd edition codex, Space Wolves were only rivaled in CC by Khorne Beserkers. So actually, I kind of think they should be more assaulty. But that's just me.

Grugknuckle wrote:

pretre wrote:
Also, Space Wolves are not a purely assault force in the sense of close combat. They are an assault force in the sense of close-in fire fights with the ability to back it up in close combat if needed. Hence Counter-Attack.

You know...way back in the 3rd edition codex, Space Wolves were only rivaled in CC by Khorne Beserkers. So actually, I kind of think they should be more assaulty. But that's just me.

That's just because BC with hidden PF were awesome and you could rhino rush them and consolidate into the next combat. SW have always been a good mid-range counter-assault force, however.

I always thought that the whole "refusal to fly" thing by the Wolves was pretty dumb, as it would stop them from ever landing on a planet. Or at the very least, if they used drop pods, they could never leave.

Well, it isn't a refusal to fly. It is a refusal to teleport. SW still us thunderhawks and land speeders, etc.

THAT I can totally see, with how teleporting works in the 40K universe.

juraigamer wrote:Space wolves don't use fliers it's in the fluff.

Space wolves also don't run compaines of 2 5 man tactical squads and infinite long fangs.

Space wolves are supposed to assault things.

All space wolf players that don't follow these basic tenets of being a space wolf are heretics.

Might I recommend decaf?

The whole 'space wolfs don't fly' thingy was a late addition, no mention of it in Rogue Trader or 2nd edition where Wolves happily flew around with jump packs and speeders.

GW has altered the fluff before, they will alter it again. That's why it's the fluff, a decoration, and 'lore' or 'canon' much less the rules.

kronk wrote:If you want Space Wolf fliers, unfortunately, you'll have to take allies of some sort.

Not true, they have access to Stormeagles and Caestus Assault Rams from FW.

juraigamer wrote:Space wolves don't use fliers it's in the fluff.

Space wolves also don't run compaines of 2 5 man tactical squads and infinite long fangs.

Space wolves are supposed to assault things.

All space wolf are heretics.

Fixed that for you

I'm glad at least one person mentioned the Storm Eagle and the Ceastus.

Hetelic wrote:

juraigamer wrote:Space wolves don't use fliers it's in the fluff.

Space wolves also don't run compaines of 2 5 man tactical squads and infinite long fangs.

Space wolves are supposed to assault things.

All space wolf are heretics.

Fixed that for you

Someone's not firing their friendship cannon at full power...

If you are using forgeworld rules then space wolves can take the Storm Eagle Assault Gunship as a fast attack choice.
Also in apocalyptic and friendly games you can take Thunderhawk Gunships.

Anyone notice how apparently DA and BT also fight with boots on the ground. They don't get flyers either.

Or how a bout the simple fact that the first "flying" in-game tank for space marines didn't even show up until the BA codex. It was broken then and then got more broken in GK.

The storm talon was forcefully shoved into the C:SM codex so that there would be more than two SM armies that could field flyers with the 6th ed rules.

Thankfully Forgeworld has put out a few flyers for SW, BT, and DA to use. But they aren't quite as cost effective as they should be being forgeworld models and all.