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As the title suggests, i was wandering about whats the proper name for the Imperium's religion, i know i heard it before but i dont remember where.

So, anybody knows?

The movement that became the Ecclesiarchy was called the Temple of the Savior Emperor.

Thanks

The Imperial Creed?

Manchu wrote:The movement that became the Ecclesiarchy was called the Temple of the Savior Emperor.

Then what is the difference between that and the Imperial Creed? If any.

The Ecclesiarchy is the organisation/church, the Imperial Creed is the, well creed of said Ecclesiarchy.

Makarov wrote:

Manchu wrote:The movement that became the Ecclesiarchy was called the Temple of the Savior Emperor.

Then what is the difference between that and the Imperial Creed? If any.

Many millennia of history.

I have seen a number of names for the Imperium's religion in M41, such as Imperial Cult, or even The One True Faith. None of these are particularly "unique", but they strengthen its perception as the only valid and sanctioned religion for people to follow. Some of these names may be unique to various licensed publications, but given the comparatively disorganised nature of the Imperium this isn't of any particular concern.

Also, the Imperial Creed isn't exactly the religion itself, but rather part of the religion. I suppose you could compare it to the Ten Commandments? It's basically a set of "virtues" for Imperial citizens, defining proper attitude towards xenos, witches and heretics as well as concepts such as Mankind's divine right to rule the stars and the need for expansion.

English Assassin wrote:The Imperial Creed?

That's what I thought.

I think its called The Imperial Cult. The basic tenets are the Imperial Creed. I could be wrong however. You never know with 40k and its twisted ball of yarn canon/noncanon.

The Imperial Cult seems to be the closest thing to an official name.

The Imperial Lie. As opposed to the Emperor's Imperial Truth, which he imposed severely, even going so far as to personally break the last priest on Ancient Terra, and burn Monarchia to ashes.

The original "Emperor=God" movement was called the Lectito Divinatus or something. Currently, It's usually called the Imperial Cult.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The Imperial Cult seems to be the closest thing to an official name.

This.

DOOMBREAD wrote:The original "Emperor=God" movement was called the Lectito Divinatus or something.

In some novel.

Regardless of whether that one was the first or not, the "Cult of the Emperor Saviour" was the most influential movement in the time after the Heresy, and thus what eventually evolved into the "modern" Ecclesiarchy, by either swallowing or eliminating any other rival cults.

At least according to Codex fluff. Since the setting has no canon, one could of course prefer novel fluff. It's just as valid, only less likely to be repeated in other sources.

According to the Imperium there are no other religions, so you could just call it religion since it's the only example.

Imperialism.....duh

Cult of the Emperor Saviour is what pops out in my head.

When lorgar first cooked up the religion it was called the Lectitio Divinitatus and essentially had only one or two commandments, these being: The big E is a god and to to achieve salvation from strife you must recognise him as a god and pray to him. The from of the commandments makes me think they thought the warp was actual hell (which is a pretty big leap in the 31st millennium) and to be freed from its grasp and given eternal peace (to actually die?) you must recognise the emperor as your god and pray to him. When the heresy consumed the Imperium the lectitio changed it's name to avoid its association with any rouge primarch that is the greatest daemon user in the history of ever (hin, hint). This new cult then emerged after the end of the horus heresy when the Emporer was intured on the golden throne. This new order was called the "Cult of the Emperor Saviour" which basicly stated that he pulled a Jesus (sorry for anyone practising Christianity out there, no offence was meant) and blamed it on the warlock aliens and the humans they had corrupted with the use of psykers. And thus they incorporated that into the cult and over time they infiltrated the Ecclesiarchy who's sole purpose was to keep everyone in line like a semi-skjald. After 10,000 years the warped husk and remians of the original religion is called the imperial cult and is so fascist that people have regressed back to old ideals (guilty until proven innocent, innocence means nothing, people deserve not to live) add to this the fact that the armour, weapons and equipment issued to almost anyone in the 41st millennium is worth on the factor of 100 times more than the worth of the person.

And thus ends the tale of how a good religion has turned into one of the driving forces humanity is essentially cavemen with laser weapons.

Tadashi wrote:The Imperial Lie. As opposed to the Emperor's Imperial Truth, which he imposed severely, even going so far as to personally break the last priest on Ancient Terra, and burn Monarchia to ashes.

Don't blame the Ecclesiarchy for it;

A single candle guttered on an ornate silver stick in the centre of the room, throwing a yellowish, fitful light over the faces of the cowled figures stood in the dusty chamber.

"The Golden Throne works," one said, his voice aged and cracked. "The Emperor's life can be sustained indefinitely."

"His soul lives on?" another inquired, his long, sharp nose protruding from under the lip of his hood. "It is not an empty husk?"

"It is not," the first confirmed. "The Emperor has ascended to the next plane, but the link 'twixt body and spirit remains strong."

"Then it can be brought back," suggested the third, a young woman whose flowing white hair spilled from her hood and down to her waist. "The Emperor need not suffer this hideous eternal life in death."

"We can not risk such a thing!" the first hissed. "What if the spiritual link were severed? What if the person brought back was not the man we once knew? Changed? News of the Emperor's... ascension is already widespread. He is being revered as a god already on a hundred worlds. In this time of rebuilding we need a symbol. The Emperor has shown us the way. Anyway, who would believe the Emperor had returned so soon? It will cause a civil war more devastating than that of the fool Horus, and even now we have yet to start counting the cost of that. No, better that this knowledge remains hidden. When we pass on to join the Emperor, it will die with us.

"You cannot deny Mankind the Emperor," a fourth voice, deep and slow, stated firmly. "He and the empire he has built are Mankind's only chance of survival."

The woman and the deep-voiced man both withdrew into the shadows and a moment later the door creaked open, a chill draught causing the candle flame to flit wildly.

"Moriana, Promeus, wait!" the first man called out, but the door slammed shut in answer.

"We cannot let them do this," the hawk-nosed man decided.

"No we cannot," the first agreed. "We must act quickly, get organised and claim the initiative."

"It shall be done," the other concurred.
- Page 3, Inquisitor RPG rulebook, by Gav Thorpe (I think).

Bolded the important part. Before the Ecclesiarchy could properly be formed & founded, humanity, bereft of the phenomenal Emperor & lost in a crisis, turned to the age-old human way of dealing with things - worship. Because of the gulf he left behind humanity desperately needed to fill that void. So they turned to treating him like a God and, once the Ecclesiarchy was fully formed they capitalized upon this and it became a means of keeping humanity united.

A wonderful piece of irony - the Emperor taught them not to follow religions, but with the loss of the Emperor they willingly turned back to worship and, as an extra kick in the nads, worshiped the Emperor. Brilliant.

Tadashi wrote:The Imperial Lie

or the Impeial Paranoia

now in reality her name is Imperial's Truth. Or Cult of the Imperial's Truth i tihnk. but call it and Lecto Dvatous

Flying spaghetti Emperor Cult !

Pada wrote:

Tadashi wrote:The Imperial Lie

or the Impeial Paranoia

now in reality her name is Imperial's Truth. Or Cult of the Imperial's Truth i tihnk. but call it and Lecto Dvatous

How the Emperor must weep to see his dream and ideal perverted into a monstrosity.

More a lesson to him that you can't take humanity out of humans. When people don't have any answers or they're in a crisis, they'll hope, believe, want some greater being to sort things out. The Emperor, therefore, is a suitable person to worship when you hear he is dead & that there has been a civil war. The Emperor who taught humanity so much, who led them in a great crusade across the stars, the guiding hand of Mankind... is dead. What shall we do? Is there anyone who can replace him? Maybe if we pray to him he'll come back & protect us? Or he will protect us from whatever lays beyond, oh Guide us God-Emperor, hear our prayers!

Sparks_Havelock wrote:More a lesson to him that you can't take humanity out of humans. When people don't have any answers or they're in a crisis, they'll hope, believe, want some greater being to sort things out. The Emperor, therefore, is a suitable person to worship when you hear he is dead & that there has been a civil war. The Emperor who taught humanity so much, who led them in a great crusade across the stars, the guiding hand of Mankind... is dead. What shall we do? Is there anyone who can replace him? Maybe if we pray to him he'll come back & protect us? Or he will protect us from whatever lays beyond, oh Guide us God-Emperor, hear our prayers!

That doesn't justify the twisted parody the Imperium has become. The Ecclesiarchy is no better than the dregs of Chaos. Guilliman and the others should have taken control - they would have figured out a better way to keep the Imperium together without resorting to religion.

No it doesn't justify it but the base instinct of people worshiping the Emperor after they'd heard the news he was dead was a base human choice - the Emperor taught humanity not to worship him, he pops his clogs & suddenly humanity worship him as a god. The Ecclesiarchy just capitalised on it & made it a way to keep the Imperium united...and under firm control.

Sparks_Havelock wrote:No it doesn't justify it but the base instinct of people worshiping the Emperor after they'd heard the news he was dead was a base human choice - the Emperor taught humanity not to worship him, he pops his clogs & suddenly humanity worship him as a god. The Ecclesiarchy just capitalised on it & made it a way to keep the Imperium united...and under firm control.

And that is why I hate the Ecclesiarchy so much. They took advantage of the situation and stepped all over the Emperor's ideals and dreams. Weak, vile, cursed sorts of a false god - the Emperor is not a god. He never was, and never will be. He's a Human, the mightiest psyker who ever lived, nothing more nothing less. The Primarchs should have taken control and found a different path.

BTW, thanks for lighting the fire. In my 40k group's RPG next week, I'm going to be burning churches and killing priests. FOR THE EMPEROR!!!

Tadashi wrote:

Sparks_Havelock wrote:More a lesson to him that you can't take humanity out of humans. When people don't have any answers or they're in a crisis, they'll hope, believe, want some greater being to sort things out. The Emperor, therefore, is a suitable person to worship when you hear he is dead & that there has been a civil war. The Emperor who taught humanity so much, who led them in a great crusade across the stars, the guiding hand of Mankind... is dead. What shall we do? Is there anyone who can replace him? Maybe if we pray to him he'll come back & protect us? Or he will protect us from whatever lays beyond, oh Guide us God-Emperor, hear our prayers!

That doesn't justify the twisted parody the Imperium has become. The Ecclesiarchy is no better than the dregs of Chaos. Guilliman and the others should have taken control - they would have figured out a better way to keep the Imperium together without resorting to religion.

Your underestimating the amount of fear of Chaos was present after the heresy even amongst The Primarchs. This new faith was the only thing keeping the Imperium together and at first it just seems like really strong loyalty to The Big E.

The truth is, on the billions of worlds under Imerpial control, they have different religions that the Ecclesiarchy judges as either a different interpretation of praising the Emperor, or susceptible to Chaos taint. So since there are so damn many of these religions, you can narrow it down to either one of those two categories-

Praise the Emperor

Heresy

Million worlds, chap, just around a million. But yes there are many variations of worship across the galaxy (death cults, sun worshippers - all that sort of thing) and the Priests make sure they nudge that worship towards being solely for the Emperor & making sure they don't start including other... elements in their worship.

DxM Scotty MxD wrote:When the heresy consumed the Imperium the lectitio changed it's name to avoid its association with any rouge primarch that is the greatest daemon user in the history of ever (hin, hint). This new cult then emerged after the end of the horus heresy when the Emporer was intured on the golden throne. This new order was called the "Cult of the Emperor Saviour" [...]

Does that novel claim this direct connection?