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So I was playing against an enemy and we were playing a 1000pt game. I play Necrons and he was playing IG. He was running an ADL with vet squads and then my problem. He had a manticore and two griffions. For some reason i couldn;t find a good list for my Necrons at 1000pts and I got destroyed very badly.

So my question is how can I best quickly destroy his tanks befroe he gets to many shots off. It jsut take me too long to scarab slog it to him and past his defense line.

Any help would be great.

Well the fool was just spamming heavy support at 1000 points. Up the point value to 1500 and try again, he just screwed you over honestly.

If you always run scarabs, then him taking two griffons was list tailoring.

Can't you take a ballistic skill 5 C'tan that shoots laser beams out of his head? He is only one model so templates don't really affect him very well. Well, no better than a single shot weapon. So its better to face templates than say, twin linked auto cannons.

I know now i don't like 1000 pt games, "they stop me from using my big toys", but i was also wondering if anyone has a good list for Necrons at low point values like 1000?

Why not try something like this as a start:

Cheapish Lord

Nercon Warriors x10, Night Scythe
Nercon Warriors x10, Night Scythe

Wraiths x3

Doom Scythe

Then add upgrades and fill in your remaining points to taste.

Thanks for the list, what would you suggest if i played Victory points becasue thats usually all that my group plays so I don't have to worry at all about objectives?
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 Chaos Santa wrote:
Thanks for the list, what would you suggest if i played Victory points becasue thats usually all that my group plays so I don't have to worry at all about objectives?

O.o your group doesn't play with objectives?

Hell...just run Draigowing.

Tell them to try some new mission types and see how that goes. Playing the same mission type over and over again can't be much fun.

Easy answer; flyers. Not only are they awesome, but those Blasts can't actually touch them. One ADL won't be enough to take on sevarl of them either, and they are cheap enough to amass in 1000pts; 2 Doomscythes and 2 Night Scythes only cost 550pts.

 Chaos Santa wrote:
Thanks for the list, what would you suggest if i played Victory points becasue thats usually all that my group plays so I don't have to worry at all about objectives?
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Ahhh Another one of these guys.

So- Essentially, if there are no objectives, the game turns into a "who can kill more models than the other guy", so I'm going to take the shootiest army that has a gun for its gun (Yo dawg i heard you liked shootin'...) and simply blast you off the table.
If the only way to win is kill the other guy and you guys want to roll dice, then why not just sit your models next to each other on a flat empty table and roll dice? kinda sounds like what your doin' anyway. Basically, "one of these guys" is someone who comes to tactics and says "I need some halp vs my friend. He owns me with this list" and it doesn't sound quite right to us then the truth comes out- "we only play for victory/kill points".
And your wondering why your friend is designing an army to sit there and give hell? why bother moving out when you win by killing? especially when you have arguably one of the top shooting armies... Your friend is doing whats natural in a one dimensional game, "If i win by killing the enemy I will take as much killy as i can." There is a reason for objectives.

 juraigamer wrote:
Well the fool was just spamming heavy support at 1000 points. Up the point value to 1500 and try again, he just screwed you over honestly.

Oh that's like saying people who spammed the green tide in 5th were screwing people over
Although 2 griffons? One to guide, sure. Two? hmmm.

I love I post one thing and i get many replys I might have to use that for later post,

Jihallah thanks for your opinion but me and my group love the way we play and have tons of fun.(I don't mind objective missions but some of the others just like victory points) If you have any nice advice I'm all ears.

TheCaptain I play Necrons and not Gk so I'm unable to play Draigowing, thoguh a freind of mine does a tactic like that.

Canadian 5th I don't have that many scythes and right now almost none of my friends have any anti air and I like to not be a dick so I barely run my one scythe. Any other ideas for list would be great [also I don't have any Wraiths:(]

 Chaos Santa wrote:
I love I post one thing and i get many replys I might have to use that for later post,

Jihallah thanks for your opinion but me and my group love the way we play and have tons of fun.(I don't mind objective missions but some of the others just like victory points) If you have any nice advice I'm all ears.

TheCaptain I play Necrons and not Gk so I'm unable to play Draigowing, thoguh a freind of mine does a tactic like that.

Canadian 5th I don't have that many scythes and right now almost none of my friends have any anti air and I like to not be a dick so I barely run my one scythe. Any other ideas for list would be great [also I don't have any Wraiths:(]

You should start buying the models needed to win in that sort of game then. Go full out with a Necron flying circus that they can't touch if they're going to sit there all nice and bunched up for you. Then watch as they suddenly want to play objective games.

Also dont forget the most basic thing possible for countering large blasts. Spread your models out to 2". Not 1" not 1.5" exactly 2" so that the best he can get is 3-4 models.

 Chaos Santa wrote:
Jihallah thanks for your opinion but me and my group love the way we play and have tons of fun.(I don't mind objective missions but some of the others just like victory points) If you have any nice advice I'm all ears.

Simple- play objectives. Or use your night/doomscythe, or two.
Hey, it's not like you have any decent anti-large blast spam, so by the same logic isn't your friend a dick?

 Chaos Santa wrote:
TheCaptain I play Necrons and not Gk so I'm unable to play Draigowing, thoguh a freind of mine does a tactic like that.

The point of my comment was to point out that using a single mission-type of the six provided means lists become incredibly one-dimensional, and it is easy to tailor a list to win ONE mission, thus dominating the meta. The whole point of six missions is that lists need to be multi-dimensional and balanced.

The reference to draigowing is exposing what kind of list would easily run train on a mission like that, and thus all of the missions your group plays. A 500pt deathstar could easily beat a 1000pt list in a KP game; because it provides 5-KP's max The HQ, the Deathstar, Slay the Warlord, First Blood, and Linebreaker. First blood, the HQ kill, and the deathstar kill will be tough to get; so essentially you'd only be able to get linebreaker.

A guard player could take a CCS, two barebones Vet squads, and FIVE LRBT's. That's why you got wrecked by pie-plates. Singular gametypes breed one-sided lists; and ones where objectives don't matter mean the lists can just load up on their best HS/FA/Elite options.

See why game-variance matters?

Try out the others; they're super fun

 TheCaptain wrote:
The point of my comment was to point out that using a single mission-type of the six provided means lists become incredibly one-dimensional, and it is easy to tailor a list to win ONE mission, thus dominating the meta. The whole point of six missions is that lists need to be multi-dimensional and balanced.

The reference to draigowing is exposing what kind of list would easily run train on a mission like that, and thus all of the missions your group plays. A 500pt deathstar could easily beat a 1000pt list in a KP game; because it provides 5-KP's max The HQ, the Deathstar, Slay the Warlord, First Blood, and Linebreaker. First blood, the HQ kill, and the deathstar kill will be tough to get; so essentially you'd only be able to get linebreaker.

A guard player could take a CCS, two barebones Vet squads, and FIVE LRBT's. That's why you got wrecked by pie-plates. Singular gametypes breed one-sided lists; and ones where objectives don't matter mean the lists can just load up on their best HS/FA/Elite options.

See why game-variance matters?

Try out the others; they're super fun

To the OP- he's saying what I'm saying. Except with effort

 Canadian 5th wrote:
Why not try something like this as a start:

Cheapish Lord

Nercon Warriors x10, Night Scythe
Nercon Warriors x10, Night Scythe

Wraiths x3

Doom Scythe

Then add upgrades and fill in your remaining points to taste.

This would be a great list. The flyers make the blasts useless, the Wraiths shrug off 2/3 of the wounds and the Doom Scythe blows the hell out of the tanks.

Thank you all for the replys and you have answered all my questions.

How much terrain is on the board, by the way? I bet not much...

Start playing all the missions. He'll be hurting when he tries to cower behind a defense line with artillery all game when almost all the missions require you to move out and capture objectives.

By limiting yourself to just one mission (and killpoints no less) you're practically handing the game to IG. We can outshoot anyone at lowpoints games, as I'm sure you've found out.

Other tips, learn how to spread 2". Also, with smaller units, instead of just balling them up in a sort of blob, run them in lines or odd hook type shapes that mess with templates. I've had eldar players do this for example with their infantry. Each "-" is an inch, each "o" is a model

o--o--o--o--o--o--o
|
o
|
o--o

That's a rough example, but I hope it gives you an idea of what I'm talking about. Also, While those griffons and manticores will wreck your warriors, they will be almost useless against your MC's, and anything that's got a +3 armor or invulns. Keep in mind also that he's put almost all his points in heavy support choices, meaning he probably has very little points in troops. If he were to play that list in an objective game, he would be in trouble.

Of course, everyone else ninja'd me on this, so I'm a bit late to the party. But a lot of good advice has already been mentioned, so I don't have much more I can add other than the fact that his artillery is literally a bunch of glass cannons. Get some good long ranged firepower on them, or just touch them in close combat, and they'll evaporate incredibly fast. Just be glad he isn't using Russes, they're far more scary to fight at low points levels, something I'm very fond of doing

Wraiths will be gorgeous for you. Big bases mitigates blasts, since you can space 2", the perfect hit will get only 3 of your models. 3+ Invul thumbs its nose at ap, and they're a great big scary fire magnet to stick in front. Run five of them naked and charge straight across at him. S6 will eat Av10 as easily as scarabs eat his tanks and where scarabs hate blasts wraiths laugh at them. That and your doom scythe will rock those vehicles.

That and I gotta add in one more plug for adding some actual variation to your gameplay.


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Wraiths will be gorgeous for you. Big bases mitigates blasts, since you can space 2", the perfect hit will get only 3 of your models. 3+ Invul thumbs its nose at ap, and they're a great big scary fire magnet to stick in front. Run five of them naked and charge straight across at him. S6 will eat Av10 as easily as scarabs eat his tanks and where scarabs hate blasts wraiths laugh at them. That and your doom scythe will rock those vehicles.

That and I gotta add in one more plug for adding some actual variation to your gameplay.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Wraiths will be gorgeous for you. Big bases mitigates blasts, since you can space 2", the perfect hit will get only 3 of your models. 3+ Invul thumbs its nose at ap, and they're a great big scary fire magnet to stick in front. Run five of them naked and charge straight across at him. S6 will eat Av10 as easily as scarabs eat his tanks and where scarabs hate blasts wraiths laugh at them. That and your doom scythe will rock those vehicles.

That and I gotta add in one more plug for adding some actual variation to your gameplay.

1000 pt anti-large blast necron list Mk I

1 Destroyer Lord (Warlord)
- Mindshackle Scarabs
- Sempiternal Weave

6 Wraiths

1 Annihiliation Barge

10 Immortals
- Gauss Blaster
- Nightscythe

10 Immortals
- Gauss Blaster
- Nightscythe

1000 Points.

large Blasts cannot touch your troop choices at all in nightscythes until you unload them right next to the big guns and unleash hell. Also Tesla Destructors are great vs guard blobs 'and' low AV vehicles.

Wraiths + Destroyer lord laugh at blasts, and eat tanks for breakfast besides.

The barge is there because again tesla just 'loves' guard blobs to shoot at, and puts you at an even 1000 pts.

If I may make a couple of quick and dirty suggestions - Imotekh with veil Crypteks, and Anrakyr.
The former's night fighting should help you get stuck in more easily, while the latter will turn your opponent's nasty guns against himself (though may have trouble getting close enough to do so).

Much of what's been said above is true, and to be honest playing to the missions is much better advice. But I wanted to suggest these as they're fairly cheap money wise, you'll only have to buy 1 or 2 characters to make the change.