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Hello all. I am currently working on creating Sanguinius, the Great Primarch of the BA. So far I have some bits chosen for use and have began gluing only a couple pieces together. However I got to thinking about stats and instantly came here. At first I was just gonna use the stats of The Sanguinor, but then I got to thinking that this is actually SANGUINIUS himself! Plus I already got to making the Spear of Telesto hehe. Anyways, what do you fine gents think the stats should be for him, along with wargear and special rules? All bits of advice welcome! Future thanks!!!

You could always just use Scibors not-Sanguinius.

Wow, that's pretty awesome! I never thought of getting that one... But I can't change the past, so going forward I am looking more towards the basic Stats of the character. Like his WS, BS, S, T, etc. With Wargear and Special Rules as well. Just kinda of like a overall opinion from you chaps out there in the 40k world that play. I have a basic an overall idea as to what to do, but I want more say to, slightly, go off of and grow. Thank you though for the link!

Well Let start with the Obvious. 2+ save, Jump pack, 4+ inv. Eternal warrior. lets say aybe 6 wounds?
And how about something called blood rage? For each wound he takes, he gains STR. so maybe starts at 5. he then has 6 wounds.

Removes red thirst, replaces with fearless.

I like this more than the argument 'red thirst just becomes them thinking they have to act awesomely in front of their primarch' because if that was the case, everyone would do that, and it wouldn't be called the red thirst.

WS 0
BS 0
S 0
T 10
W 0
I 0
A 0
Ld 10

Special Rules, cannot move, 2+ armor, 4+ invul, fearless. Models within 6" are fearless, Blood Angels within 12" are fearless.
All Blood Angels roll re-roll for red thirst. All models who subcome to red thirst also gain prefered enemy.

The Primarch cannot move, and can only be removed from the game by remove from game effects.

Should be modeled as a corpse.

-Matt

Primarch Sanguinius--- Pts 625 By Lord Magnus

WS- 8 /BS- 7 /S- 6 /T- 5 /W- 5 /I- 6 /A- 5 /LD- 10 /SV 2+/4++

Wargear
Golden Armour of Baal, Spear of Telesto, Blade Encarmine, Angelic Wings.

Angelic Wings- These are the wings of Sanguinius, he counts as being equiped with a jump pack. Sanguinius never is obligated to make dangerous terrain tests because of leaving or entering terrain.

Blade Encarmine- This counts as a force weapon axe that is not penalized from the Unwieldy space rule, purely because of size, and the skill of its wielder.

Spear of Telesto- This was given to Sanguinius by the Emperor of Mankind. It projects a blast of energy which vaporises any in its path. It counts as an AP2 singing spear


Special Rules
combat tactics, atsknf


Tactical Precision Sanguinius and any unit with the DoA rule that he joins does not scatter when Deep striking.


Psyker (Mastery Level 3)

Psychic powers- Might of Heroes, Blood Boil, Smite, Shackle Soul, Fear of Darkness, he may also use the following Psychic Mastery lists from the rulebook

Divination

Telepathy

Angel Of Blood - Sanguinius has a feel no pain roll which passes on a 4+, he also benefits from the Furious Charge special rule.

Primarch - Eternal Warrior, Preferred Enemy, Furious Charge, Acute Senses, Fear, Independent Character, All Primarchs may also roll on all 3
Warlord Trait tables, rather than 1.


Inspiring Presence - All Blood Angels units that can draw line of sight to Sanguinius have the stubborn USR.


Foresight - Sanguius may reroll the dice for first turn or siezing the initiative, whichever you choose.


Heroic Intervention- see space marines codex


Pre-Heresy - Blood Angels in an army which includes Sanguinius is not subject Red Thirst tests, and Black Rage is ignored, however, if Sanguinius is killed during the battle, all units immediately take the required test for red thirst, and black rage is used as normal.

(Note: You may choose to use either the spear in combat for ignoring armour and wounding on a 2+ or the Blade for a chance to cause instant death to your enemies, at the cost of a warp charge.)

Last Edit: Removed Telekinesis, changed Blade Encarmine
to a Force Axe which strikes in initiative order.
Added 4+ FnP, Furious Charge and Fear
Boosted cost to 625.
Wrote this up a while ago..
Updated to 6th Edition

A Primarch also have God of War (Calgar rule) for choosing to pass or fail moral in my opinion.

Maybe the fear rule as well.

Awesome stuff so far! So instead of actually giving Sanguinius a gun for ranged attack, I count the spear as that what would be more ideal? Did sanguinius use guns, I have not found too much in that area. Currently the model I am using already has a mounted Inferno pistol, though I am not too fond of it. I like the idea of using the spear but would they both count as using 2 single handed weapons, or would I have to choose to use one or the other on the field? Spear be a 2 handed weapon already?? Please keep it coming!!!

 Lord Magnus wrote:
Primarch Sanguinius--- Pts 550 By Lord Magnus

WS- 8 /BS- 7 /S- 6 /T- 5 /W- 5 /I- 6 /A- 5 /LD- 10 /SV 2+/4++

come on he has to have better stats than mephiston.

I would boost WS to 9, I to 8, A to 6

He also should have furious charge and feel no pain - the blood angels staples

WS9 is to high, Sanguinius is not combat only focused beast like Lelith Hesprax, he is a good swordsman, but not THAT good, Anything faster than Initiative 7 SHOULD NOT have power armour, and Sanguinius isn't known for being that fast, also, I like the FnP and Furious charge, will add those with next update.

 Lord Magnus wrote:
WS9 is to high, Sanguinius is not combat only focused beast like Lelith Hesprax, he is a good swordsman, but not THAT good, Anything faster than Initiative 7 SHOULD NOT have power armour, and Sanguinius isn't known for being that fast, also, I like the FnP and Furious charge, will add those with next update.

Bloodthirsters are WS10, and Sanguinius more than held his own against Ka'Bandha in that regard.

Sanguinius:

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
10 5 6 6 5 8 5 10 2+

Wargear: Artificer Armour, Frag and Krak Grenades

Spear of Telesto: Two-handed power weapon with the following shooting attack: Template, S5, AP4, Assault 1 (basically a heavy flamer), template can be placed over friendly Codex: Blood Angels units to reflect the gene-coding technology.

Special Rules: Independent Character

Primarch: Grants Eternal Warrior and a 3+ invulnerable save.
Angelic Rage: Sanguinius is subject to the Rage and Fearless special rules.
Psychic Blood: All friendly Codex: Blood Angels units within 12" of Sanguinius are subject to the Furious Charge and Feel No Pain special rules.
Foresight: Sanguinius can re-roll all failed rolls To Hit.
Angel's Wings: Sanguinius is treated as having a jump pack and does not scatter when he deep strikes using his wings.

These are stats I've posted before on Dakka, and they can be kind of ridiculous but I think they represent him fairly well. This was before Fear to Tread came out though, where we learned that he has a glaive built into his left vambrace and that he also carries an infernus pistol. Unfortunately he uses the Blade Encarmine throughout the book and the Spear of Telesto does not make an appearance.

Orblivion's rules are the most realistic. As Sanguinius war known to be a master swordsman, stated by Horus himself (before he became a chaos pawn)

Master Swordsman does NOT mean WS10.

sanguinius had glaive encarmine (spear of telesto) power sword and infernus pistol as stated in the Horus Heresy book fear to Tread (he reached to his holsted infernus pistol)



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sanguinius had glaive encarmine (spear of telesto), power sword and infernus pistol as stated in the Horus Heresy book fear to Tread (he reached to his holsted infernus pistol)