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**Dudeface**

What datasheets are we looking at being changed/added at this point? Must be pushing a dozen including cultists?

**AlmightyWalrus**

On the subject of the Imperium not having anything like those disciples:

Spoiler:

That is all.

**Strg Alt**

lord_blackfang wrote:
I really wish they went back to the "metal men" concept for Obliterators instead of doubling down on the crappy "Terminators with cancer" reimagining.

I still have three metal men aka Oblits. The new versions with hellflesh looked as if they all had the Mark of Nurgle. Hard pass on these guys.

**Galas**

As a Blades of Khorne player, Prayers are amazing and even more having a +1 to cast them with just a couple of those dudes.

I wouldn't change my khorne prayers of AoS for magic powers.

**Strg Alt**

JSG wrote:
Darkseid wrote:
Why do some players want Oldmarines to be gone so badly?

Given the different aesthetics and battlefield roles, I think there is space for both Oldmarines and Primaris to co-exist.

The whole debate sounds more like a case of 'I told you that evil GeeDubz is screwing you over', than actually support for either of the marines.

I want it because I find deluded ramblings about manlets staying around forever, or Japanese blind boxes showing the range is in rude heath tedious. Also, the quicker they make the transition the less the lore will suffer. I'm not too bothered by the Primaris lore myself, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't have preferred them being introduced as the new, upscaled SM range. Ultimately this happened after Rogue Trader, it happened after 2nd edition and who still plays with 3rd edition tactical squads? Just use your old army for historical wars (Badab) and buy a new army for "current" ones. Everyone has done it multiple times before after all.

I still use my old Tac squads and I will never buy a box of Primaris.

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aracersss wrote:
if obliterators are to get buffed stats ... I still hope they come in units of 3

Yeah, they come in units of 3 and you get two in a box. GW does what they can best which is screwing the player.

**Elbows**

Actually, no. The new Obliterator datasheet changes the unit number from three to 1-3, so a box of two is "fine". I'm completely fine with griping about GW but the whinging over "screwing the player" is silly.

GW does indeed have some really misaligned strategies...this isn't one of them.

**Virules**

The people thinking Dark Apostle got nerfed are just too.blind to think through the new combos with relics, warlord traits, and detachment goodies. Dark Apostle might be auto include for me now, especially as Word Bearers or Emperor's Children. I'm doing a livestream YouTube episode this week anyway for my Warp Surge Radio podcast and I was anyway going to talk about how to win with Slaanesh with all the new combos you can do with Slaanesh CSM and Daemons. I'm definitely going to be talking about the Dark Apostle.

**grouchoben**

Just mailed the FAQ team to flag up the embarked Apostle problem. Hopefully they've already thought of this and give him an exception. If not the poor fella will be much maligned upon release!

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
Amazing that Word Bearers (already a faction no one uses) is nerfed in a book that is barely playable if you use power armor. What in the world is the purpose of this unit now? They were already pretty bad except with Berserkers and now they're downright terrible.

Again, to say GW has some kind of game design direction is saying that throwing spaghetti against the wall is evidence of a "pattern".

Is no one aware of the disciples boosting the roll? Do we always just just to stupid conclusions?

Because obviously the disciples aren't going to cost extra, right? And there's no way they're upping the pts for the apostle himself due to his new rules. No way.

**Slayer-Fan123**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
On the subject of the Imperium not having anything like those disciples:

Spoiler:

That is all.

Grimaldus is a particular special character.

That is all.

**Facisminthe41m**

Seeing the new chaos terminators painted up as word bearers in today's preview... Sorry not sorry those are the best looking lightening claws i've ever seen on a GW model. I like the chaos terminators best out of all the new models.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Pretty cool, the apostle was already an auto-include in every melee heavy CSM list, now even more so. It will be interesting to see what the other prayers are. And best thing, I already have quite a number of nurgley friends to use as disciples...

Do you write for the GW Community website or something?

**BrianDavion**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
Amazing that Word Bearers (already a faction no one uses) is nerfed in a book that is barely playable if you use power armor. What in the world is the purpose of this unit now? They were already pretty bad except with Berserkers and now they're downright terrible.

Again, to say GW has some kind of game design direction is saying that throwing spaghetti against the wall is evidence of a "pattern".

Is no one aware of the disciples boosting the roll? Do we always just just to stupid conclusions?

Because obviously the disciples aren't going to cost extra, right? And there's no way they're upping the pts for the apostle himself due to his new rules. No way.

my guess is the apostle will cost the same as he did before and the disiples will be added on. sort of a nice way to allow people who run a DA in their list already to not edit it if they don't wish too

**Strg Alt**

Elbows wrote:
Actually, no. The new Obliterator datasheet changes the unit number from three to 1-3, so a box of two is "fine". I'm completely fine with griping about GW but the whinging over "screwing the player" is silly.

GW does indeed have some really misaligned strategies...this isn't one of them.

Actually, yes. Someone wants to field three as I have for the last 15 years as it is good and proper and you only get two in a box. Why don´t they sell 8 Tacticals in a box? Would also be totally fine by your reasoning.

**Elbows**

Actually no. Why don't they sell 30 plaguebearers in a box when I can run them in a squad that big? You can run the models out of the box...you're presenting it (wrongly) as if you're suddenly unable to field the three models you own.

You explicitly mentioned the two models being in the box as if it were illegal to run them that way. So you're incorrect.

**SlaveToDorkness**

What hes saying is they boxed them to where you automatically are one short or have one too many. It IS a GW tactic to box things in a manner to force you to buy too much or suffer having not enough.

**Strg Alt**

SlaveToDorkness wrote:
What hes saying is they boxed them to where you automatically are one short or have one too many. It IS a GW tactic to box things in a manner to force you to buy too much or suffer having not enough.

You hit the nail on the head.

**dogfender**

Seems the design studio blew the opportunity to correct the horrible arm positioning/ anatomy of the terminators.
If it’s a choice to have the arms come out of their heads it’s a poor one lol

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Seems the design studio blew the opportunity to correct the horrible arm positioning/ anatomy of the terminators.
If it’s a choice to have the arms come out of their heads it’s a poor one lol

**Grot 6**

I like the chaos, but I am not to Jazzed on the new "Primus"... its like every week we're getting them jammed down our throats if we like them or not... By now, my 7 ft tall gods of war are feeling a little pushed to the side for 9 ft tall REMF Repo Depo Marines... Its like the S and T platoon ate their Wheaties. and are flexing in the battalion gym while everyone else is in the field.

There is a Civil War a brewing...

**CREEEEEEEEED**

Strg Alt wrote:
SlaveToDorkness wrote:
What hes saying is they boxed them to where you automatically are one short or have one too many. It IS a GW tactic to box things in a manner to force you to buy too much or suffer having not enough.

You hit the nail on the head.

Not at all. You are not one short or one too many. You have a unit of two. If you want to run a unit of three, buy more (which will allow you to run two units of two or one of three and one of one, so you certainly do not have one too many). If you don't want to buy more, then run the models you have.

**Platuan4th**

Grot 6 wrote:
I like the chaos, but I am not to Jazzed on the new "Primus"...

Primaris. They are neither a band nor creator god of Cybertron.

**Strg Alt**

Kirasu wrote:
Brutus_Apex wrote:
More garbage rules and useless/redundant strategems.

More seriously though, did anyone think chaos would be getting good rules?

and this is why I don't consider GW "game designers" or "rules writers" since these could be fixed with a few damn seconds of thought or understanding of the game.

GW is a model company and not a games company.

**Daedalus81**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
Kirasu wrote:
Amazing that Word Bearers (already a faction no one uses) is nerfed in a book that is barely playable if you use power armor. What in the world is the purpose of this unit now? They were already pretty bad except with Berserkers and now they're downright terrible.

Again, to say GW has some kind of game design direction is saying that throwing spaghetti against the wall is evidence of a "pattern".

Is no one aware of the disciples boosting the roll? Do we always just just to stupid conclusions?

Because obviously the disciples aren't going to cost extra, right? And there's no way they're upping the pts for the apostle himself due to his new rules. No way.

Likely no more than 5 points and that's baseless conjecture.

I'll tell you what is true though. NO ONE used him before. Now we have an undeniable spellcaster with no less than 10 possible spells.

It is the best outcome for the DA and CSM.

**SlaveToDorkness**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Strg Alt wrote:
SlaveToDorkness wrote:
What hes saying is they boxed them to where you automatically are one short or have one too many. It IS a GW tactic to box things in a manner to force you to buy too much or suffer having not enough.

You hit the nail on the head.

Not at all. You are not one short or one too many. You have a unit of two. If you want to run a unit of three, buy more (which will allow you to run two units of two or one of three and one of one, so you certainly do not have one too many). If you don't want to buy more, then run the models you have.

Goddam... I hurt my eyes rolling them so hard at reading this. Obtuse Level: 1000.

Our point is, you can't buy the units maximum number due to the way it's packaged. Like hotdogs come in 12s and buns come in 8s... See Steve Martin in Parenthood.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Strg Alt wrote:
SlaveToDorkness wrote:
What hes saying is they boxed them to where you automatically are one short or have one too many. It IS a GW tactic to box things in a manner to force you to buy too much or suffer having not enough.

You hit the nail on the head.

I heard GW retains a mathematician on staff for this very purpose.

They don't let him write rules though.

**Strg Alt**

Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
[spoiler]

I'm getting one of these for my Alpha Legion Kill Team, naming him "Blane". He's gonna chew Lho leaves, and name that gun "Elder Without Pain".

Aka sexual tyrannosaurus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylnZ22mJuBw

**timd**

Nightlord1987 wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:

Also, what is that one disciple carrying on his back? Its not a book. But I can't figure out.

Looks like he is carrying a podium bookshelf when the DA neees to put the good book down.

Mobile lectern...

T

**Strg Alt**

Chikout wrote:
Chaos just got a little more bonkers!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/13/chaos-space-marines-focus-the-lord-discordant/

Christ, who is this Skeletor dude? Looks aweful.

**Souljet**

dogfender wrote:
Seems the design studio blew the opportunity to correct the horrible arm positioning/ anatomy of the terminators.
If it’s a choice to have the arms come out of their heads it’s a poor one lol

I thought I was the only person to notice how awful this is. It’s like they’ve gone backwards in time while every other new terminator sculpt in recent years has gone some way to trying to correct it. The helmet-less sergeant in particular is difficult to look at. His shoulders almost appear above his head

**Eldenfirefly**

There is so much CSM stuff coming out. I am absolutely loving it. So many options, so much additional ways to tweak and build our armies. I seriously don't get the negativity. We are getting lots of new models, and new and old units (revamped). New Malefic psychics, new prayer spells, a ton of new legion/renegade traits, a ton of new warlord traits, new relics, new formations, new strategems...

Its like Christmas for Chaos !!!! I am going to go on such a crazy buying spree... lol My wallet is going to hate me.