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Retribution wrote:Every race has elements of mary-sue in it (the hypocrisy is mind-boggling if you're an IoM fan)

Are you trying to say The Imperium is Mary Sueish? The most brutal. horrible place ever conceived to live for humans since Orwell's 1984? Maybe you have the term mary sue confused with Dystopia?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Retribution wrote:Every race has elements of mary-sue in it (the hypocrisy is mind-boggling if you're an IoM fan)

Are you trying to say The Imperium is Mary Sueish? The most brutal. horrible place ever conceived to live for humans since Orwell's 1984? Maybe you have the term mary sue confused with Dystopia?

Mary-sue in the sense that the IoM CAN NEVER LOSE because GW saiz so, that is mary-sue; not to mention the ungodly amount of Ultramarine jerk-off fluff, that's mary-sue

danp164 wrote:A freind of mine starting to play tau, he intends to model a Tau Ethereal as Emperor Palpatine.

I think the tau are morally ambivalent, I think its the ethereals that make them into communistic mass murderers. The Tau expansions were all at the behest of the Ethereals, the rail rifles being pushed into early use despite being lethally unstable to the user was due to the Ethereals.

Where is Kroothawk?
And I have to say, just by calling them communists you demonstrate your massive lack of understanding of the Tau, basic politics, and reasonable debate. At least try to come across as intelligent.

anon/rassilon wrote:

danp164 wrote:A freind of mine starting to play tau, he intends to model a Tau Ethereal as Emperor Palpatine.

I think the tau are morally ambivalent, I think its the ethereals that make them into communistic mass murderers. The Tau expansions were all at the behest of the Ethereals, the rail rifles being pushed into early use despite being lethally unstable to the user was due to the Ethereals.

Where is Kroothawk?
And I have to say, just by calling them communists you demonstrate your massive lack of understanding of the Tau, basic politics, and reasonable debate. At least try to come across as intelligent.

look at my signature

Tau are not utilitarians they're an oligarchy.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Tau are not utilitarians they're an oligarchy.

Those terms aren't mutually exclusive

i guess not. I've never heard Utilitarian used to describe a goverment type tough.

Again... people are taking this too seriously.

Just prove your points people and debate.

A debate does not involve mocking others, just because you're right (or wrong) doesn't mean you have to be a jerk about it.


ANYWHO!!!

Tau are not Communists!!!
I do believe this is at LEAST the third time LedaBot has had to pull out the "LOOK AT MY SIG" remark.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:i guess not. I've never heard Utilitarian used to describe a goverment type tough.

Because utilitarianism is a moral philosophy to live by, rather than a formal government structure; i've always likened the Tau to a Republican (Platonic) Oligarchy

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Tau are not Communists!!!
I do believe this is at LEAST the third time LedaBot has had to pull out the "LOOK AT MY SIG" remark.

You are spot on there

Right, so I would say Tau are not Communists they're an Oligarchy. The case for Utilitarian would have to be made to me. Sounds about as acurate as communist.

As for Republican doesn't that involve democracy? There's no democracy in Tauland. In fact the tau resemble Iran's royal oligachy more than anything.

Yes, all races have their evil sides and it depends greatly on where you stand and whether or not its called evil. (Except Chaos, im sure they know they are evil and like it.)

My point is, that I have read in multiple threads that Ethereals use pheromones to control the Tau. You simply CANNOT stop all disagreement in a race, without means of control. it just cant happen. I have yet to see anything that disproves that the Ethereals do this.

Also from where we are sitting at our computers I have to say, most of us would agree mid control is evil. IMO

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Right, so I would say Tau are not Communists they're an Oligarchy. The case for Utilitarian would have to be made to me. Sounds about as acurate as communist.

As for Republican doesn't that involve democracy? There's no democracy in Tauland. In fact the tau resemble Iran's royal oligachy more than anything.

Gonna have to argue otherwise, as per the following well though out paper/writeup.

http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6373&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=9d2b4e28b927b9f71dbf986b534d9e42&start=20

Scroll down until you find it, but in short the tau are:

A Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society ruled by Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies watching over Meritocratic Councils.

They aren't just an oligarchy, or anything else. It's more complex than just one word.

Oh yea and don't hate on the paper just because it's from a tau site. The guy provides excellent documentation for his claims.

juraigamer wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Right, so I would say Tau are not Communists they're an Oligarchy. The case for Utilitarian would have to be made to me. Sounds about as acurate as communist.

As for Republican doesn't that involve democracy? There's no democracy in Tauland. In fact the tau resemble Iran's royal oligachy more than anything.

Gonna have to argue otherwise, as per the following well though out paper/writeup.

http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6373&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=9d2b4e28b927b9f71dbf986b534d9e42&start=20

Scroll down until you find it, but in short the tau are:

A Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society ruled by Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies watching over Meritocratic Councils.

They aren't just an oligarchy, or anything else. It's more complex than just one word.

Oh yea and don't hate on the paper just because it's from a tau site. The guy provides excellent documentation for his claims.

And now i will update my sig

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Right, so I would say Tau are not Communists they're an Oligarchy. The case for Utilitarian would have to be made to me. Sounds about as acurate as communist.

As for Republican doesn't that involve democracy? There's no democracy in Tauland. In fact the tau resemble Iran's royal oligachy more than anything.

Utilitarianism is simply putting the greatest good for the greatest amount of people above all else, which, in a nut-shell, is the "Greater Good" itself; or putting the many above the few, so to say

A Platonic Republic, a state ruled by Philosopher kings (Ethereals), defended by warriors (Fire Warriors), and built by a labor class (Earth)

juraigamer wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Right, so I would say Tau are not Communists they're an Oligarchy. The case for Utilitarian would have to be made to me. Sounds about as acurate as communist.

As for Republican doesn't that involve democracy? There's no democracy in Tauland. In fact the tau resemble Iran's royal oligachy more than anything.

Gonna have to argue otherwise, as per the following well though out paper/writeup.

http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6373&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=9d2b4e28b927b9f71dbf986b534d9e42&start=20

Scroll down until you find it, but in short the tau are:

A Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society ruled by Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies watching over Meritocratic Councils.

They aren't just an oligarchy, or anything else. It's more complex than just one word.

Oh yea and don't hate on the paper just because it's from a tau site. The guy provides excellent documentation for his claims.

juraigamer wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Right, so I would say Tau are not Communists they're an Oligarchy. The case for Utilitarian would have to be made to me. Sounds about as acurate as communist.

As for Republican doesn't that involve democracy? There's no democracy in Tauland. In fact the tau resemble Iran's royal oligachy more than anything.

Gonna have to argue otherwise, as per the following well though out paper/writeup.

http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6373&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=9d2b4e28b927b9f71dbf986b534d9e42&start=20

Scroll down until you find it, but in short the tau are:

A Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society ruled by Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies watching over Meritocratic Councils.

They aren't just an oligarchy, or anything else. It's more complex than just one word.

Oh yea and don't hate on the paper just because it's from a tau site. The guy provides excellent documentation for his claims.

Ledabot wrote:

juraigamer wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Right, so I would say Tau are not Communists they're an Oligarchy. The case for Utilitarian would have to be made to me. Sounds about as acurate as communist.

As for Republican doesn't that involve democracy? There's no democracy in Tauland. In fact the tau resemble Iran's royal oligachy more than anything.

Gonna have to argue otherwise, as per the following well though out paper/writeup.

http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6373&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=9d2b4e28b927b9f71dbf986b534d9e42&start=20

Scroll down until you find it, but in short the tau are:

A Despotic Totalitarian Collectivist Imperialistic Utilitarianist Society ruled by Theocratic Hereditary Oligarchies watching over Meritocratic Councils.

They aren't just an oligarchy, or anything else. It's more complex than just one word.

Oh yea and don't hate on the paper just because it's from a tau site. The guy provides excellent documentation for his claims.

And now i will update my sig

Excellent! I agree with this assessment although i would throw in magic pixie dust into the mix too. As long as communism is out.


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Retribution wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Right, so I would say Tau are not Communists they're an Oligarchy. The case for Utilitarian would have to be made to me. Sounds about as acurate as communist.

As for Republican doesn't that involve democracy? There's no democracy in Tauland. In fact the tau resemble Iran's royal oligachy more than anything.

Utilitarianism is simply putting the greatest good for the greatest amount of people above all else, which, in a nut-shell, is the "Greater Good" itself; or putting the many above the few, so to say

A Platonic Republic, a state ruled by Philosopher kings (Ethereals), defended by warriors (Fire Warriors), and built by a labor class (Earth)

Do you intend utilitarianism to = Spockian "The Needs of the many must outweigh the needs of the few"?

Pheromones must be involved you say? What about suicide bombers or Bushidō(in regard to sacrificing oneself for the emperor). You have to stop thinking of the tau as blue people with hooves. They are not human, and thus it is doubtful they even think like we do. And anyhow, who cares if Pheromones, or mind control or even wizards were involved. None of those things are good reasons to hate a whole race....

Honestly, I like the tau cos' they are so different. They are not a fantasy cliché(at least none that i can think of) and get alot of hate due to the fact people haven't seen anything like them before. Oh yeah, and they have robot suits.... which are to Asian when compared to the other races robot suits.

Bossasaurus wrote: And anyhow, who cares if Pheromones, or mind control or even wizards were involved.

Wizards you say? Hmmm why does this sound like an awesome idea? Tau WIZARD auxiliaries.

Bossasaurus wrote:Pheromones must be involved you say? What about suicide bombers or Bushidō(in regard to sacrificing oneself for the emperor). You have to stop thinking of the tau as blue people with hooves. They are not human, and thus it is doubtful they even think like we do. And anyhow, who cares if Pheromones, or mind control or even wizards were involved. None of those things are good reasons to hate a whole race....

Honestly, I like the tau cos' they are so different. They are not a fantasy cliché(at least none that i can think of) and get alot of hate due to the fact people haven't seen anything like them before. Oh yeah, and they have robot suits.... which are to Asian when compared to the other races robot suits.

Anime robot suits....yes.....how crazy original.

This is getting old. Some people hate tau, some people love them.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Bossasaurus wrote:Pheromones must be involved you say? What about suicide bombers or Bushidō(in regard to sacrificing oneself for the emperor). You have to stop thinking of the tau as blue people with hooves. They are not human, and thus it is doubtful they even think like we do. And anyhow, who cares if Pheromones, or mind control or even wizards were involved. None of those things are good reasons to hate a whole race....

Honestly, I like the tau cos' they are so different. They are not a fantasy cliché(at least none that i can think of) and get alot of hate due to the fact people haven't seen anything like them before. Oh yeah, and they have robot suits.... which are to Asian when compared to the other races robot suits.

Anime robot suits....yes.....how crazy original.

They provide more alien variety in a universe that is quite lacking in that regard, no need to be a jerk about it

@KamikazeCanuck The suits are anime(to an extent). Thats what i was implying. They are not incredibly anime, just they are high tech mechanical exo suits. Unfortunately, we tend to only see these suits in anime so thus the 'tau were made for anime fanboys' line. Japanese influences are present in the tau, so 'mecha' seem somewhat logical.

Annoying racist peoples, and why do people dislike anime anyway. I don’t watch it but what’s so bad about it, apart from the different language, and just so everybody knows, I started tau because of the XV25 suits, not the big 'anime' XV8 suits.

Retribution wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Bossasaurus wrote:Pheromones must be involved you say? What about suicide bombers or Bushidō(in regard to sacrificing oneself for the emperor). You have to stop thinking of the tau as blue people with hooves. They are not human, and thus it is doubtful they even think like we do. And anyhow, who cares if Pheromones, or mind control or even wizards were involved. None of those things are good reasons to hate a whole race....

Honestly, I like the tau cos' they are so different. They are not a fantasy cliché(at least none that i can think of) and get alot of hate due to the fact people haven't seen anything like them before. Oh yeah, and they have robot suits.... which are to Asian when compared to the other races robot suits.

Anime robot suits....yes.....how crazy original.

They provide more alien variety in a universe that is quite lacking in that regard, no need to be a jerk about it

Bossasaurus wrote:@KamikazeCanuck The suits are anime(to an extent). Thats what i was implying. They are not incredibly anime, just they are high tech mechanical exo suits. Unfortunately, we tend to only see these suits in anime so thus the 'tau were made for anime fanboys' line. Japanese influences are present in the tau, so 'mecha' seem somewhat logical.

Don't put words in my mouth. Retribution said "people haven't seen anything like them before." to which I'm replying yes actually we have. Anime has been known to have a robot suit or two.

agean, whats with the anime hate?

I don't like anime at all. I mean i liked death note, but that was it. I like tau, because of the visual look and how different they are from all the other races. Heh, but i'm a heretic at heart.

I like anime when its good. I liked Death Note a lot too but I haven't seen the anime just the live action one.

Imo its the only anime worth watching. All the other ones seem to have the same plot.

what i can gather is you dont hate anime (much) but you hate tau because it looks like anime. What can i say about this. I cant think of the word.

I think the word you're looking for is "hypocrite"
But what do i know