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According to the unboxing below, 227 or 240 points.
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/03/40k-forgebane-unboxed.html

Any idea how big the Armiger is compared to the GK Dreadknight? I've seen it in relation to a Knight, but I don't have as much of an inkling when it comes to the Dreadknight.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Any idea how big the Armiger is compared to the GK Dreadknight? I've seen it in relation to a Knight, but I don't have as much of an inkling when it comes to the Dreadknight.

I've heard they're very similar in size, to the point that you could put Warglaive legs on a Dreadknight body and it'd be proportioned fine.

From Facebook, a more official size comparison, in lovely House Griffith colours:



Also, the following statement from GW:

We're seeing a common theme in the questions here folks - namely will these brand new Imperial Knight Armiger Warglaives fall to the force of Chaos, or be seen on the battlefields of the Age of Darkness.

We've not heard of any plans for either of those courses of action at the moment, though if we do hear anything we'll be sharing it right here on Facebook.

The more I look at the Armiger, the more I wish they had regular legs not chicken legs. The torso and arms are fine, but I wish the legs looked more like the full size Knight.

This knight looks very AdMech, cogs on her shoulders and ankle armours, AdMech looking faces. But all those parts and the weapons are in the same sprue so an alternative kit would mean one sprue change, they've done the same with the repulsor tank, all the weapons are on one sprue. hope it means they have more options planned but it could just be future proofing it. They do need to make a more medieval looking knight,y knight to fit in the big knight kit I think.

Most likely it wouldn't be a sprue change. What they did for regular knights when they came out with the extra variants beyond Paladin and Errant was to ADD a sprue with all the other options. I would expect Armigers' full kit to just include that extra sprue from the start when they get released separately.

 BrookM wrote:
Also, the following statement from GW:

We're seeing a common theme in the questions here folks - namely will these brand new Imperial Knight Armiger Warglaives fall to the force of Chaos, or be seen on the battlefields of the Age of Darkness.

We've not heard of any plans for either of those courses of action at the moment, though if we do hear anything we'll be sharing it right here on Facebook.

Nice to see a "official" pic of the Armiger in the colours of a non cogboy house. But I cant see FW not doing something with the new Knights, especially once they get the Heresy train back on track.

 mmzero252 wrote:
Most likely it wouldn't be a sprue change. What they did for regular knights when they came out with the extra variants beyond Paladin and Errant was to ADD a sprue with all the other options. I would expect Armigers' full kit to just include that extra sprue from the start when they get released separately.

Personally I think what is in the Forgebane box is the full kit for the Armiger Warglaive. More weapon options would be nice, but I think they will come with a different Armiger variant. The situation with the regular IK kit is mostly due to the sprue layout, where the Paladin/Errant weapons are mixed in with parts for the main body.

Andykp wrote:
This knight looks very AdMech, cogs on her shoulders and ankle armours, AdMech looking faces. But all those parts and the weapons are in the same sprue so an alternative kit would mean one sprue change, they've done the same with the repulsor tank, all the weapons are on one sprue. hope it means they have more options planned but it could just be future proofing it. They do need to make a more medieval looking knight,y knight to fit in the big knight kit I think.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the problem with "cogs". Square cuts on the fringe of cloth were common decoration in medieval times and the look kinda fits actual medieval squire too:



So, yeah, I don't see them redoing the sprues to change the look or make more than one Armiger box. They might make Armiger+ kit later, similar how they changed IK box, with an extra sprue, but I don't see them wasting limited space in the stores for a year at least, and that from the release of Armiger box a few months down the road from now...

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
Most likely it wouldn't be a sprue change. What they did for regular knights when they came out with the extra variants beyond Paladin and Errant was to ADD a sprue with all the other options. I would expect Armigers' full kit to just include that extra sprue from the start when they get released separately.

Personally I think what is in the Forgebane box is the full kit for the Armiger Warglaive. More weapon options would be nice, but I think they will come with a different Armiger variant. The situation with the regular IK kit is mostly due to the sprue layout, where the Paladin/Errant weapons are mixed in with parts for the main body.

True, but it will most likely end up as an "Armiger Kit" That can make all the variations.It would be extremely unlike GW to make 3 different kits for one type of thing for example.

Sad to see it doesn't really lose the AdMech look in non-AdMech colours. Just too many Admech design elements, including the Dragoon-style legs, head, etc..

A real miss of an opportunity. IMO, Non-AdMech Knight armies need the diversity much more than AdMech with Knight (and various other robots). A shame.

I think the heads, regardless of allegiance, will not receive face plates like their larger brothers. It may be something reserved only for the nobles.

The legs take some cues from the Forge World Cerastus range as well, these suits are also faster than the regular patterns of armour.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Sad to see it doesn't really lose the AdMech look in non-AdMech colours. Just too many Admech design elements, including the Dragoon-style legs, head, etc..

A real miss of an opportunity. IMO, Non-AdMech Knight armies need the diversity much more than AdMech with Knight (and various other robots). A shame.

in fairness the admech produces vehicles for every IoM faction, so there SHOULD be similer design elements. iKnights and titans have some clearly borrowed elements from each other, IMHO it's jarring when a IOM faction DOESN'T have that similer aestetic (see the FW custodes tanks)

BrianDavion wrote:


in fairness the admech produces vehicles for every IoM faction, so there SHOULD be similer design elements. iKnights and titans have some clearly borrowed elements from each other, IMHO it's jarring when a IOM faction DOESN'T have that similer aestetic (see the FW custodes tanks)

To be fair, that entire AdMech stuff is easily among the weakest parts of the 40K background. Different factions have different aesthetics. Guard looks different than Space Marine who looks different than Custodes. Etc.. Background aside, as a miniature-collecting hobby, it's important to have distinction as much as similarities that tie it together (i.e. Eldar and Dark Eldar also share design elements, while having a distinct difference in aesthetic as well). The overall AdMech aesthetic in Kataphrons, Skitarii, etc.. is a different one and not one I was looking for when I bought a Knight. I bought them for the chivalry theme. I never bought AdMech, mainly because I don't like the look (or background) of that particular (sub-)faction.

Since a Knight aesthetic outside AdMech was established, it would have been nice if GW didn't suddenly forget about it (change the background if you must, though I don't think it is necessary. Knight Houses could have simply adopted them to their needs or gotten them for some other places than AdMech). \

Not a huge issue, of course. Probably just saves me money, since Knights are hardly an army I field very often these days. But I just really like the theme and background of Knights (who, as you said, don't really need more AdMech connection than Space Marines or Catachans to work). Maybe there's a surprise with a non-AdMech Knight Codex coming, but as has been pointed out, the Armiger kit does not seem to support that. So that is disappointing (to me).

Scarey Nerd wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Any idea how big the Armiger is compared to the GK Dreadknight? I've seen it in relation to a Knight, but I don't have as much of an inkling when it comes to the Dreadknight.

I've heard they're very similar in size, to the point that you could put Warglaive legs on a Dreadknight body and it'd be proportioned fine.

Cool, the reason I was wondering is that you could always go with a Dreamforge 1/100 scale Leviathan as a stand in if you wanted something that looked more "Knighty", comparative to how much more Ad-Mech this looks. Just an option available.

Alternatively, you might also be able to cobble together something from the Russian Tehnolog figures for very cheap as an alternative, though it might not look as impressive, lol.

 BrookM wrote:
I think the heads, regardless of allegiance, will not receive face plates like their larger brothers. It may be something reserved only for the nobles.

The legs take some cues from the Forge World Cerastus range as well, these suits are also faster than the regular patterns of armour.

I would agree about the Ceratus range similarities, but they missed the part that makes that range look GOOD. The fact Cerastus knights have a chest, their heads aren't ugly, and lastly most of their legs are armored..

 Quickjager wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I think the heads, regardless of allegiance, will not receive face plates like their larger brothers. It may be something reserved only for the nobles.

The legs take some cues from the Forge World Cerastus range as well, these suits are also faster than the regular patterns of armour.

I would agree about the Ceratus range similarities, but they missed the part that makes that range look GOOD. The fact Cerastus knights have a chest, their heads aren't ugly, and lastly most of their legs are armored..

I wish it had a little more cerastus in it. would have been cool for an atrapos aesthetic tho.

I think it really needs different shoulder plated and a face cage of some sort to fit in with the non ad mech knight house holds. I really liked that the knight kit could let you build a noble helmeted knight or a robotic looking thing.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Any idea how big the Armiger is compared to the GK Dreadknight? I've seen it in relation to a Knight, but I don't have as much of an inkling when it comes to the Dreadknight.

The comparison pics I found are literally one page back...

Andykp wrote:
I think it really needs different shoulder plated and a face cage of some sort to fit in with the non ad mech knight house holds. I really liked that the knight kit could let you build a noble helmeted knight or a robotic looking thing.

Do we even know how the heads on sprue look like? IIRC there are 4, and we saw what, 2 so far? 3 at best? The complains will sure look silly if fourth was 'knightly' one and GW didn't use it just because the game uses AM colours and aesthetic for marketing

All 4 heads are robotic - no knightly helms

Can anyone with the 7th ed Necron codex tell me how many points of Necrons you would get in the Forgebane box if you were playing them in 7th?

 emptyhat wrote:
Can anyone with the 7th ed Necron codex tell me how many points of Necrons you would get in the Forgebane box if you were playing them in 7th?

395 on the low end, 480 with maxed out gear and unit choice (deathmarks over immortals, lychguard with sword/shield over praetorians).

Mchagen wrote:

 emptyhat wrote:
Can anyone with the 7th ed Necron codex tell me how many points of Necrons you would get in the Forgebane box if you were playing them in 7th?

395 on the low end, 480 with maxed out gear and unit choice (deathmarks over immortals, lychguard with sword/shield over praetorians).

Ta very much. Might be worth splitting it with someone so I can do a 500 point set up for my mini-game series.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The more I look at the Armiger, the more I wish they had regular legs not chicken legs. The torso and arms are fine, but I wish the legs looked more like the full size Knight.

Yea, I'm feeling the same way. I wonder if something can be done using the Dreadknight legs?

 Irbis wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Any idea how big the Armiger is compared to the GK Dreadknight? I've seen it in relation to a Knight, but I don't have as much of an inkling when it comes to the Dreadknight.

The comparison pics I found are literally one page back...

That's a Dreadnought and a Knight, but I was looking for a comparison with a Dreadknight

I still think the Dreamforge 15mm Leviathan will be a great comparison with the Armiger. I'll have to look for some on sale methinks.

Or, if you want to go really cheap, the Tehnolog Gryphon will be a very cheap stand-in:

https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTExNFgxNjAw/z/FZUAAOSwnHZYh4Xj/$/Gryphon-fast-attack-interdictor-warstrider-by-Tehnolog-from-_57.jpg

The actual legs themselves are the same design as the Knight legs, it's just that the armour panels are so drastically different (and maybe the posing, too?).

 Fenriswulf wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Any idea how big the Armiger is compared to the GK Dreadknight? I've seen it in relation to a Knight, but I don't have as much of an inkling when it comes to the Dreadknight.

The comparison pics I found are literally one page back...

That's a Dreadnought and a Knight, but I was looking for a comparison with a Dreadknight

I still think the Dreamforge 15mm Leviathan will be a great comparison with the Armiger. I'll have to look for some on sale methinks.

Or, if you want to go really cheap, the Tehnolog Gryphon will be a very cheap stand-in:

https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/MTExNFgxNjAw/z/FZUAAOSwnHZYh4Xj/$/Gryphon-fast-attack-interdictor-warstrider-by-Tehnolog-from-_57.jpg

I just looked at that myself. I scaled the image of the Armiger on my screen so it was life-sized. DF leviathan would be too big I think.

This new Necron HQ guy looks just terrible. Gone is the killer machine vibe. Here comes the egyptian goof squad...

Why couldn´t they put normal legs on the Armiger? Epic fail!

 Strg Alt wrote:
This new Necron HQ guy looks just terrible. Gone is the killer machine vibe. Here comes the egyptian goof squad...

Why couldn´t they put normal legs on the Armiger? Epic fail!

Because the Armiger is a scouting Knight built for speed, the leg design supports that better than the standard Knight legs. Also, not seeing the issue with the Cryptek, they've always been different look ever since the heavy metal pose model.

 Strg Alt wrote:
This new Necron HQ guy looks just terrible. Gone is the killer machine vibe. Here comes the egyptian goof squad...

Why couldn´t they put normal legs on the Armiger? Epic fail!

The legs themselves are the exact same design as the existing GW Imperial Knights, it's just that the armour plates and posing is different.
The lack of kneepads, the half-sized shin plates and the chicken-walker thigh plates just completely hide that fact.