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I'm referring to the Thagrosh using his feat to bring back typhon and or any other predominant beastie that the oppenant is using. So far I can only think of one.
Use Primal Hexeris, pulling your forces you can beat typhon, preferably if using the warcaster himself, then popping his feat to return Typhon to the feild as his own for the turn. Then Typhon should be removed from the game.
Though this is typically will put a giant hole in your forces as well as limit your strategies. So if anyone can provide a bit of a safer route to stop the resurrection of Typhon/just countering Thagrosh in general then that would really help.

Almost every army that I can think of has some way of removing a piece from the table. Is there a specific faction that you're interested in knowing about or something more general?
For instance, Trollblood players have many beasts that "snack" on living creatures. "Snacking" removes the model from play so that Thagrosh can not bring it back.

 shroud010 wrote:
I'm referring to the Thagrosh using his feat to bring back typhon and or any other predominant beastie that the oppenant is using. So far I can only think of one.
Use Primal Hexeris, pulling your forces you can beat typhon, preferably if using the warcaster himself, then popping his feat to return Typhon to the feild as his own for the turn. Then Typhon should be removed from the game.
Though this is typically will put a giant hole in your forces as well as limit your strategies. So if anyone can provide a bit of a safer route to stop the resurrection of Typhon/just countering Thagrosh in general then that would really help.

I usually just count on having to kill Typhon twice.

 malfred wrote:

 shroud010 wrote:
I'm referring to the Thagrosh using his feat to bring back typhon and or any other predominant beastie that the oppenant is using. So far I can only think of one.
Use Primal Hexeris, pulling your forces you can beat typhon, preferably if using the warcaster himself, then popping his feat to return Typhon to the feild as his own for the turn. Then Typhon should be removed from the game.
Though this is typically will put a giant hole in your forces as well as limit your strategies. So if anyone can provide a bit of a safer route to stop the resurrection of Typhon/just countering Thagrosh in general then that would really help.

I usually just count on having to kill Typhon twice.

malfred's got the correct solution here.

Even if you prevent him from bringing Typhon back, he can still bring something else back. You're at best forcing him to pop the Carnivean or the like back into place, that's making the feat marginally worse. Ultimately trying to prevent the feat is going to prove a difficult gimmick at best. You're better off planning to basically hammer away at an extra heavy beast or getting around the attrition game by blitzing Thags for the caster kill, or going for the scenario. You really want to avoid a drawn out game, as pThags does will in the attrition game especially in comparison to many other hordes casters.

Oh right, I got it. Goreshade.

Goreshade? He doesn't RFP. And Snacking only RFPs Warrior models, not Warbeasts IIRC.

 AduroT wrote:
Goreshade? He doesn't RFP. And Snacking only RFPs Warrior models, not Warbeasts IIRC.

He prevents feats with a spell.

Ah, right, that spell, the one that leaves you Unstealthed and nearly empty of Focus. =D

But seriously, I'd be Very careful using that spell as it requires you to get close and leave yourself more vulnerable.

Personally I'm waiting to fight pThags with my Corruptor, which RFPs with it's gun and melee attacks. We'll see who's mocking my Corruptor then!

eCaine's feat I believe RFP whatever he destroys. Of course, then you can't use it on pThags.

Well I just wanted strategies that help keeps a Pthagrosh player at bay with his feat even if I took out his Typhon/*insert powerful warbeast here*. Thats just one way I found to eliminate fighting something once all over again.

Thing is if your killing his beasts, your going to be up on him.

If he brings back Typon.. Typon stands there doing nothing for a turn. That gives you a turn to position to where you need.

 AduroT wrote:
Goreshade? He doesn't RFP. And Snacking only RFPs Warrior models, not Warbeasts IIRC.

Snacking is any living model. As long as nothing has made Typhon undead, he's a snack.

I had a game against eDoomie with my pThags list, and although I made a game of it, snacking stole my feat. Snacking really hurts this list simply because of how we attain such high armor. Spiny growth will ensure they have dmg so snacking WILL trigger. Its bad times.

pThags is one of our best attrition casters in that he forces you to remove his beasts one at a time due to high arm and his feat. If you can take that away from him, its GG.

Also, what Spyder said is correct. We bring one back, but thats an entire turn of doing nothing. It gives you time to position and probably focus fire on the other beasts/key pieces needed to trade. pThag's game generally hinges on being able to piece trade in his favor.

Just consider thags army as 1 more heavy beast than you see.... I'd try to not kill the beast he wants you to; perhaps force him to feat for something worse

Since most of his lists center around a combination of Typhon, a Scythian, a Ravagore, or a Carnivean it's kinda hard to say there's something worse for him to feat for.

@ronin: True enough, perhaps try and kill 2 at once if possible. He seems to play a lot like Skorne; lots of heavies, little of anything else

 Zid wrote:
@ronin: True enough, perhaps try and kill 2 at once if possible. He seems to play a lot like Skorne; lots of heavies, little of anything else

Hey. Sometimes it's worth it to bring back that damn harrier.

Bringing back a beast also gives you their animus to use again

Can be lots of benefits to that... Expecially when pThagrosh gets to cast 1 a turn for free ?

 Zid wrote:
@ronin: True enough, perhaps try and kill 2 at once if possible. He seems to play a lot like Skorne; lots of heavies, little of anything else

Have you ever played Absylonia? She plays like Skorne more than Skorne does.


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 Spyder68 wrote:
Bringing back a beast also gives you their animus to use again

Can be lots of benefits to that... Expecially when pThagrosh gets to cast 1 a turn for free ?

Spiny Growth and Draconic Blessing on Typhon, add a succubus to get Spiny Growth on Thags for free.

Game, set, match.

 Chowderhead wrote:

 Zid wrote:
@ronin: True enough, perhaps try and kill 2 at once if possible. He seems to play a lot like Skorne; lots of heavies, little of anything else

Have you ever played Absylonia? She plays like Skorne more than Skorne does.


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 Spyder68 wrote:
Bringing back a beast also gives you their animus to use again

Can be lots of benefits to that... Expecially when pThagrosh gets to cast 1 a turn for free ?

Spiny Growth and Draconic Blessing on Typhon, add a succubus to get Spiny Growth on Thags for free.

Game, set, match.

My experience with Legion is limited to what I read up on My buddy has the 2 player legion half, but hasn't fielded it yet. Legions not too popular (yet) in our meta here in Albuquerque... still building a community!

Typhon is ok, but he lacks pathfinder and reach, and you're already spending a ton on the Carni. I don't see the benefit in him with pThags that a Scythean/Carni/Ravagore combo doesn't fulfill. His sprays are nice, but not entirely necessary not to mention his pathetic ARM 17. Even with SG and in range of pThags STR debuff, its an effective ARM 21. I prefer ARM 22 Also, he doesn't hit any harder than a Scythean who is 3 pts cheaper. He does have 3 guaranteed initials and mat 7 which is very good, but is generally out threatened by other heavies with a charge range of 9.5 (No PF).

The succubus is a fantastic model and helps him spam SG on all his heavies and himself as you walk up the board while also upkeeping a spell for free. I don't leave home without her in his lists.


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Also, as a note if you choose to run pThags, know what to avoid match-up wise.

Purification is a hard counter to his list. Say good bye to all your buffs, animi and basically anything he brings to the table.

Snacking/Trolls - Not a great match as Spiny Growth causes a D3 dmg to a troll with each attack, which guarantees they'll trigger snacking and RFP your heavies when they are destroyed, making it impossible to bring them back with the feat.

Remove From Play (RFP) - RFP screws his feat over hard, so be aware of what models/abilities have it and circumvent them as soon as possible. An RFP'ed Cani is bad times.

Upkeep/Animi Removal/Hate. He is reliant upon animi to function as he plays a hard Attrition game, but models like Eyryss and any other kind of upkeep hate or animus removal is bad times. Focus fire on those models early to eleviate a head ache later in the game.

I'm trying to remember the last time I saw a person play Typhon... I think it was nearly two years ago in a 20pt Mangled Metal Hardcore at Warmachine Weekend. Was in a pVayl list.

@ Hivemind. The reason to take Typhon with Thagrosh is simple. Excessive Healing for free on Thagrosh, and the Affinity.

I've played against that combo numerous times and anything close to Thagrosh, especially Typhon is very difficult to kill.
You cannot nickle and dime either one.
So you need to hit very hard, over spending your resources to kill Typhon, only to see him brought back to full.
If you keep Typhon near Thags, he stays effective ARM 19.
Hit him with anything less than a P+S17, you might actually help him due to Excessive Healing.

My only win vs Thagrosh was with Garryth.
That was largely because of Grievous Wounds preventing Transfer and an extremely good damage roll on the charge attack.

Using Typhon as an infantry clearer with his higher def and sprays, and a Carnivean as a beatstick is the way I would play it.
Keeping Typhon protected where possible for use as a transfer sink would also be a consideration.
With Excessive Healing, and Death Shroud, you don't need to worry about most infantry attacks.
Plus an auto 3 regeneration when he activates.
Have a Harrier in for the Thagrosh True Strike Assassin run late game.

I take Typhon in my Abby lists.

I will freely admit he's a bit squishy there, but I'm a little unconventional in my Abby lists (I tend to also take two Carniveans).