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From the Chapter Approved thread:

hintzy wrote:
In the most recent Signals from the Front Line Reece said his AdMech army dropped in cost by three digits. Of course he wouldn't specify anything further other than to say he could afford several additional units. He didn't say which units those would be of course. He also said his army is composed of less frequently used units.

That's not terribly useful information, but at least it pertains directly to the topic.

TOLL THE GREAT BELL ONCE

Here is the segment:
https://youtu.be/WBQ2FQn93Io?t=3142

Unless he uses Servitors, this is good news.

 Aaranis wrote:
TOLL THE GREAT BELL ONCE

I love how Skitarii are so very close to space Skaven.

He says he uses a lot of units that other people don't use - so that'll be Ruststalkers and Servitors - but if they become more usable units that's not so bad surely?

Pretty sure the rumours have talked about a Legio Cybernetica detachment for Vigilus, so don't get your hopes up too far.

Suzuteo wrote:
Yeah. Move Move Move is great. We have to pay 1 CP and take Stygies to get a single 9" move on turn one. I think all Skitarii should just get that for free. It would be the 7E scout move.

Honestly, thinking about how many cooler tricks we had in 7E just makes me a bit mad.

Yea, I hear you. Preferred enemy, scout, worthy arc rifles, hitting on two's for every skitarii soldier for at least three turns in a row, squadron onagers, scout, higher rate of fire plasma rifles, relentless, giant bubble of hate from infiltrators, doing extra wounds to the squad your shooting at rather than just a model with rad, AP 4 galvanic rifles...

Being able to use hh 30k models in their own army instead of mechanicus with compatible rules with the hope of getting said rules in 40k maybe...

Now I'm salty.


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Tastyfish wrote:
He says he uses a lot of units that other people don't use - so that'll be Ruststalkers and Servitors - but if they become more usable units that's not so bad surely?

Pretty sure the rumours have talked about a Legio Cybernetica detachment for Vigilus, so don't get your hopes up too far.

You know, didn't that black stone fortress robot have a new keyword involving robots in the imperium? Makes you think doesn't it...

Tastyfish wrote:
He says he uses a lot of units that other people don't use - so that'll be Ruststalkers and Servitors - but if they become more usable units that's not so bad surely?

Could also mean Corpuscarii priests I would think, who are underrated atm anyway but whom a cost drop would help even further. Also punchy robots and arguably ironstriders.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Pomguo wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Skitarii Vanguard should really be 7 points like Rangers are.

Should rangers then be 6? Vanguard are definitely a small cut above rangers, given their debuff aura and better weapons. Would be nice if Rangers’ rifles got something like -1AP at more than half range to make their gun worth a damn and symergise with the arquebus and their general role as snipers (though the arquebus needs D3 shots or a massive points drop).

That debuff aura isn't exactly the greatest tool ever, and both weapons have their advantages.

They really should be the same price.

The debuff you notice more if you combine with other imperial factions

U02dah4 wrote:
The debuff you notice more if you combine with other imperial factions

If they change minus to hit into cover save bonuses, Skitarii + Custodes might be a thing.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
Yea, I hear you. Preferred enemy, scout, worthy arc rifles, hitting on two's for every skitarii soldier for at least three turns in a row, squadron onagers, scout, higher rate of fire plasma rifles, relentless, giant bubble of hate from infiltrators, doing extra wounds to the squad your shooting at rather than just a model with rad, AP 4 galvanic rifles...

Let's not forget... WarCon. Free toys that never get hot. Funny how that wasn't not even the most OP thing in 7E.

Anyhow, I feel that AdMech lost a lot of its identity with the new codex. Hoping for some core rule changes.

Pomguo wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:
He says he uses a lot of units that other people don't use - so that'll be Ruststalkers and Servitors - but if they become more usable units that's not so bad surely?

Could also mean Corpuscarii priests I would think, who are underrated atm anyway but whom a cost drop would help even further. Also punchy robots and arguably ironstriders.

Maybe, but think if you're looking for big savings it'll be rust stalkers and destroyers. Breachers might come down a bit (with torsion), but there's not a ton of points they could shave off the arc.

Triple figures to me means several units are coming down by 20+ points and that'd be a lot of priests - especially if chapter approved doesn't take into account the beta rules that aren't in force, so Stygies and Termites still work.
So some 5-10 points drops on priests, maybe vanguard. Big drops on Kataphrons to bring the rest in line with the still not taken Arc Breachers (hopefully a boost to the Heavy Arc, this CA has datasheets or so the rumours go) and Ruststalkers, with a smattering of other points drops elsewhere.

Just wondering, these new special detachments are only for open play in Vigilus campaign, right?

Nope, matched play too. Though they're paying CP to access alternative faction abilities basically from the look of the ork one (different WL trait, relic, strats etc).
Maybe some extra bonus with some units getting a double trait at the very most.

Tastyfish wrote:
Nope, matched play too. Though they're paying CP to access alternative faction abilities basically from the look of the ork one (different WL trait, relic, strats etc).
Maybe some extra bonus with some units getting a double trait at the very most.

I'm less so, I imagine with "Legio Cybernetica" being the rumoured minifaction it'd be focused on taking Robots without Mars (given Stygies is the Vigilus faction).
And we've already got a few Robot strats.

For the record, Orks get roll 3D6 and pick the highest for Bonebreaker Deathrollers, embark and disembark the same turn with boyz (no charging) and double range of the shooty Gunwagon.
Relic lets Blitz brigade units reroll 1s to hit a target within 6" of the warlords target.

Trick I think would be to make it so they're not compatible with the Martian buffs.

Tastyfish wrote:
I'm less so, I imagine with "Legio Cybernetica" being the rumoured minifaction it'd be focused on taking Robots without Mars (given Stygies is the Vigilus faction).
And we've already got a few Robot strats.

I wouldn't read a whole hell of a lot into the "Legio Cybernetica" as a minifaction. Rumor is there's a Kastelan Robot "Detachment", but it sounds like it's a rehash of the Cohort Cybernetica formation from 7th.

Although I would be a damned happy Stygian if we got a new character or (prayers to the Omnissiah be answered!) a Skitarii HQ.

My expectations I think are appropriately levelled.

Faction ability (that applies only to robots and datasmiths) WL trait, relic, 1-3 strats for robots - in a similar vein to the battlewagon ones.

Where can I find the ork rumors? Those sound pretty interesting!

Also, formations are dead, long live formations.

 Suzuteo wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
TOLL THE GREAT BELL ONCE

I love how Skitarii are so very close to space Skaven.

They both love to blow stuff up indeed.

I still hope for SEVERE point reduction on the Kastelan Fists. I played a friendly 2500 pts game the other day against Night Lords where I infiltrated two Fistelans (does that sound weird ?), the Datasmith and 3 Dragoons, and got first turn. The Robots almost blew a Land Raider up by themselves (with reroll 1s to hit as Canticle) by hitting twice and the Datasmith made a hardcore show of dominance by stripping 6 wounds off a Rhino. Now afterwards I remembered about that useless Power Fist relic that would've made me inflict two more mortal wounds.

Long story short I love my berserk Datasmith and if there's point reductions on Kastelan Fists and a Cybernetica Formation with nice rules I'll be a happy man.

Honestly I would accept their points is if they gained +1 ballistic skill and weapon skill and some defense in close combat. Hitting on fours is just bizarre for someone whose HH robots hit on 2+ in shooting!

Plus, since we lost the ability to move and shoot without penalty like last edition, I would love for some more accuracy outside of a stratagem.

I played Cohort Cybernetica competitively in 7th so I'd love for it to come back. Thank you for reading my blog poast.

Servitor Maniple and Cohort Cybernetica are our two specials.

 Kanluwen wrote:


Servitor Maniple and Cohort Cybernetica are our two specials.

So I'm going to guess Cohort Cybernetica is at least similar to the 7th version but no idea about the Servitor Maniple, I mean Kataphron are technically battle servitors so they could be part of that as well.

 Kanluwen wrote:


Servitor Maniple and Cohort Cybernetica are our two specials.

well that's awesome. We got two formations now! I really want to see some leaks...

but, what the heck is that servo skull doing? Blocking text on purpose? covering spoils?

THat'd be weird, since thet Neo-Vollum text is shown in the preview..

Also, if with Servitor Maniple they mean Kataphrons - awesome.
However, if they mean the old 2 ppm Servitors... I am... aggravated.

 Thairne wrote:
THat'd be weird, since thet Neo-Vollum text is shown in the preview..

Also, if with Servitor Maniple they mean Kataphrons - awesome.
However, if they mean the old 2 ppm Servitors... I am... aggravated.

only new plastic models get new rules

 axisofentropy wrote:

 Thairne wrote:
THat'd be weird, since thet Neo-Vollum text is shown in the preview..

Also, if with Servitor Maniple they mean Kataphrons - awesome.
However, if they mean the old 2 ppm Servitors... I am... aggravated.

only new plastic models get new rules

If one of those formations is centered around using those decrepid old disgusting models they just proved they’ve totally lost their gak.

Yeah I figure they mean Kataphrons if they say "Servitors". Maybe a variation of the Acquisitorius from 7th ?

Glad to see the rumours about the Cybernetics being true. These formations could prove really fun if they made significant point changes on top of that.

I should be able to have a look at both books next Tuesday, I'll keep you guys in touch if everything didn't get leaked by Youtubers un the meantime.

 Aaranis wrote:
Yeah I figure they mean Kataphrons if they say "Servitors". Maybe a variation of the Acquisitorius from 7th ?

Glad to see the rumours about the Cybernetics being true. These formations could prove really fun if they made significant point changes on top of that.

I should be able to have a look at both books next Tuesday, I'll keep you guys in touch if everything didn't get leaked by Youtubers un the meantime.

A cybernetica formation is just them admitting they screwed up on the synergy when they just smashed skitarii and cult mechanicus into one book without any thought whatsover as to how they would function together.

Octovol wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
Yeah I figure they mean Kataphrons if they say "Servitors". Maybe a variation of the Acquisitorius from 7th ?

Glad to see the rumours about the Cybernetics being true. These formations could prove really fun if they made significant point changes on top of that.

I should be able to have a look at both books next Tuesday, I'll keep you guys in touch if everything didn't get leaked by Youtubers un the meantime.

A cybernetica formation is just them admitting they screwed up on the synergy when they just smashed skitarii and cult mechanicus into one book without any thought whatsover as to how they would function together.

I don't deny they screwed up but I don't see how this is them admitting they did ?

Does anyone know why they post a Mechanicus related pic regarding Vigilius on their FB page? Maybe an announcement?

 lash92 wrote:
Does anyone know why they post a Mechanicus related pic regarding Vigilius on their FB page? Maybe an announcement?

It's a Warhound Titan in the pic so if it is linked to whatever they would announce I'm not even interested Titans have no business in 8th.

Otherwise I don't know, we pretty much have the summary of the Vigilus book so this post seems odd. Maybe just a fluff post ?

 Aaranis wrote:

 lash92 wrote:
Does anyone know why they post a Mechanicus related pic regarding Vigilius on their FB page? Maybe an announcement?

It's a Warhound Titan in the pic so if it is linked to whatever they would announce I'm not even interested Titans have no business in 8th.

Otherwise I don't know, we pretty much have the summary of the Vigilus book so this post seems odd. Maybe just a fluff post ?

Ah didn´t see the Titan. Now it makes sense ^^