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So apparently the new faq dropped. It appears they fixed a few minor things but no real faq is present. They merely did an errata of a few rules and dropped the hellbrute a whopping 5 points . Anyone have an idea on when they might answer all of the other questions everyone has about this codex? Sure its nice that you can take more plague zombies but we are still left wondering about abbadon and marked units or monstrous creatures and the mace etc...


What are your alls thoughts on the few changes?


Didn't see a thread so I made one if its already in another thread lock this one please.

FAQ LINK: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2710181a_Chaos_Space_Marines_v1.0a.pdf

Monstrous creatures and the mace is not an issue, never was an issue, and only is an issue for those who don't want to be wrong, it's AP2

Still waiting on them to fix the are edly stupid Noise Marine entry... (or rather, how f ed-up the Noise Champion is!)

There is a few other things of confusion, do plague champions trade in plague knives for example

If people are wondering about Monstrous Creatures and the mace then they need to go take a look at the Smash rule in the BRB; there's no discussion here.

The Abaddon issue should have been included alright though.

I'm sorry but I am not clear on the Abddon issue. What is it exactly?

In a nutshell, some people say he can join any unit because he has every mark, and some people say he can't join any marked unit because he has every mark. I won't tell you which side I'm on, because that will only reopen that can of worms right here.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Still waiting on them to fix the are edly stupid Noise Marine entry... (or rather, how f ed-up the Noise Champion is!)

What's so " " up about it, it seems fine.

 blood reaper wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Still waiting on them to fix the are edly stupid Noise Marine entry... (or rather, how f ed-up the Noise Champion is!)

What's so " " up about it, it seems fine.

Sure it is... Fine in the sense that;
a) For the first time in 3 editions, the Noise Champ can't get a sonic blaster.
b) The Noise Champ can only ever gain the +1A for two close combat weapons if you buy him a rather expensive plasma pistol!

Only sergeant equivalent in the entire fething game that has a massive tax just to get +1A... Hell, you can't even legally give him a pair of lightning claws if you wanted to!

So other than being useless in combat, and losing out on one of his traditional weapon options, he's fine...

Right because not having +1A makes you automatically useless in combat

Besides, last I looked, it doesn't matter if the champion of a static supression unit is good at combat. Noise Marines are not a combat unit, so who cares?

As for Sonic Blaster, wow, he loses 2 S4 shots. Big deal, it's not like the rest of the unit is putting out 27 of them....oh wait....

Seriously, even with all the rage before the Codex came out, I've seen someone get so worked up over so tiny a thing on here. And for the record, I highly doubt they are going to FAQ something that isn't actually a problem just because you threw a tantrum on a forum they may never see. Just saying.

P.S. Why can't you give him two Lightning Claws? When you pick from the armoury you swap 'a weapon' for any upgrades. He has a Bolter and Pistol so can swap both of them. Then again, why waste 30pts on a uselss set of upgrades for his role?

Ha 5 pts off the Hellbrute, joy I can buy melta bombs on my lord now. Nevermind that he can't be made into the feared rifleman of Codex SM. No Hadesman to combat psyfleman, And he runs straight at the opponent as an added bonus. The things worth all of 75 pts.


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But yeah, people are thinking too hard about this new upgrade sheet. Someone once told me I can't have a combo-melta and a chainfist on a termie champ. Why not, I swap the bolter for the combi and the PW for the fist. Whats so hard about that!?!

But of course, why would you take such an expensive upgrade for a shooting unit. For assault, get some zerkers (or even PM with their new poisoned weapons)

 quilava1 wrote:
Ha 5 pts off the Hellbrute, joy I can buy melta bombs on my lord now. Nevermind that he can't be made into the feared rifleman of Codex SM. No Hadesman to combat psyfleman, And he runs straight at the opponent as an added bonus. The things worth all of 75 pts.

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That was the biggest wtf for me. Why bother lowering the point value on it a whole 5 points like that makes it so much more fieldable.

 Tomb King wrote:

 quilava1 wrote:
Ha 5 pts off the Hellbrute, joy I can buy melta bombs on my lord now. Nevermind that he can't be made into the feared rifleman of Codex SM. No Hadesman to combat psyfleman, And he runs straight at the opponent as an added bonus. The things worth all of 75 pts.

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That was the biggest wtf for me. Why bother lowering the point value on it a whole 5 points like that makes it so much more fieldable.

The point cost for the Brute was a typo. The english version said 105, all other languages said 100.

 Tomb King wrote:

 quilava1 wrote:
Ha 5 pts off the Hellbrute, joy I can buy melta bombs on my lord now. Nevermind that he can't be made into the feared rifleman of Codex SM. No Hadesman to combat psyfleman, And he runs straight at the opponent as an added bonus. The things worth all of 75 pts.

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That was the biggest wtf for me. Why bother lowering the point value on it a whole 5 points like that makes it so much more fieldable.

It was an error in the English versions of the Codex.

Roger, guess that makes sense then. Quick question: Does a plague zombie champion still have champion of chaos as it is not a purchased upgrade its a given rule?

Yes, the Zombie champion is still a champion of chaos.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yes, the Zombie champion is still a champion of chaos.

That could be some interesting fun if you can ever win a challenge with him. I actually had a situation come up last tournament where I killed an enemy character but we attacked at the same time and he also killed me. Didnt know if I still rolled on the table as I am unsure when champion of chaos is triggered because a few of them could stop the model from dying and the book says immediately when the enemy character is killed roll...

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:


P.S. Why can't you give him two Lightning Claws? When you pick from the armoury you swap 'a weapon' for any upgrades. He has a Bolter and Pistol so can swap both of them. Then again, why waste 30pts on a uselss set of upgrades for his role?

Because he only comes with a bolter and bolt pistol and does not have the option to buy an extra CCW. So you can trade your bolt pistol in for an upgraded melee weapon, but no where in the melee weapons table can you trade in a bolter (its bolt pistols and CCWs only). Its the Ranged weapons table where you can trade in any weapon for one of the listed ones.

As such the only way to get +1 attack at all is to trade the bolt pistol in for a power weapon and the bolter in for a plasma pistol (thus the 15 point surcharge). In addition there is no way for him to get two specialist HTH weapons at all.

Depending on what qualifies as a CCW (plague knives and force weapons) the Noise Champion is the only Cult champion that is denied the ability. That is what makes it seem like a typo.

Why not just swap the Bolter for a PP? And save 15pts? you still gain +1 A but thanks to the new Gunslinger rule, as he has 2 pistols he can fire both.

and an i5 champion who is ment for challanges enters them with 2 pistols which he cant use in them ? great idea.

Makumba wrote:
and an i5 champion who is ment for challanges enters them with 2 pistols which he cant use in them ? great idea.

Meant for challenges? In what reads as (haven't got to use them in game yet) a shooty unit? Are you sure you are right here...

 motyak wrote:

Makumba wrote:
and an i5 champion who is ment for challanges enters them with 2 pistols which he cant use in them ? great idea.

Meant for challenges? In what reads as (haven't got to use them in game yet) a shooty unit? Are you sure you are right here...

Like all chaos champions, he is forced to Challenge, not to mention it's not a shooty unit, considering you don't have to equip with sonics (cept a doom siren) and can get up and close for melee with I5

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 motyak wrote:

Makumba wrote:
and an i5 champion who is ment for challanges enters them with 2 pistols which he cant use in them ? great idea.

Meant for challenges? In what reads as (haven't got to use them in game yet) a shooty unit? Are you sure you are right here...

Like all chaos champions, he is forced to Challenge, not to mention it's not a shooty unit, considering you don't have to equip with sonics (cept a doom siren) and can get up and close for melee with I5

I know he is forced to, but so is the cultist champion, it doesn't mean they are made to. And I get what you mean that they don't have to be equipped with sonics, but....ah well, maybe its just me, but they sound so much better with them.

Wordplay intended.

Link to FQ for those who do not want to have to go hunt for it.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Right because not having +1A makes you automatically useless in combat

Besides, last I looked, it doesn't matter if the champion of a static supression unit is good at combat. Noise Marines are not a combat unit, so who cares?

As for Sonic Blaster, wow, he loses 2 S4 shots. Big deal, it's not like the rest of the unit is putting out 27 of them....oh wait....

Seriously, even with all the rage before the Codex came out, I've seen someone get so worked up over so tiny a thing on here. And for the record, I highly doubt they are going to FAQ something that isn't actually a problem just because you threw a tantrum on a forum they may never see. Just saying.

P.S. Why can't you give him two Lightning Claws? When you pick from the armoury you swap 'a weapon' for any upgrades. He has a Bolter and Pistol so can swap both of them. Then again, why waste 30pts on a uselss set of upgrades for his role?

a) Noise Marines are similar to your average GK squad - a shooty squad that is also ment to take charges on the chin and use it's better overwatch fire & higher initiative to beat down the enemy. They're ment for sitting on forward objectives and holding them, similar infact to also to the likes of Grey Hunters.
Hell, you can even run them with just a Doom Siren and instead make them into an I5 assault unit for escorting a killy Lord!

if you honestly think that Noise Marines are ment purely for just 100% shooting, well, you've missed the boat on them.

b) I don't want to be forced to rip apart my converted Noise Champion! (and I don't have some of the bitz I'd need to re-model him anyways)
Plus, he's had the fething option since at least the first 3rd edition codex! It seems whacked that all of a sudden, I'm losing an option I've had for well over 10 years?! (just like the Termie goof)

c) To take two Lightning Claws, you must swap BOTH your bolt pistol AND your close combat weapon!!! (you know, the ccw he can't even get?! thus making the option illegal...)

Considering the Noise Champ must always challenge, he's crap. At best I'm forced to pay a ludicrous additional 'tax' just to make him equal to every other ing Sergeant in the game, which is highly unfair.
Besides, maybe I want to stick a Sorcerer in my unit?! Sorcerers aren't the best at assaults, thus the sacrifical champ to take on the scary crap like say, any power fist/klaw toting maniac who comes along?

Noise Champs are broken and need fixing.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Right because not having +1A makes you automatically useless in combat

Besides, last I looked, it doesn't matter if the champion of a static supression unit is good at combat. Noise Marines are not a combat unit, so who cares?

As for Sonic Blaster, wow, he loses 2 S4 shots. Big deal, it's not like the rest of the unit is putting out 27 of them....oh wait....

Seriously, even with all the rage before the Codex came out, I've seen someone get so worked up over so tiny a thing on here. And for the record, I highly doubt they are going to FAQ something that isn't actually a problem just because you threw a tantrum on a forum they may never see. Just saying.

P.S. Why can't you give him two Lightning Claws? When you pick from the armoury you swap 'a weapon' for any upgrades. He has a Bolter and Pistol so can swap both of them. Then again, why waste 30pts on a uselss set of upgrades for his role?

a) Noise Marines are similar to your average GK squad - a shooty squad that is also ment to take charges on the chin and use it's better overwatch fire & higher initiative to beat down the enemy. They're ment for sitting on forward objectives and holding them, similar infact to also to the likes of Grey Hunters.
Hell, you can even run them with just a Doom Siren and instead make them into an I5 assault unit for escorting a killy Lord!

if you honestly think that Noise Marines are ment purely for just 100% shooting, well, you've missed the boat on them.

b) I don't want to be forced to rip apart my converted Noise Champion! (and I don't have some of the bitz I'd need to re-model him anyways)
Plus, he's had the fething option since at least the first 3rd edition codex! It seems whacked that all of a sudden, I'm losing an option I've had for well over 10 years?! (just like the Termie goof)

c) To take two Lightning Claws, you must swap BOTH your bolt pistol AND your close combat weapon!!! (you know, the ccw he can't even get?! thus making the option illegal...)

Considering the Noise Champ must always challenge, he's crap. At best I'm forced to pay a ludicrous additional 'tax' just to make him equal to every other ing Sergeant in the game, which is highly unfair.
Besides, maybe I want to stick a Sorcerer in my unit?! Sorcerers aren't the best at assaults, thus the sacrifical champ to take on the scary crap like say, any power fist/klaw toting maniac who comes along?

Noise Champs are broken and need fixing.

They arent as broken as you think. Page 99 of the CSM army book under options. Any noise marine may take a close combat weapon for +1 point. Sure it sucks you have to pay an extra point for your champ to get bolt pistol/CCW combo. How many list do you build that cant spare 1 point?

He's not a Noise Marine. He's a Noise Champion. He's not allowed to buy the CCW.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Monstrous creatures and the mace is not an issue, never was an issue, and only is an issue for those who don't want to be wrong, it's AP2

Well said. I hope everyone reads this.

I hope specific people read it.

GW has answered more obvious questions before. It's worth covering in the FAQ, just to make the intent clear.

Stop whinging about your Noise Marine Champions, Thousand sons Sorcers dont even get the option to take different weapons.