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What option do you think is the best getting a hull heavy flamer or hull heavy bolter. I mean both can serve different roles I am not really sure which one to go with.

HHB now that you can fire it at full BS at 6". If stuff is in flaming range you're going to lose that chimera anyway.

Multilaser / Heavy Flamer

Go-to combination of weapons.

Still like the idea of the HHF/Multi-laser

I find that the multilaser is the most useful turret weapon due to its strength. There are a few armies (like Tau) where you actually could benefit from a HB, but that's a rare case. The optimal hull weapon depends on how you want to play it. A HF is more psychological than practical, since it discourages the enemy from getting too close, while the HB can do a bit of damage before getting in the enemy's face (getting that far is iffy anyway). I find myself taking hull HBs most of the time, but objectively I think their viability is about equal, having the same cost and one being potentially more destructive but prone to being taken out before it fires, while the other one has reach but less power. As always, player preference

I always run the heavy flamer except units that are dedicated range units. The heavy flamer helps deal with those pesky hordes that get to close or help you clear a unit off an objective.

Nungunz wrote:Multilaser / Heavy Flamer

Go-to combination of weapons.

Not anymore.

Blaggard wrote:HHB now that you can fire it at full BS at 6". If stuff is in flaming range you're going to lose that chimera anyway.

Because of that ^

 TheCaptain wrote:

Not anymore.

Blaggard wrote:HHB now that you can fire it at full BS at 6". If stuff is in flaming range you're going to lose that chimera anyway.

Because of that ^

Annnnnnnd this is different how? At 6" you could fire both the Multilaser and the HHB, but one has to snap-fire.

The chimera has no special rule as far as I can read that ignores this.

With the HHF they can't snap fire at all, but even then. The duality of using the multilaser at range and then using the HHF up close when needed is still much more valuable than some BS1 Heavy Bolter that kills a whopping 1.67 marines (on average) a game...assuming you get to shoot every turn.

Sure I can fire the HHB at full BS, but why? Not many 4+ armor models out there and the 5+ ones or worse tend to stick to cover and usually get a 4+ or 5+ anyway....at which point the extra strength of the multilaser covers the difference statistically speaking.

Unless there's something I'm completely missing.

You're ignoring the fact that at most ranges, you won't be getting any use out of the HHF, and at <8" range, you'll either get torched far before you get into said range, or you get one round of shooting, and the chimera is then toast, along with whatever is inside it.

So, i guess the Chimera with HHF is good if you want it to never use its hull weapon, but if you want to add a degree of effectiveness (small as it may be) the HHB is the answer.

 TheCaptain wrote:
You're ignoring the fact that at most ranges, you won't be getting any use out of the HHF, and at <8" range, you'll either get torched far before you get into said range, or you get one round of shooting, and the chimera is then toast, along with whatever is inside it.

So, i guess the Chimera with HHF is good if you want it to never use its hull weapon, but if you want to add a degree of effectiveness (small as it may be) the HHB is the answer.

That really comes down to how you build your list. If you building gun line IG and dont plan to leave your deployment zone then I can see an argument for the heavy bolter. However, if you plan on advancing for say a chance to claim or contest an objective the the heavy flamer is one of the most consistent and cheapest ways of clearing an objective of the enemy. Heavy flamers have saved me countless times. Especially against horde armies like orks, nids and of course guard.

Don't forget that the HHB helps mitigate poor luck when using the chimera just for search light duty. I have had my ML miss completely and throw a spanner in my plans.

Only a small point, but valid in my opinion.

 Tomb King wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
You're ignoring the fact that at most ranges, you won't be getting any use out of the HHF, and at <8" range, you'll either get torched far before you get into said range, or you get one round of shooting, and the chimera is then toast, along with whatever is inside it.

So, i guess the Chimera with HHF is good if you want it to never use its hull weapon, but if you want to add a degree of effectiveness (small as it may be) the HHB is the answer.

That really comes down to how you build your list. If you building gun line IG and dont plan to leave your deployment zone then I can see an argument for the heavy bolter. However, if you plan on advancing for say a chance to claim or contest an objective the the heavy flamer is one of the most consistent and cheapest ways of clearing an objective of the enemy. Heavy flamers have saved me countless times. Especially against horde armies like orks, nids and of course guard.

Have they saved you THIS edition, out of curiosity? Just seems that a weapon that encourages getting close isn't too promising, when getting close means a dead chimera usually.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe searchlight works regardless of whether you hit with anything. You just have to fire at a unit to get the option of illuminating it.

As for the config, I prefer multi/flamer because while the flamer is fired fewer times than the bolter, it has a much larger effect when it is fired. I also think a stubber (depending on whether you've got the spare points) is not a bad choice given that the Chimera is primarily an antipersonnel vehicle.

 TheCaptain wrote:
Just seems that a weapon that encourages getting close isn't too promising, when getting close means a dead chimera usually.

Sure, you'll only use it occasionally, but when you do use it you get an awesome return on that investment. I'd rather have a HF that I use 10% of the time than a HB that snap fires ineffectively every turn and never does anything useful.

Still new to Guard.....but the best load out for a transport depends heavily on the unit its hauling, right?

I've seen Vets in Chimeras work really really well against tough units camped on objectives. HHF and Vet HF work well together.

I'm seconding the Heavy Flamer for the reason already listed. It is rarely used, but the times that it is used, it does more then a Heavy Bolter would.

Hull HF on everything thats not a Russ variant or Hydra.
Even if you only get to use it once, it's way more effective than HB ever would be. Besides, things do get close to you inevitably time and again.

I run double flamers on my chimera with Harker, 3 plasmas and an Autocannon inside. It's fun watching people um and ar about getting shot up or getting burned

While it varies on situation and what's being transported I'm mainly going with Multilaser/Heavy Bolter.

Move 12" and can still fire both weapons (snaps), which can help in the early stages.

More often than not i'll be reversing my Chimera out of assault range, rather than charging into it.

In 5th edition there was only one choice really, and that was ML/HF it was the clear winner.


In 6th edition the HB over the HF has a few advantages.


1) You can fire it a full BS more often. If you are moving 6" so passengers can shoot, you get to fire both the HB and the ML at something.


2) S5 can glance AV 11 (the most common AV value in the game I have found). Glancing AV 11 is also really good, with the new Hull point rules. With 6 shots that can hurt light tanks, the chimera becomes a bit more effective countering Rhinos and Razorbacks.



Basically you have the choice between a low amount of consistent damage through the game with the Heavy Bolter

OR

You have a single large burst of Damage from he Heavy Flamer.



Depending on your list, (what other AV11-12 threats you have, how long before your chimeras are targeted), how you are playing that list (aggressive or defensive) it depends.

Personally I would say that both are viable options and there is no clear "BEST CHIMERA" the way there was in 5th edition.

People are still using Chimeras?

 TheCaptain wrote:


People are still using Chimeras?

Yes! They start on the board and my guardsman can safely shoot out of them.

Half my chimeras have flamers, the other half have HBs.

 Tomb King wrote:

Yes! They start on the board and my guardsman can safely shoot out of them.

Heh...

"safely"

 TheCaptain wrote:


People are still using Chimeras?

Due to how easily a T3 5+ model dies they need some protection from a harsh world. The most cost effective is a Chimera, due to it being a dedicated transport, it is also cheap, and people for some reason think that the 6th Meta is going infantry, so they bring less AT. Now you could place your Guardsmen inside a Vendetta, however there are several disadvantages. One, the Vendetta is a gunship, its primary job is to hunt tanks, not ferry troops around. 2. They are over twice the cost of a Chimera. 3. When they explode your guys are practically gone. Also the Vendetta fills a Fast Attack slot, which means unless you squadron them, you will only have 3 at 2000>.

 TheCaptain wrote:


People are still using Chimeras?

Nope, mine are dusty. An imperial inquisitor just landed and requisitioned them for his warbands.

He wanted the HHF removed for HB. Can't argue with the inquisition!

Advice from an Ork player : take the Heavy Bolter !

Just kiddin'... Heavy Flamer all the way. Heavy Bolters suck, and have always sucked ever since 3rd edition came out. With a Heavy Flamer, Hordes will melt like snow under the sun. It's situational of course, but everytime something will try to get close you'll love it.

In 6th edition it hurts a bit less, because Chimeras get hit on 3+, but in 5th I've lost countless Orks after I failed to destroy a Chimera in CC and it fired its Heavy Flamer on my bunched-up Orks... :/

They hit on +3 now? When did they get BS4?

 Blaggard wrote:
They hit on +3 now? When did they get BS4?

He is talking about in combat vehicles now get hit on a 3+ if they moved and he was refering to the heavy flamer which doesnt use a ballistic skill.

Ah right, totally misread what he wrote.