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Alright guys, so I just recently added to my Necron Legion, making up to 4950 points. The things I just got are 2 boxes of Lychguard/Triarch Praetorians and a Monolith. I intend to keep all of it. However, I

don't know which I should build them as. I already have 10 Lychguards with hyperphase swords and dispersion shields, but I could make another 10 with warscythes to charge out of the Barn Door.

Alternatively, I could have 10 Praetorians firing their Str5 Ap2 guns and then charging in afterwards (I don't want the particle caster/voidblades). Either way, they'd both be coming out of the Monolith. The

armies I usually face are: Blood Angel Descent of Angels list, Tyranid Elite list (very little hormagaunts/genestealers, but lots of MC and Warriors), Tau Gunline list, Space Marine Parking Lot list, or Dark

Eldar Speedboat list. Help please!

Just so you are clear, I'm about 99% certain that units can't charge the turn you redeploy them with the monolith, so if you plan on using warscythe Lychguard, be prepared to have them be shot up a lot the turn they deploy. I'm also not a fan of sword and board lychguard, the changes to power weapons made them a lot worse and you are paying more points than you would for a terminator.

Praetorians have a slight advantage because of their mobility, so I would probably take them. The effectively get a second free bonus attack on the charge because of their weapons shooting profile, and although they aren't as good against vehicles... well... you're playing bloody 'crons. We're the best AT army in the game thanks to all the Gauss we can take.

Another option I like, although it may not apply to you, is to convert the Lychguard/Triarch into Crypteks. This is especially easy if you have a little bit of greenstuff and some leftover Deathmark heads.

I'm not sure if you meant: ...99% certain that units CAN charge the turn you redeploy them with the monolith... or: ...99% certain that units CAN'T charge the turn you redeploy them with the monolith...
because from what I have read, they can.

overlord tehuti wrote:

Alternatively, I could have 10 Praetorians firing their Str5 Ap2 guns and then charging in afterwards (I don't want the particle caster/voidblades). Either way, they'd both be coming out of the Monolith.

You sure you don't want to run voidblades? Sure, AP 2 on all attacks is nice, but I feel like there is a greater degree of utility with the other build.
You get more attacks in assault, longer range during shooting, can take on vehicles (thanks to the wonderful entropic strike), and even get rending. Plus you still get to strike ahead of anything with unwieldy.
That's just my take. You may have something specific in mind for them.

Hmmm... i suppose that is a fair point. As of yet, I do have 6 elite choices (2 C'tan, 3 10-man squads of Deathmarks, and 10 Lychguards with swords n' boards). Do you think it will be worth it to bring them (10 new lychguards w/ warscythes or 10 praetorians) through the barn door?

I would build the praetorians as you don't have any. You could accompany the praetorians with a destroyer lord to soak damage and provide the unit with preferred enemy.

overlord tehuti wrote:
I'm not sure if you meant: ...99% certain that units CAN charge the turn you redeploy them with the monolith... or: ...99% certain that units CAN'T charge the turn you redeploy them with the monolith...
because from what I have read, they can.

They CANNOT assault the turn they teleport using the Portal.

 Gangrel767 wrote:

overlord tehuti wrote:
I'm not sure if you meant: ...99% certain that units CAN charge the turn you redeploy them with the monolith... or: ...99% certain that units CAN'T charge the turn you redeploy them with the monolith...
because from what I have read, they can.

They CANNOT assault the turn they teleport using the Portal.

Exactly so, as it counts as disembarking from a vehicle, and the Monolith does not have the Assault Vehicle or Open-Topped rules.

That being the case, Triarchs might make more sense coming through a monolith, as they can shoot.

So scytheguards are not worth it?

I prefer RoC TP's, but ONLY If you run a Dlord with them. They go from Zero to hero, if you throw a Dlord with them. The Res Orb and PE just works wonderfully with their shooting attack and Melee. Keep in mind that that the ROC is a power Axe now, so you are hitting at Strength 6, AP2, Init 1.

Lychguard just aren't very good anymore, IMO. You pretty much have to spend a Nightscythe to get them into position, and then they still have to weather a turn of fire before they can do anything. They need an Orb lord at the very least, as well.

If you don't have any, I'd say go for the TPs. They are not the most competitive unit, but they are a lot of fun, and in conjunction with a Dlord can really wreck things.

i personally wouldnt take either one of them but if i had to take one it would be lych guard the other squad just cant hold up in cc which they will get into because of the range on their weapon is 6"

How about neither?

The models look great, but both units are pretty terrible. Scytheguard can hurt, but they're unable to assault out of any transport and have no protection to ensure they get to swing those tasty warscythes at I2. Praetorians are mobile with AP2 in combat, but no invul and only 1 attack seriously hampers their effectiveness.

If you want a smashy assault unit, take a Royal Court with Lords. You can take a variety of wargear and mount them in a Ghost Ark (an actual assault transport). It's a ridiculous unit, but it wins on style points.

Take Praetorians. The bring them out the back door of the monolith (have the door facing the rare) so they can hide behind it the turn they arrive. Then jump over and shoot/assault.

I'd take the rod, because it looks better.

-Matt

LG are bottom tier, TP alone are bottom tier, TP with a DL are above-average but overpriced.

Great points all around guys, thanks a lot. But i really do think i'll have the scytheguard. The models are beautiful, they aren't bad at all, and they can be a real fun unit to field and paint, i've found. & i don't see how you guys can make the point that either variant of lychguards are, in any way, below average. In a big tourney at my buddy's house (we played massive 3000 point games) one of the rounds i was against nids. My deathstar was 10 guards with swords and boards and a tricked-out overlord. By the time i wiped him on turn 6, that squad alone cleaved through: Swarmlord and 3 tyrant guard, 3 carnifexes, tyrannofex, 2 pyrovores, 3 warriors, and a trygon prime. my permanent losses of models? 2. 2 lychguards didn't wake up from their naps.

If Necron Deathstars are what you want, then why aren't you just running a Royal Court Disco Inferno?
Talk about unstoppable, that thing carves through entire armies!

 skoffs wrote:
If Necron Deathstars are what you want, then why aren't you just running a Royal Court Disco Inferno?
Talk about unstoppable, that thing carves through entire armies!

No thank you. Too many eggs in one basket.

I don't know, I friggen love scythe guard. I am glad you are deciding to go with them. From what I have read, they need the love. Anyway, they've always performed admirably in my own lists. Yes the rez lord is kinda mandatory for them, but my HQ always goes with them anyway. They are just a great unit to just soak up enemy fire so the rest of my army usually doesn't take too much damage. I can understand why people don't like them compared to other choices, but for what they do I think they are pretty good. They are no wraiths that is for sure, but against anything with an AP value above 3, I feel they are actually more durable having that higher toughness and RP. I would at least put them up as an average unit, definitely not below average. Below average is where the flayed ones are at, and I'll be damned is someone puts my lychguard down there with them I think the common mistake is to compare them to terminators. I don't really get why, is it because they have the same points base, fill an elite slot, and have AP2 weapons? I never really thought to compare them on that basis and never really liked to. I am under the impression that they are their own unique unit that has their own strengths and weaknesses. You just have to play around those strengths and weaknesses.

I dunno.... A disco inferno is crazy. And you can fit 3 squads of immortals with night scythes in the list as well. So you have flier support, 3 scoring units and a crazy deathstar that will kill everything else.

I have found lychguard to be best played with either obyron, in a scythe or with a veiltek, with a reslord of course. You teleport them near the enemy army, then, if you have shields, tarpit and massacre MEQ. If you have scythes, well, kill whatever lol It is saying something when I consider a 40k unit overkill, and scythguard are it

Well, at the 2000 pt level, I'd be inclined to use a Lynchguard unit in a Night Scythe. The objective of this squad would be to get deployed in the enemy backfield at midgame and then wreck havoc.
Question: How would you equip it?

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, at the 2000 pt level, I'd be inclined to use a Lynchguard unit in a Night Scythe. The objective of this squad would be to get deployed in the enemy backfield at midgame and then wreck havoc.
Question: How would you equip it?

A lord with an Orb/MSS/Weave for sure. In this case, I think Warscythes would be your best bet. You lose a lot of surviveability, but gain the ability to threaten anything.

So I did end up going with Scytheguard, and I played a game at my local gaming store yesterday. It was a 1750 game vs Grey Knights. By Turn 4, both armies were reduced to roughly 20% strength, but the Scytheguard cut through: 13 purifiers w/ Coteaz and a GM, 10 Grey Knight Terminators, and a Dreadknight!!! I did end up only having an Overlord with 1 wound and 3 Lychguards left, but I was blown away by the results.

overlord tehuti wrote:
So I did end up going with Scytheguard, and I played a game at my local gaming store yesterday. It was a 1750 game vs Grey Knights. By Turn 4, both armies were reduced to roughly 20% strength, but the Scytheguard cut through: 13 purifiers w/ Coteaz and a GM, 10 Grey Knight Terminators, and a Dreadknight!!! I did end up only having an Overlord with 1 wound and 3 Lychguards left, but I was blown away by the results.

That is disgustingly awesome. I've had good luck with them, but not that much luck, lol. Glad to hear they can beat that much face.

Very nice.
I'm surprised you were able to survive so much AP 3 in close combat. Dumped it on the overlord/lord?

Yes, bwahahaha. Plus, at one point, i rolled 9 reanimation protocol rolls and they all passed with the orb... needless to say, many swear words were soon passed by my opponent lolololol. Also, with the purifiers cleansing flame psychic attack, i was able to get 2 deny the witch rolls in row, to which i promptly stated "Ba-ba-bam, yup. That just happened."