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In the blood angle codex It says that their vehicles are fast due to the rhino chassis. Shouldn't this mean that all SM rhino and their EQ's would be fast?

It doesn't say that at all. It says they're fast due to their overcharged engines.

Codex: space marines is the book that all others are based statwise. It has to be very average and middle of the road.

frarlkanz wrote:
In the blood angle codex It says that their vehicles are fast due to the rhino chassis. Shouldn't this mean that all SM rhino and their EQ's would be fast?

Something has to make BA different and new/fun in order to help make GW $$

I think its alright that SM tanks aren't fast like BA's... I think a fairer question is why can't marine tanks be deployed by Thunderhawk transport? The fragile nature of marine tanks relative to Imperial guard tanks is intuitively because the marine tanks have to be able to fit onto smaller tactical landing craft like Thunderhawk transports, while IG tanks are brought planetside on massive starships capable of landing. That tactical airlift capability and distinction in modus operandi isn't really represented. As an abstraction it could simply be an upgrade allowing a vehicle to outflank.

I think orkbenji is right, it just boils down to the fact GW wants to keep basic Space Marines basic. Few frills and easy for beginners to grasp.

Because the Space Marines are actually pretty slow as 40k factions go, fluffwise? They can certainly move, but they might as well be standing still when weighed against Eldar/Dark Eldar...

Fluffwise, the Space Marines are presented as a strike force. It is the Imperial Guard that is supposed to be slow and lumbering.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Because the Space Marines are actually pretty slow as 40k factions go, fluffwise? They can certainly move, but they might as well be standing still when weighed against Eldar/Dark Eldar...

Everyone is slow compared to them.


Compared to IG, Marines are fast.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Because the Space Marines are actually pretty slow as 40k factions go, fluffwise? They can certainly move, but they might as well be standing still when weighed against Eldar/Dark Eldar...

Everyone is slow compared to them.


Compared to IG, Marines are fast.

That kind of the point though, isn't it? Both Eldar are fast in fluff and in rules this is represented by having Fast vehicles. If Marines had Fast vehicles, the Eldar would be no faster.

But, but, but... this still isn't apropos to the original post, which is based on, as far as I can tell, non-existent fluff.

 htj wrote:
It doesn't say that at all. It says they're fast due to their overcharged engines.

Blood Angels' tanks are fast because they are painted red.

As any ork will tell you: "Red 'unz go fasta"

Baal Predators were equipped with Lucius Pattern engine which are much more powerful and then applied this to all their rhino based vehicles. However, like the Stormraven, they won't share. In fact, so much so that when the Predator Infernus was designed they didn't even have the Lucius Engine.

Or cuz dey red.

I'm fine with paying 15pts less for non-fast tanks...

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
I'm fine with paying 15pts less for non-fast tanks...

And having free searchlights, which are now useful as all games now have Night fighting.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
I'm fine with paying 15pts less for non-fast tanks...

And having free searchlights, which are now useful as all games now have Night fighting.

Surely if they can fit a Rhino with a turbocharged engine they can fit a Land Raider, or any other vehicle with one, and make them fast too?

 GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
I'm fine with paying 15pts less for non-fast tanks...

And having free searchlights, which are now useful as all games now have Night fighting.

Surely if they can fit a Rhino with a turbocharged engine they can fit a Land Raider, or any other vehicle with one, and make them fast too?

Yes they could. Just like every car today could have a turbo charged Lamborghini V10.

Power to weight ratios are important. Land Raiders are gigantic. Really, what's to say they don't all already have turbocharged engines?

At that kind of size, it could easily just be entirely inefficient to try and make a Land Raider go significantly faster. Fuel consumption becomes unmanageable, etc. Sadly, automotive performance doesn't function on a perfectly sloped line. Returns diminish as weight increases.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Power to weight ratios are important. Land Raiders are gigantic. Really, what's to say they don't all already have turbocharged engines?

At that kind of size, it could easily just be entirely inefficient to try and make a Land Raider go significantly faster. Fuel consumption becomes unmanageable, etc. Sadly, automotive performance doesn't function on a perfectly sloped line. Returns diminish as weight increases.

Weight is not an issue when you have engines capable of Anti-Gravity.

Not to make the LR fly, but the anti grav engine would increase the Power to Weight ratio by reducing the overall weight of the tank by 40% or so.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Power to weight ratios are important. Land Raiders are gigantic. Really, what's to say they don't all already have turbocharged engines?

At that kind of size, it could easily just be entirely inefficient to try and make a Land Raider go significantly faster. Fuel consumption becomes unmanageable, etc. Sadly, automotive performance doesn't function on a perfectly sloped line. Returns diminish as weight increases.

Weight is not an issue when you have engines capable of Anti-Gravity.

Not to make the LR fly, but the anti grav engine would increase the Power to Weight ratio by reducing the overall weight of the tank by 40% or so.

You say this like anti-gravitic engines are commonplace tech in the Imperium, and like the Imperium is making wholesale and fundamental modifications to STCs, and not just reproducing technology developed thousands of years earlier.

So yes, weight is absolutely an issue.

 Deadshot wrote:
Baal Predators were equipped with Lucius Pattern engine which are much more powerful and then applied this to all their rhino based vehicles. However, like the Stormraven, they won't share. In fact, so much so that when the Predator Infernus was designed they didn't even have the Lucius Engine.

Or cuz dey red.

This.

They apparently retained the STC for the Lucius Pattern Engines, and are the only chapter to do so.

The STC templates for these engines is guarded very tightly by the Blood Angels and they do not share their toys.

 GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:
Surely if they can fit a Rhino with a turbocharged engine they can fit a Land Raider, or any other vehicle with one, and make them fast too?

The fluff in the BA Codex says they've tried but the Lucifer pattern engine only really works with the Rhino chassis. It's actually this disappointment that made them decide to deploy Land Raiders by Thunderhawk gunship instead, to get them there as fast as the Rhinos etc.

When the Blood Angels found the STC for the Baal Predator, they kept it. And didn't share it, which the Ad.Mech didn't like one bit, the blood angels then reverse engineered the faster engines in it, and fitted them to all their Rhino chassis varients. The engine was called the Lucifer pattern, because that's the techmarine who made it. They couldn't get it to work in Land Raiders however. Because even Matt Ward knew that would be too powerful. You too could also learn this if you read the Blood Angels codex

If all SM tanks get to be fast, then all DE vehicles get to be flyers with hover capability

They are supposed to be orders of magnitude faster than the IOM tanks after all, but made of pierce-worked paper (to allow for lighter weight ) to allow them to get this extra speed.