Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**Kanluwen**

Miguelsan wrote:
Powerguy wrote:
Crazyterran wrote:
Miguelsan wrote:
Nocturnus wrote:

LOL, GW never had or cared about "balance". They care about selling minis. As long as the investors are seeing profits, that's all that matters. To GW, that is. As for getting beat out by PP, I would laugh but I don't think that will happen. At least the 40K players I know think WarmaHordes is a stupid game with crappy models. But, to each their own.

But is it too much to ask that at least they follow the current set of rules without coming up with useless stuff? If sniper rifles have a rule that confers precision shot to its user, why rangers (apparently might be wrong) have a special rule that gives precision shot?

M.

Do they come with Pistols?

Maybe it's there in case you want to charge with your Rangers!

I think you are mixing up Rangers and Pathfinders. Rangers are 12pts for a BS4 Sniper Rifle (which has Precision). Pathfinders are unlocked by the Ranger HQ character, 12(ish) pt upgrade to Rangers and ALL their shots are Precision (same as the Ranger character).

But what's the point of the rule? it's akin to giving a lascannon to SM assault squads just in case they want to camp an objective. That's not the purpose of the squad.

M.

From the way the rule for "Precision Shots" reads:

It goes active on a roll of "6" for To Hit.

The wording of Illic (and his Pathfinders) implies that all of their rolls are Precision Shots.
Precision Shots allow for allocating against a model(s) of your choosing in the target unit as long as they are in range rather than normal rules for Wound allocation.

Without having read Illic and his Pathfinders' rules in detail, this is just the impression I am getting.
I would assume that is why they went out of their way to make such a clear distinction. It is the difference between a unit rolling 6's To Hit with their Sniper Rifles and gaining Precision Shots(Rangers) and a unit consistently having Precision Shots (Pathfinders and Illic).

**GTKA666**

Jayden63 wrote:
I'm most interested in what sort of punch I can put into using Eldar as Allies for my DE. I used to rely on them for psyhic defense and for the bliss of using doom on a unit and then running over them with Reaver Bladeveins.

well....still have it AND we now have double powers, most of which can seriously help the DE. You can even use divination for crying out loud....

**Khaine**

Also, due to the wording of fortune archons with re-rollable 2+ invuls is possible now.

**Jayden63**

Khaine wrote:
Also, due to the wording of fortune archons with re-rollable 2+ invuls is possible now.

That used to be possible and was most commonly done by attaching an Archon to an Eldar Harlie ally unit. Then fortuning the whole unit with your allied Farseer. So I guess nothing has changed here.

I wonder now how Eldar harlies will differ from DE harlies, especially since the most recent DE faq made them the same to the old book.

**Nocturnus**

Puscifer wrote:
Couple of things...

First of all, I've never seen a Heldrake in a game, let alone three in my meta. We just have Dakkajets and Marine Flyers to contend with, so it isn't too bad.

As I shall walk through the valley in the shadow of possible Heldrake spam, I shall fear no evil... cuz I'm the meanest mofo in the 41st millennium and I carry a sharp pointy stick.

Second...

Been speculating on Reapers with the Eldar equivalent of Krak missiles. These guys are very cheap for what they do and when facing flyers, ten of these guys are a scary prospect. You'll roll some sixes, two - three if you have an Exarch with fast shot.

I'm thinking a good build is:

9 Reapers + Exarch.
Reapers have Krak Missiles.
Exarch has Tempest Launcher.

Nine Krak shots from a single unit is pretty scary. The Starswarms are great vs MEQ and can be demi hoard removal. The Kraks also do double time as potential anti air.

The Tempest Launcher is for pure Horde removal, especially with Fast shot. Model looks bad ass too.

It is expensive, but it gets so many jobs done.

If you can have a Seer with Divination, that is a unit that has a lot of potential.

You're looking at over 300pts for one unit. Here where the usual point limit is 1500, makes this unrealistic.
Also, regarding my earlier comment about eating the army I wasn't strictly speaking about flyers. With Vector Dancer, I think they will be relatively safe from the 'Drake. I meant what it's going to do to all that T3 with S6 template..

**Raesvelg**

So, I'm trying to figure out one thing and it's bugging me.

The Wailing Doom, supposedly, has the same 12" range that it had before. So I can understand that they're giving the Avatar access to Fast Shot and Marksman's Eye, since in theory you might actually want to double-tap your Doom at a squad and maybe even pick your target if you roll well.

But.

Why can the Avatar buy Night Vision?

Night Fighting only kicks in at 12" of range. He can't join a squad and give them Night Vision.

The only explanation I can think of is that somehow, he was originally supposed to have a longer range weapon, and that it got cut back down to 12" and nobody thought to change what powers he had access to. Kinda like how I can't see how the Wraithknight made it out with four weapons when it can only fire two, or how Warlocks are expected to be effective with Ld 8, or any of a host of other little oddities in the list that seem to reflect a version of the rules that we didn't quite get.

At least, that's what I keep telling myself to avoid contemplating the possibility that they have people writing the Codices who have no idea what the actual rules are.

**Belly**

Raesvelg wrote:
So, I'm trying to figure out one thing and it's bugging me.

The Wailing Doom, supposedly, has the same 12" range that it had before. So I can understand that they're giving the Avatar access to Fast Shot and Marksman's Eye, since in theory you might actually want to double-tap your Doom at a squad and maybe even pick your target if you roll well.

But.

Why can the Avatar buy Night Vision?

Night Fighting only kicks in at 12" of range. He can't join a squad and give them Night Vision.

The only explanation I can think of is that somehow, he was originally supposed to have a longer range weapon, and that it got cut back down to 12" and nobody thought to change what powers he had access to. Kinda like how I can't see how the Wraithknight made it out with four weapons when it can only fire two, or how Warlocks are expected to be effective with Ld 8, or any of a host of other little oddities in the list that seem to reflect a version of the rules that we didn't quite get.

At least, that's what I keep telling myself to avoid contemplating the possibility that they have people writing the Codices who have no idea what the actual rules are.

You could put him on a quad-gun...maybe...

**Raesvelg**

Belly wrote:

You could put him on a quad-gun...maybe...

That's about it. And while it is kinda entertaining to contemplate a BS10 Avatar with Fast Shot and Night Vision gunning down things with a Quad Gun, it... seems a trifle out of character.

**Jayden63**

There is nothing preventing him from firing an emplaced weapon. I'm not sure I'd want him hanging back to do that, but there is nothing preventing him from doing so.

**Khaine**

Jayden63 wrote:
Khaine wrote:
Also, due to the wording of fortune archons with re-rollable 2+ invuls is possible now.

That used to be possible and was most commonly done by attaching an Archon to an Eldar Harlie ally unit. Then fortuning the whole unit with your allied Farseer. So I guess nothing has changed here.

I wonder now how Eldar harlies will differ from DE harlies, especially since the most recent DE faq made them the same to the old book.

They are in line with the recent DE faq, including pts costs.
Edit: I can't seem to find this DE faq that you speak of

**GTKA666**

Raesvelg wrote:
Belly wrote:

You could put him on a quad-gun...maybe...

That's about it. And while it is kinda entertaining to contemplate a BS10 Avatar with Fast Shot and Night Vision gunning down things with a Quad Gun, it... seems a trifle out of character.

At that point you just have the avatar modeled into a sad panda and have a bored look on his face with one finger on a button

**Nocturnus**

GTKA666 wrote:
Raesvelg wrote:
Belly wrote:

You could put him on a quad-gun...maybe...

That's about it. And while it is kinda entertaining to contemplate a BS10 Avatar with Fast Shot and Night Vision gunning down things with a Quad Gun, it... seems a trifle out of character.

At that point you just have the avatar modeled into a sad panda and have a bored look on his face with one finger on a button

LOL that would make for an AMAZING modelling opportunity.......

**Khaine**

Edit: Double post

**Overlord Zerrtin**

Khaine wrote:
Edit 1: Double post wtf
Edit 2: I have a physical copy of the codex that arrived an hour ago if anyone has any specific questions

What upgrades are available to a farseer besides the bike and secondly what do they do now?... I wish my codex had come early cant stand the wait!

**Kanluwen**

How about clarifying the wording for Illic Nightspear's rules?

**Miguelsan**

Kanluwen wrote:
Miguelsan wrote:
Powerguy wrote:
Crazyterran wrote:
Miguelsan wrote:
Nocturnus wrote:

LOL, GW never had or cared about "balance". They care about selling minis. As long as the investors are seeing profits, that's all that matters. To GW, that is. As for getting beat out by PP, I would laugh but I don't think that will happen. At least the 40K players I know think WarmaHordes is a stupid game with crappy models. But, to each their own.

But is it too much to ask that at least they follow the current set of rules without coming up with useless stuff? If sniper rifles have a rule that confers precision shot to its user, why rangers (apparently might be wrong) have a special rule that gives precision shot?

M.

Do they come with Pistols?

Maybe it's there in case you want to charge with your Rangers!

I think you are mixing up Rangers and Pathfinders. Rangers are 12pts for a BS4 Sniper Rifle (which has Precision). Pathfinders are unlocked by the Ranger HQ character, 12(ish) pt upgrade to Rangers and ALL their shots are Precision (same as the Ranger character).

But what's the point of the rule? it's akin to giving a lascannon to SM assault squads just in case they want to camp an objective. That's not the purpose of the squad.

M.

From the way the rule for "Precision Shots" reads:

It goes active on a roll of "6" for To Hit.

The wording of Illic (and his Pathfinders) implies that all of their rolls are Precision Shots.
Precision Shots allow for allocating against a model(s) of your choosing in the target unit as long as they are in range rather than normal rules for Wound allocation.

Without having read Illic and his Pathfinders' rules in detail, this is just the impression I am getting.
I would assume that is why they went out of their way to make such a clear distinction. It is the difference between a unit rolling 6's To Hit with their Sniper Rifles and gaining Precision Shots(Rangers) and a unit consistently having Precision Shots (Pathfinders and Illic).

If your understanding of the rule is correct then I will agree that the rule is not stupid (well I did say I could be prove wrong

) and that pathfinders 'won't' be useful at all due to the new fire magnet rule that makes all ignore cover weapon blasts target them

M.

**skarsol**

Kanluwen wrote:
How about clarifying the wording for Illic Nightspear's rules?

Codex wrote:Shots fired by models with this special rule (excluding Snap Shots) are always precision shots.

**GTKA666**

skarsol wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
How about clarifying the wording for Illic Nightspear's rules?

Codex wrote:Shots fired by models with this special rule (excluding Snap Shots) are always precision shots.

dear god....now it really is hard to chose between the avatar and illic....

**Kanluwen**

Illic and the Spiritseer both are now showing as "Expected to dispatch in one to two weeks" when you hover over the Release Date Information on the US website.

Everything else is showing as the standard preorder spiel.

It could be nothing; but I'm fairly certain that yesterday Illic had the normal preorder spiel when hovering over the Release Date info.

**Puscifer**

These double posts need to stop.

Nocturnus wrote:

You're looking at over 300pts for one unit. Here where the usual point limit is 1500, makes this unrealistic.
Also, regarding my earlier comment about eating the army I wasn't strictly speaking about flyers. With Vector Dancer, I think they will be relatively safe from the 'Drake. I meant what it's going to do to all that T3 with S6 template..

The usual points limits in my Meta are 1750, 1850 and 2k.

It's not as unrealistic as you might think at those levels.

I agree with you regarding the Crimson Hunter. It can avoid the Drake and blow it to bits fairly easily.

IMO, the Hunter is auto include as it is very powerful, if fragile.

**Magc8Ball**

I'm looking through to determine how I might want to trick out my Farseer(s) and... just the thought of a Farseer with the Uldy Long Rifle... it's kind of funny. Would be a hell of a lot of fun to model...

**Belly**

I take back what I said about AA. I've had an epiphany.

Wave Serpents. Wait. hear me out.

Twin-linked Scatter lasers and a shuriken cannon. Snap-fire the scatter lasers, making the shuriken cannon twin-linked. You can also fire the serpent shield D6+1 times, which is also now twin-linked S7 and ignores cover. No jink saves for you!

Does this sound legit?

**Farseer_Kaiser**

Belly wrote:
I take back what I said about AA. I've had an epiphany.

Wave Serpents. Wait. hear me out.

Twin-linked Scatter lasers and a shuriken cannon. Snap-fire the scatter lasers, making the shuriken cannon twin-linked. You can also fire the serpent shield D6+1 times, which is also now twin-linked S7 and ignores cover. No jink saves for you!

Does this sound legit?

Yep I was thinking that. Each Serpent should on average put at least a couple of glances if not a couple of Pens against a Rhino or Devilfish (no coversaves HA!). Very very easy way to get First Blood and de-mech your opponent, ready for Bladestorming or other ridiculous firepower. Also the fact that Scatterwalkers, Falcons and Wraithlords with Scatterlasers have everything twin-linked now means a lot less reliance on Prescience/Guide.

**GTKA666**

Belly wrote:
I take back what I said about AA. I've had an epiphany.

Wave Serpents. Wait. hear me out.

Twin-linked Scatter lasers and a shuriken cannon. Snap-fire the scatter lasers, making the shuriken cannon twin-linked. You can also fire the serpent shield D6+1 times, which is also now twin-linked S7 and ignores cover. No jink saves for you!

Does this sound legit?

expect this to be faqued quickly rofl.

**Shandara**

Well they've made plenty of room in the Eldar FAQ already.. let em come!

**milo**

GTKA666 wrote:
Belly wrote:
I take back what I said about AA. I've had an epiphany.

Wave Serpents. Wait. hear me out.

Twin-linked Scatter lasers and a shuriken cannon. Snap-fire the scatter lasers, making the shuriken cannon twin-linked. You can also fire the serpent shield D6+1 times, which is also now twin-linked S7 and ignores cover. No jink saves for you!

Does this sound legit?

expect this to be faqued quickly rofl.

If this wasn't the intended purpose, then why put Ignores Cover on an AP - weapon in the first place? Are there any troops in the game that don't at least have a 6+ save?

**GTKA666**

We are talking about shooting the shield at a flier that is twin linked IF the SL hit the flyer at all. I don't think it was Kelly's intention for the shield to be used against fliers.

**DeffDred**

I didn't see a post about it so...

Everything is up for sale on GW now.

Isn't it a day early?

Sorry if someone posted this earlier but I didn't see it.

Also... Now that they're here should a new thread be started?

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milo wrote:
GTKA666 wrote:
Belly wrote:
I take back what I said about AA. I've had an epiphany.

Wave Serpents. Wait. hear me out.

Twin-linked Scatter lasers and a shuriken cannon. Snap-fire the scatter lasers, making the shuriken cannon twin-linked. You can also fire the serpent shield D6+1 times, which is also now twin-linked S7 and ignores cover. No jink saves for you!

Does this sound legit?

expect this to be faqued quickly rofl.

If this wasn't the intended purpose, then why put Ignores Cover on an AP - weapon in the first place? Are there any troops in the game that don't at least have a 6+ save?

Making Orks use a 6+ save is better than letting them use their 5+ KFF save.

**Zweischneid**

DeffDred wrote:
I didn't see a post about it so...

Everything is up for sale on GW now.

Isn't it a day early?

Still says pre-order for me.

The new items are in their respective categories, but if you click on them, it says "available for pre-order" at the very bottom.

**DeffDred**

Zweischneid wrote:
DeffDred wrote:
I didn't see a post about it so...

Everything is up for sale on GW now.

Isn't it a day early?

Still says pre-order for me.

The new items are in their respective categories, but if you click on them, it says "available for pre-order" at the very bottom.

Indeed you are correct sir! Odd, why wouldn't they be under a pre-order menu? Curse you GW!