deffrekka wrote:
The use i see for Strafing Fire Run is to use it on triple phosphor blaster kastellans so they can relocate with their 8" move to get a better angle of fire without suffering a minus 1 to hit for moving with a heavy weapon. Now this benefits Metalica armies as they can now advance and fire them with no penalty to really get a good spot to shoot and then pop Binaric Override or for Gria Warlords with Emotionless Clarity, they can now fire their guns in close combat freeing them up.

If we then add in Elimination Volley we will get 3+ to hit Kastellans who have moved and set up for Protector Protocols and getting re-roll 1's to hit from a nearby Dominus or Cawl.

To me that adds alot more flexibility to Non Mars armies, where LOS blocking terrain has forced us to move and thus hit on a 5+ (4+ if you are using Destroyers for the Elimination Volley) or even 6+ with a further -1 to hit from certain abilities. Other people's tactics may vary, but i like my Admech to be mobile.

 Aaranis wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:
The use i see for Strafing Fire Run is to use it on triple phosphor blaster kastellans so they can relocate with their 8" move to get a better angle of fire without suffering a minus 1 to hit for moving with a heavy weapon. Now this benefits Metalica armies as they can now advance and fire them with no penalty to really get a good spot to shoot and then pop Binaric Override or for Gria Warlords with Emotionless Clarity, they can now fire their guns in close combat freeing them up.

If we then add in Elimination Volley we will get 3+ to hit Kastellans who have moved and set up for Protector Protocols and getting re-roll 1's to hit from a nearby Dominus or Cawl.

To me that adds alot more flexibility to Non Mars armies, where LOS blocking terrain has forced us to move and thus hit on a 5+ (4+ if you are using Destroyers for the Elimination Volley) or even 6+ with a further -1 to hit from certain abilities. Other people's tactics may vary, but i like my Admech to be mobile.

Oh, spot on for Emontionless Clarity, now I definitely see a use to this Warlord Trait. No longer will chaff stick our Bots down.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Yeah I forgot they have the 8" move. With Metallica that'll give you a pretty significant redeploy range. If the kataphrons get something similar we may be able to do what we're supposed to and be able to aggressively redeploy stuff that nobody expects.

I do worry about strategem costs though. Most of them sound like they'll be 2-3 which means with a typical admech army you're only going to get to use them for one big turn

 Aaranis wrote:
Yes it's costly, but odds are you won't be playing Mars and so won't need 2 CP every turn for WoM. My most used strats are Conqueror Doctrinal and Stygies Infiltration anyway, I just use the rest for the odd stratagem like the Repair twice or rerolls that don't work anyway. At 2000 pts we should be able to work with 2 Battalions post-CA anyway.

 Aaranis wrote:
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not implying it will shake the meta or be better than X list, just that there is more possibilities thanks to this formation. We already spoke about Metalica mobile Bots, Graia emotionless bots and Lucius knock knock Bots, which is hell of a lot more than Mars Bots. I'm glad to be able to have more choices when list building.

 Suzuteo wrote:
So I crunched the numbers:

72.22% chance to roll 6+ with 2D6
89.35% chance to roll 6+ with 2D6, command rerolling the lower value

So deep striking punchy, flaming Robots is viable under this plan.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I just bought some. I'm traditionally a skitarii player. I never even used a cult Mechanicus unit (including tech-priests and Dominii) until 8th edition when they finally combined our books.

I've used them exactly once, boy let me tell you that opening salvo was one heck of an experience and I wasn't even using Mars

 Suzuteo wrote:
Oh. I didn't see that last page.

The Assault change is big. It's basically the stratagem to get rid of the Heavy weapons penalty that we always wanted. Hopefully costs only 1 CP.

Pomguo wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
Oh. I didn't see that last page.

The Assault change is big. It's basically the stratagem to get rid of the Heavy weapons penalty that we always wanted. Hopefully costs only 1 CP.

Yeah, because we’re already spending CP to get access to the strategem. Will let us hide Kastelans out of LoS during deployment then swing them out and shoot on our first turn without penalty, which is nice. But does make all that an even more expensive setup, CP-wise: 1CP for the detachment, 1 (or more) for the assault guns, 1 to switch to shooty mode, 2 for Wrath of Mars, and possibly 2 for +1 to hit with them and Kataphrons 5-7CP is an expensive single round of shooting!

Assault will be great against chargey horde armies though, in the Graia combo mentioned above.

 Suzuteo wrote:
Oh. I didn't see that last page.

The Assault change is big. It's basically the stratagem to get rid of the Heavy weapons penalty that we always wanted. Hopefully costs only 1 CP.

tman3257 wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
Oh. I didn't see that last page.

The Assault change is big. It's basically the stratagem to get rid of the Heavy weapons penalty that we always wanted. Hopefully costs only 1 CP.

I don’t really get this comment. Have you not looked at “Rage of the Machines”? We already have a strat (that’s not locked behind this detachment) that lets us ignore the heavy penalty. The only thing this new one does that is different is we can now run and shoot, which isn’t that huge of a deal.