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Hi all
just started playing 40k and played a couple of beginner tutorials at games workshop.

Myself and my bro are playing 2 others at a starter game next week . They are Dark Angels and tyranids.We are both space marines.

The other player said his friend fields 3x terminator sq. Its only a 600point game but can he really field 3xt sq's? What about HQ and troop choice?
Can some one clarify this please and any useful army loadouts to put up a fight would be great.
Thanks

sc1980 wrote:
Hi all
just started playing 40k and played a couple of beginner tutorials at games workshop.

Myself and my bro are playing 2 others at a starter game next week . They are Dark Angels and tyranids.We are both space marines.

The other player said his friend fields 3x terminator sq. Its only a 600point game but can he really field 3xt sq's? What about HQ and troop choice?
Can some one clarify this please and any useful army loadouts to put up a fight would be great.
Thanks

A Deathwing Terminator squad is 215 base (645 for three, with no upgrades) , and requires Belial to become a troops choice. That would be 775 points with no upgrades to make the list legal.

yes, Dark angels have a HQ choice that makes terminators troops.

But there is no possible way to fit 3 squads into 600 pts.

Belial (special character, basically company master with terminator armor) 130 pts.

Deathwing terminator squad = 215 pts. add in a heavy weapon if he is smart another 20 to 30 pts.


So at most he will get Belial and 2 terminator squads. If he does, then either the bucket of dice approach, or the loads of ap2 shots. Because the other guy has tyranids, I'd go for the bucket of dice approach. Squeeze as many shots in as you possibly can. The terminators will fail some saves eventually. The nids are a horde army, so they will just fall over to loads of fire.

Cheers guys, sigh of releif

Any tips of what to field against tyranids And DArk angels?

Im guessing lots of range to deal with tyranids Dev sq with Hbolter etc?
what about Deathwing?

See Moronic you have 8000pts DW, what can i field to get advantage?

sc1980 wrote:
Cheers guys, sigh of releif

Any tips of what to field against tyranids And DArk angels?

Im guessing lots of range to deal with tyranids Dev sq with Hbolter etc?
what about Deathwing?

See Moronic you have 8000pts DW, what can i field to get advantage?

Well what army are you playing. If its guard, just bring a demolisher and some vets.

Or just bring 750 points of infantry platoons with meltaguns. Throw down a FRF on 40 Guardsmen and watch the unit you're pointed at curl up and die.

I have standard SM and its 600 pt game.

Do you know if he has standard termintors, or does he have Thunder hammer/ Storm Shield terminators?

Also, do you know if the tyranid guy has big creatures, or just a bunch of little bugs?

Two Tac squads with combiplasma, plasmagun, plasma cannon. 195 points each.

Libby w nullzone 100.

TFC for the nids, 100.

tyranids last time fielded-
tyrant lord somthing, big dude
Carnifex
3x? with toxic cannons. 3x wounds each, medium size
gene stealers x10 i think

Not played against DA guy before so dont know much.

Ok, translations: so the tyranid player has a Hive tyrant, a Carnifex, 3 tyranid warriors with Devourers, and then 10 genestealers. interesting list.

I'd go with the list Loricatus suggested. If the DA guy doesn't have storm shields, he will have a tough time with all those plasma shots.
If he does have lots of storm shields, the librarian with null zone will make him re-roll his successful invul saves.

The best thing to deal with the nids is to stay out of combat! That thunderfire cannon with its' special tremor shot does a great job at slowing them down. which gives you more precious time to deal with them.

You'll definately be outmatched by both armies in assault, so try to stay out of it. and if you are cought in assault, read up on the combat tactics special rule. They really help out.

Yes they can take terminators as troops. It requires a certain HQ.

If those stealers reach you, you are mince meat. Get the TFC onto them immediately and kill them asap.

Hate stealers. Brr.

Avoid flanks of your deployment zone.

Stealers die to bolter rounds. Just pour it into them. Remember to shoot at those out of terain (you declear before you shoot.) The few that are left will loose one to ovwerwatch. If the dice gods are fickle I would sugest standing in cover so he strikes last.

Use grenades in melle against the MC's if you can not manadge to shoot them first. Remember: If you are shooting at a MC you better be comitted to kill it. A MC with one wound left is just as good as one with full wounds.

 Niiai wrote:
Stealers die to bolter rounds. Just pour it into them. Remember to shoot at those out of terain (you declear before you shoot.) The few that are left will loose one to ovwerwatch. If the dice gods are fickle I would sugest standing in cover so he strikes last.

Use grenades in melle against the MC's if you can not manadge to shoot them first. Remember: If you are shooting at a MC you better be comitted to kill it. A MC with one wound left is just as good as one with full wounds.

Very true! especially about the monstrous creatures. They can be very nasty!

thanks for all the tips.
Problem is i dont have tfc. Got dev sq though. will this do?

sc1980 wrote:
thanks for all the tips.
Problem is i dont have tfc. Got dev sq though. will this do?

Well TFC's are one of the best things to get.

Comes with a 50 pt Techmarine that will let you fortify a terrain-piece, and one of the best artillery pieces available to you. Slays horde infantry, dishes out difficult terrain (great for messing with fast armies), or can ignore cover at great range. Incredibly useful stopgap for some of SM's blaring weaknesses.

Well, what weapons do your Devs got?

sc1980 wrote:
tyranids last time fielded-
tyrant lord somthing, big dude
Carnifex
3x? with toxic cannons. 3x wounds each, medium size
gene stealers x10 i think

Not played against DA guy before so dont know much.

So...
Hive Tyrant
Carnifex
3x Tyranid Warriors with devourers
10x Genestealers

Well, to be honest, this is rather an interesting list. The Tyranid Warriors will be your first target really, if you can manage it. Keep an eye on the genestealers, and pop them if they go out into the open, otherwise, with that low a squad, hes gunna have them hugging the hills most of the match. Of the Carnifex and Hive Tyrant, focus on the tyrant first unless the carnifex starts looking like it is about a turn or so from being in assualt position. As is, hes gonna have to keep his synapse near the carnifex in order to keep it in line and on target. If you and your friend pop the Hive Tyrant and the Warriors first thing, his carnifex will sadly be mostly useless. Just beware though, because the minute that you guys pop the synapse, that carnifex will have rage.

dev sq ive got a mixture available. 2xplas cannon, 2xHbolt, 1xlas,1x mmelt and 1xmissile.
thinking 2x hbolters to pop of gene stealers and 2xplasma cannon for larger monsters??

sc1980 wrote:
dev sq ive got a mixture available. 2xplas cannon, 2xHbolt, 1xlas,1x mmelt and 1xmissile.
thinking 2x hbolters to pop of gene stealers and 2xplasma cannon for larger monsters??

That would be nice if you could split fire, but only Space Wolf devastators can do that.

So we have to figure what weapons will be best for your situation and also fit into your points limit. (fighting terminators, some genestealers, warriors, and two tyranid monstrous creatures
-plasma cannons will be great for killing terminators, can be used to put some wounds on the big creatures. small blast so can deal multiple wounds to a squad.
-Missile launchers at tyranid warriors are hilarious. S8 ap3, so no armor save and insta-kill. Only one shot, so you'll need a few of them working together to kill a big creature. Also has frag option so can shoot small blast to take out little bugs.
-Heavy bolter is free for the tact squad, great for mowing down genestealers, and can do decent damage to warriors. Use this only if you are pressed for points (which you are).
-Lascannon is expensive, but puts a wound on anything. I wouldn't suggest spending points on this for this game. The Plasma Cannons and multimelta can do the same thing for cheaper.
-Multi-Melta is nice for vehicle killing, also good at killing terminators and big bugs. Only one shot, shorter range than missile, but better ap.

and darn, trying to fit in 2 tact squads, a Dev squad and Librarian at 600 pts is hard. but I think I may have a list that works. Total comes to 595, so add a melta bomb, or swap a flamer for a melta.
Librarian with Null Zone and Smite
Tact squad with 10 marines. flamer and Heavy Bolter
Tact squad with 10 marines. flamer and Heavy Bolter
Dev squad with 2 plasmacannons and multi-melta

Use the Tact squads to mow down genestealers and warriors (take out the troops so he can't hold objectives). Also use your tact squad as protection/bubblewrap for your devastators. Keep the tacts inbetween big threats and the Devs.
Fire the Devs at the biggest closest threat. They should be able to kill the carnifex, hive tyrant, or the terminators in two good turns of shooting. If they get to close, force them to charge the tact squad, lose combat in enemy turn, use combat tactics, run away, then unload with the devastators on your turn again to finish them off.

Use the librarian's null zone if his terminators have Storm Shields. If he doesn't then feel free to use him however you want, maybe use the rulebook powers to enhance your shooting.Make sure he is in a squad so he doesn't get picked off.

Hopefully this was helpful

That was moronic nonsense.

Sorry couldnt resist.

Good advice.

thanks all helps me out quite a bit.
cheers

Unyielding Hunger 492945 5051604 fcca8c462f6b4b9ea73a64cbca903157 wrote:As is, hes gonna have to keep his synapse near the carnifex in order to keep it in line and on target. If you and your friend pop the Hive Tyrant and the Warriors first thing, his carnifex will sadly be mostly useless. Just beware though, because the minute that you guys pop the synapse, that carnifex will have rage.

Rage is only good anymore - it will give the fex +2 attacks on the charge instead of 1, and its fearless by default. If he leaves the Fex in Synapse you should thank him.

He only has 40 points for options - if I was him I'd take the 2+ save on the Tyrant. It means that his whole army only has 3 guns, but they're going to be rough in CC.