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2012/12/07 15:46:01
Subject: Something about the new GW table for city fighting
I am sure many signed up fo Forgeworl have seen the new cityy-scape table they made right? If not, they have a youtube link. ,
and I kept thinking, I am sure I have already seen something similar before, and then it hit me! http://www.miniaturescenery.com/CategoryPage.asp?CODE=CAT_BGND so take some of the raised platforms for their modular buildings, mold onto the board pieces, make resin or plastic instead of MDC, and voila! and so many folks not knowing of Miniatures Scenery will not know their city board has been around for years before forgeworld made theirs.
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2012/12/07 15:52:39
Subject: Re:Something about the new GW table for city fighting
Yes, they are similar, in as so far as they are flat and cityscape-like. I'm sorry, but I'm not getting the point. There exist a lot of companies that make a lot of similar products. This is even true outside of the wargaming industry.
The point is that if GW says to the other company to cease making a product that was out well before they made their city scape, they would be in the wrong to do so
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2012/12/07 16:30:54
Subject: Something about the new GW table for city fighting
shasolenzabi wrote: The point is that if GW says to the other company to cease making a product that was out well before they made their city scape, they would be in the wrong to do so
shasolenzabi wrote: The point is that if GW says to the other company to cease making a product that was out well before they made their city scape, they would be in the wrong to do so
Have they done so?
Can't see any note of them having done so.
It's just another "GW EVIL!" thread, from what I can tell.
2012/12/07 16:46:07
Subject: Something about the new GW table for city fighting
shasolenzabi wrote: The point is that if GW says to the other company to cease making a product that was out well before they made their city scape, they would be in the wrong to do so
Have they done so?
Can't see any note of them having done so.
It's just another "GW EVIL!" thread, from what I can tell.
Okay. I want to try:
"The point is that if GW begins burning orphanages and kicking puppies, they would be in the wrong to do so"
notprop wrote: I have no problem with GW kicking puppies so long as they have first taped allot of kittens to their boots first.
That is all.
But are these living kittens or all the kittens that Jervis says people have killed by saying "fluff" instead of "background"?
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2012/12/07 18:46:51
Subject: Something about the new GW table for city fighting
Actually, the point is that there has been a similar product out there, and that IF it is said by GW that they ought to stop for infringement on their IP the truth is that they have done the turn around and made a product of similar design of an already existing set. Now granted, they have yet to do so, and likely they won't, I was making more a note that the similarity of the two products is such that it MAY set off a bun-war between the two companies. Although the costs of either product still makes it tough to swallow for either one. But considering how much the older product is and what you get for the costs, I may one day go the MDC die cut route. The resin is too spicey in the price for me. But to each their own. Those who can shell the cash out for the resin squares is up to them to do so. Each design has it's issues. I would be likely to make the MDC product a permanent home table set, or in-store set as the drawback to that much MDC is the weight. But I did buy their version of a troop lander or as GW call 'em, Drop-pod and they are nicely done models even if they do not have mobile doors.
Like I said, this is more a pre-emptive watch thing I have seen GW use this companie's Pantheon set for some fantasy pics so they are aware of these guys from Australia, for all I know one of their designers came and joined FW to help them with fresh ideas.
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2012/12/07 18:51:00
Subject: Something about the new GW table for city fighting
shasolenzabi wrote: Actually, the point is that there has been a similar product out there, and that IF it is said by GW that they ought to stop for infringement on their IP the truth is that they have done the turn around and made a product of similar design of an already existing set. Now granted, they have yet to do so, and likely they won't, I was making more a note that the similarity of the two products is such that it MAY set off a bun-war between the two companies. Although the costs of either product still makes it tough to swallow for either one. But considering how much the older product is and what you get for the costs, I may one day go the MDC die cut route. The resin is too spicey in the price for me. But to each their own. Those who can shell the cash out for the resin squares is up to them to do so. Each design has it's issues. I would be likely to make the MDC product a permanent home table set, or in-store set as the drawback to that much MDC is the weight. But I did buy their version of a troop lander or as GW call 'em, Drop-pod and they are nicely done models even if they do not have mobile doors.
Beyond the fact that you find a FW set of terrain that is vaguely flat and city related similar to another vaguely flat and city related set of terrain, is there anything in that paragraph this is not speculation?
Like I said, this is more a pre-emptive watch thing I have seen GW use this companie's Pantheon set for some fantasy pics so they are aware of these guys from Australia, for all I know one of their designers came and joined FW to help them with fresh ideas.
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Okay... so, are you going to create threads for every other wargaming company in existence that has products with a passing similarity to ones GW are producing?
My point is that speculation on what mustache-twirling deed of utter villainy GW may or may not pursue next is kind of an unhelpful, to say the least.
shasolenzabi wrote: Actually, the point is that there has been a similar product out there, and that IF it is said by GW that they ought to stop for infringement on their IP the truth is that they have done the turn around and made a product of similar design of an already existing set.
Whatever it is you're smoking, you really should share.
2012/12/07 20:06:57
Subject: Something about the new GW table for city fighting
shasolenzabi wrote: Actually, the point is that there has been a similar product out there, and that IF it is said by GW that they ought to stop for infringement on their IP the truth is that they have done the turn around and made a product of similar design of an already existing set. Now granted, they have yet to do so, and likely they won't, I was making more a note that the similarity of the two products is such that it MAY set off a bun-war between the two companies. Although the costs of either product still makes it tough to swallow for either one. But considering how much the older product is and what you get for the costs, I may one day go the MDC die cut route. The resin is too spicey in the price for me. But to each their own. Those who can shell the cash out for the resin squares is up to them to do so. Each design has it's issues. I would be likely to make the MDC product a permanent home table set, or in-store set as the drawback to that much MDC is the weight. But I did buy their version of a troop lander or as GW call 'em, Drop-pod and they are nicely done models even if they do not have mobile doors.
Like I said, this is more a pre-emptive watch thing I have seen GW use this companie's Pantheon set for some fantasy pics so they are aware of these guys from Australia, for all I know one of their designers came and joined FW to help them with fresh ideas.
You don't seem to understand why GW has cited "infringement" on various companies.
However you feel about the Chapterhouse case, Chapterhouse is a company in a country which is viewed as being receptive to "cracking down" on IP infringement.
Places like Poland and Russia (where a lot of the "not GW" companies seem to be based) are seemingly seen as write-offs, much like China, when it comes to trying to keep them from infringing on IPs.
If this company was advertising themselves as selling "Realm of Battle tiles" or "Warhammer 40k urban cityscapes", that would be a different matter entirely.
2012/12/08 01:04:44
Subject: Something about the new GW table for city fighting
I do recall a game4 that had some very clear copies of old style Cadians in metal,,,,,Demonblade miniatures was the company, they got into t lot of trouble for simply renaming some blatant remakes of the troopers and the bikes, and heir original Jersey Boyz were very much OrKs. They had a good point going after that one. Chapterhouse, they were making things that GW was not in a style very similar to GW so a bit of a battle there but a licensing fee and all would be good.
As to the last sentence, point taken, the Australian company does not make their sets bearing names that might anger GW.
Just there stuff has been around a while.
Now not sure how many folks would want to play with the MDF stiff as opposed to the resin. That would be a choice between how much one wants to spend and if they want to seal and paint the MDF boards or just go with Resin as it is already waterproof at the present point of materials choice.
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Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!
2012/12/08 01:48:09
Subject: Something about the new GW table for city fighting
Who was the outfit that made the killer looking primarchs a while back? I remember they'd made Sanguinious, Ferrus Manus, and Fulgrim. I think they were out of Poland or Russia.
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2012/12/08 03:05:43
Subject: Something about the new GW table for city fighting
shasolenzabi wrote: Like I said, this is more a pre-emptive watch thing I have seen GW use this companie's Pantheon set for some fantasy pics so they are aware of these guys from Australia, for all I know one of their designers came and joined FW to help them with fresh ideas.
Where was this? I doubt GW would ever use another companies terrain when they make there own.
Kara
2012/12/08 04:45:26
Subject: Something about the new GW table for city fighting
Yeah, it's the same except for the two huge ways in which it's different:
1) The FW one has much more vertical depth. The miniaturescenery one is flat, which is fine for gaming purposes if you just need to know where all the terrain features are located, but the FW one is much more impressive if you want display-quality terrain to play on. If you look at the pictures you'll see that some of the terrain elements are taller than 28mm infantry, which is a pretty big difference compared to just a flat outline.
2) The FW one is just better quality overall. Better material, better detail. There's more fine detail in the rubble/tile lines/etc that brings it to life as more than just a map of what rules apply to your models. Again, the miniaturescenery one is fine if you just want something simple and good enough for gaming, but it's not a replacement for the FW one.
Also, the idea that GW could sue anyone for making a vaguely similar product is just stupid. Chapterhouse got sued for stealing specific IP elements, there's no way you could make a legitimate claim to exclusive IP ownership of something as vague as "wargaming scenery with roads and buildings". Other than a superficial similarity common to every "roads and buildings" terrain design the two are entirely different in design.
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