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Barnie25 wrote: I would probably go for an unit of pink horrors. More wounds / models.
The fact that you only have to kill 12/20 Pinks before the remaining 8 flee from morale makes this a moot point. And EVEN IF they auto-pass, it's just 8 Pinks...that's 16 BS4 shots, it's hardly a threat.
Pinks are actually LESS durable than the Flamers+Brims.
"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21
New slaanesh daemons for AOS, so high chance they are getting ported over to 40k to, new special character herald with a daemon prince as a mount (tag team) could be interesting.
KOS is also getting buffed to the same stats as the other greater daemons, though this could end up a nerf considering how cheap they are at the moment.
All they've really shown so far is the book covers, some models, some endless spells, and the cover for the AOS battletome so far though they do describe one model as "an unholy tag team between a daemon prince and a herald" though I have a feeling that model will be AOS exclusive based on the aesthetic.
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All they've really shown so far is the book covers, some models, some endless spells, and the cover for the AOS battletome so far though they do describe one model as "an unholy tag team between a daemon prince and a herald" though I have a feeling that model will be AOS exclusive based on the aesthetic.
Is there anything that is an AOS exclusive in any other armies that are Daemons? Besides the mortal stuff and redundant stuff like Hellstriders?
I am super pumped about all this new Slaanesh stuff! Seems to align with what I thought... new KOS and new heralds (since they removed our mounted versions). There's some kind of mirror thing as well that they did not name/mention... there will likely be a terrain piece for us as well that was shown off in the video. Depending on what it does it could be quite useful.
Where did you see that the KOS is getting a stats upgrade? I wouldn't mind more wounds but the KOS cost atm is amazing... so hopefully it doesn't get bumped up too much.
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All they've really shown so far is the book covers, some models, some endless spells, and the cover for the AOS battletome so far though they do describe one model as "an unholy tag team between a daemon prince and a herald" though I have a feeling that model will be AOS exclusive based on the aesthetic.
Is there anything that is an AOS exclusive in any other armies that are Daemons? Besides the mortal stuff and redundant stuff like Hellstriders?
I am super pumped about all this new Slaanesh stuff! Seems to align with what I thought... new KOS and new heralds (since they removed our mounted versions). There's some kind of mirror thing as well that they did not name/mention... there will likely be a terrain piece for us as well that was shown off in the video. Depending on what it does it could be quite useful.
Where did you see that the KOS is getting a stats upgrade? I wouldn't mind more wounds but the KOS cost atm is amazing... so hopefully it doesn't get bumped up too much.
All the greater daemons got a stat upgrade, when because the models are over twice as a big.
Based on the shot in the Hedonites of Slaanesh video showing the new KoS next to the Infernal Enrapturess, shkle appears to be around the same size as Zarakynel.
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So here's a screen-grab of the Warhammer Community video;
and here's The Violet Heart, who in terms of height is a stock Zarakynel, next to a Daemonette;
Am I taking crazy pills, or do the sizes look similar? Granted, new KoS is stood straight while Zarakynel's pose is all a bit 'done a poo' but the actual minis seem the same size to me.
Of course, this is all based on the assumption that the Infernal Enrapturess is a roughly similar size to a Daemonette.
All they've really shown so far is the book covers, some models, some endless spells, and the cover for the AOS battletome so far though they do describe one model as "an unholy tag team between a daemon prince and a herald" though I have a feeling that model will be AOS exclusive based on the aesthetic.
They ported over Horticulous Slimux just fine and he's literally a dude on a giant snail with a pair of oversize garden shears, so I don't see why MasterBlaster can't come on over.
All they've really shown so far is the book covers, some models, some endless spells, and the cover for the AOS battletome so far though they do describe one model as "an unholy tag team between a daemon prince and a herald" though I have a feeling that model will be AOS exclusive based on the aesthetic.
They ported over Horticulous Slimux just fine and he's literally a dude on a giant snail with a pair of oversize garden shears, so I don't see why MasterBlaster can't come on over.
I'd say that to recoup the cost of the new molds, most of the new models will have to be ported over. After-all, its not like Slaanesh sells as well as the other three gods. There real question is what that mirror with the two heralds does. I'd imagine that their some kind of psychic unit.... Bah...it's GW though so it probably boosts summoning or some garbage like that.
I'm going to be running my Slaanesh stuff along my Khorne daemons in a 1000 point battle in a week, and this is the first time I've actually gotten to field my Slaanesh stuff. I'll be running a Daemon Prince(ss) and a foot Herald as HQs, but what psychic powers should I be running (my other army is Black Templars, so this whole witchery thing is a bit new to me...)? Delightful Agonies seems the most consistently useful, but what other power do I take? Symphony of Pain seems like the other best option, am I missing something?
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Cacophonic Choir can be pretty tasty, but you kinda have to build to it. Night Lords, Raptors, Zarakynel, another Psyker casting Phantasmagoria etc. Anything that debuffs Ld.
I don't care for Delightful Agonies, honestly. A 6++ save isn't much, IMO. I routinely run six Heralds and never use it.
In my experience, Symphony of Pain is the most useful, 'cause it helps your fragile wee beasties not die at the drop of a hat.
Then Hysterical Frenzy.
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I really like the look of Hysterical Frenzy, but why would the enemy remain in combat with me when I have it? All they have to do is back out and it does nothing, no?
Cacophonic Choir might actually be pretty good against screens though. One of my opponents plays Orks, so being able to sweep aside a bunch of Gretchin blocking my charge options might be good.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
Fiends stop them being able to do that unless the unit that wants to Fall Back can FLY.
Which means you need to keep your Fiends alive, so you cast SoP on the unit you're charging T2, then use HF T3 on whichever unit you charged in alongside your Fiends..
AlmightyWalrus wrote: I really like the look of Hysterical Frenzy, but why would the enemy remain in combat with me when I have it? All they have to do is back out and it does nothing, no?
Cacophonic Choir might actually be pretty good against screens though. One of my opponents plays Orks, so being able to sweep aside a bunch of Gretchin blocking my charge options might be good.
You use the old 'tri touch' technique with your deamonettes or seekers. Basically touch one model on three sides (that cannot fly) and they are unable to fall out of combat at all. I often position to do this on a unit that I am not attacking (so it isn't taken out as a casualty) and use my consolodate to get in close enough to attack in the next psychic phase.
Hey, I currently have a 1250 pt list that I am working on and this is the core that I am somewhat happy with (not sure if theres something I should change). This amounts to 1016 points, so I have 234 pts to play with
Supreme Command 1k Sons
HQ Ahriman
DPoT w/ Wings
DPoT w/ Wings, Helm, High Magister
I am currently debating between adding a unit of 30x letters or added 1 DPoK w/ Skullreaver and a unit of nurglings. Both options cost the same amount, I am just not sure what my list is missing. Having 3 DPs is nice, but IDK if I will have enough troops. Having letters is nice, but the CP cost is pretty brutal. Any suggestions on what I should do between these? Or if there would be another better option? Thanks
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gruyere wrote: Hey, I currently have a 1250 pt list that I am working on and this is the core that I am somewhat happy with (not sure if theres something I should change). This amounts to 1016 points, so I have 234 pts to play with
Supreme Command 1k Sons
HQ Ahriman
DPoT w/ Wings
DPoT w/ Wings, Helm, High Magister
I am currently debating between adding a unit of 30x letters or added 1 DPoK w/ Skullreaver and a unit of nurglings. Both options cost the same amount, I am just not sure what my list is missing. Having 3 DPs is nice, but IDK if I will have enough troops. Having letters is nice, but the CP cost is pretty brutal. Any suggestions on what I should do between these? Or if there would be another better option? Thanks
You'll find that, perhaps counter-intuitively, the Prince and Nurglings are more durable than the Bloodletters. This is due mainly to the morale phase--only 17 need to die to wipe the whole unit in the morale phase, unless you Blink (which will happen roughly once per game considering all the morales you'll have to take on a variety of your units).
The Prince has protection and the Nurglings are weirdly durable to small-arms fire.
Skullreaver Prince is really good against Titanics. If your opponent doesn't have Titanics, he's still decent with the basic axe, but not spectacular. Considering you're going to be playing at low points, consider giving him talons instead, so he's a blending machine. Nine S8 attacks will do work. He'll be especially good at killing Primaris (you'll kill roughly 5 models per fight with the talons) and Characters.
Note that, if you have 234pts left, you CANNOT afford the 235pts of a full Letter Bomb. You'll have to settle for 29 of them.
"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21
You'll find that, perhaps counter-intuitively, the Prince and Nurglings are more durable than the Bloodletters. This is due mainly to the morale phase--only 17 need to die to wipe the whole unit in the morale phase, unless you Blink (which will happen roughly once per game considering all the morales you'll have to take on a variety of your units).
The Prince has protection and the Nurglings are weirdly durable to small-arms fire.
Skullreaver Prince is really good against Titanics. If your opponent doesn't have Titanics, he's still decent with the basic axe, but not spectacular. Considering you're going to be playing at low points, consider giving him talons instead, so he's a blending machine. Nine S8 attacks will do work. He'll be especially good at killing Primaris (you'll kill roughly 5 models per fight with the talons) and Characters.
Note that, if you have 234pts left, you CANNOT afford the 235pts of a full Letter Bomb. You'll have to settle for 29 of them.
Thanks for the reply! And yeah, I figured I'd have to cut one of the letters but thats not a huge deal. That being said, I am leaning towards the prince due to what you mentioned. Do you think it would be worth it to switch off of a Khorne DP if I am not taking skullreaver? Nurgle DPs are nice and tanky, a DPoT could give me more psychic phase dominance and could have the impossible robe and be unkillable. I think DPoK might be best since 9 S8 attacks sounds really spicy (maybe I could diabolic strength to get 10 S10 hell yeah), but a tankier prince is definitely also appealing
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JNAProductions wrote: Elric, how do you get 9 Attacks on the Dual-Talon Khorne prince?
4 Base, +1 for Khorne, +3 for Dual Talons only gets me to 8.
Unstoppable ferocity on the charge +1 attack
Ah, that's it! Okay, I knew I was missing something.
Thanks, just wanted to make sure.
9A at S8 is pretty beefy...but the craziest amount of attacks goes to the new Flawless Host Slaaneshi Warlord Prince with Talons and Elixir. I know I know this is a Daemons thread...but we can ally these guys in!
Start with 7 base for 2 talons. Elixer adds 1 = 8A and adds 1S for S8. Flawless Host Trait is "Hits of 6+ get a bonus attack." (This stacks with DttFE!) Flawless Host Warlord is "If you generate an extra attack for your chapter tactic, it's actually 3 extra now." Give the Prince Prescience so this triggers on 5s.
Now, on average, you have FOURTEEN attacks against anything, at S8 AP-2 D2, or SIXTEEN against Imperium.
My only complaint is that he's still T6 3+ 5++ booooo.
Thanks for the reply! And yeah, I figured I'd have to cut one of the letters but thats not a huge deal. That being said, I am leaning towards the prince due to what you mentioned. Do you think it would be worth it to switch off of a Khorne DP if I am not taking skullreaver? Nurgle DPs are nice and tanky, a DPoT could give me more psychic phase dominance and could have the impossible robe and be unkillable. I think DPoK might be best since 9 S8 attacks sounds really spicy (maybe I could diabolic strength to get 10 S10 hell yeah), but a tankier prince is definitely also appealing
Is your Khorne Prince a DAEMON or a HERETIC? Bc Diabolic Strength can only be cast on HERETICS. You can't have Skullreaver and Diabolic Strength. You COULD mix a Heretic Khorne Prince into a pure Khorne Detachment, but not into a detachment that has any other daemons (like Nurglings). You could also put him into the TSons Detachment...but their extra 6" for psychic is actually really helpful, for both damage and buffs--I wouldn't want to lose it.
Most importantly, HERETIC Princes can't have Warp Surge, so they are stuck at a 5++.
Oh and speaking of special Daemon stuff, for either weapon option on your Khorne Prince, remember that you can always sub in the relic armour for a nice 4++. I use it on my Skullreaver Prince when the enemy doesn't have a Titanic unit.
That being said, I've had some good success with a Nurgle Prince Warlord. Give him the -1 to hit trait. Most of the time anything further away than 7" will be closer to something else of yours anyhow, so his trait will usually be good. Stack it with Miasma and he gets really nasty in CC.
My last game he went in against Girlyman, who was then hitting on 4s rerolling 1s. HAH. With Warp Surge I survived his swings, and managed to kill him off (he already had some wounds from Bloodletters).
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"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21
Is your Khorne Prince a DAEMON or a HERETIC? Bc Diabolic Strength can only be cast on HERETICS. You can't have Skullreaver and Diabolic Strength. You COULD mix a Heretic Khorne Prince into a pure Khorne Detachment, but not into a detachment that has any other daemons (like Nurglings). You could also put him into the TSons Detachment...but their extra 6" for psychic is actually really helpful, for both damage and buffs--I wouldn't want to lose it.
Most importantly, HERETIC Princes can't have Warp Surge, so they are stuck at a 5++.
Oh and speaking of special Daemon stuff, for either weapon option on your Khorne Prince, remember that you can always sub in the relic armour for a nice 4++. I use it on my Skullreaver Prince when the enemy doesn't have a Titanic unit.
That being said, I've had some good success with a Nurgle Prince Warlord. Give him the -1 to hit trait. Most of the time anything further away than 7" will be closer to something else of yours anyhow, so his trait will usually be good. Stack it with Miasma and he gets really nasty in CC.
My last game he went in against Girlyman, who was then hitting on 4s rerolling 1s. HAH. With Warp Surge I survived his swings, and managed to kill him off (he already had some wounds from Bloodletters).
Oh gak, I almost totally cheated cuz i missed that I cant cast diabolic on the Khorne prince! Thanks for the heads up. And true, I'll consider the Khorne DP or the Nurgle one! I also looked at a Slaanesh DP with Soulstealer, i'll just do some math to figure out what I want. I do like the sound of Armour of Scorn though!
My bad on double posting, but holy jesus is this Flawless Host DP insane. Definitely going with this. For the cost of 1 cp (since taking anything else flawless host is pretty miserable..., unless im missing something cheap), you get a turbo DP. As Elric said, 14 attacks average, but you can also cast all Dark Hereticus powers on him. Warptime, Presience, Diabolic Strength... good lord. It might be too much investment, and runs the risk of losing my warlord since hes gonna be a very aggressive unit, but this is an insane prince to slingshot in. If all those buffs go off (yeah i know, perfect world), having base 9 attacks that have a chance to explode at S10 AP -2 D2 seems completely bananas. The -1 CP would have been taking to give my KDP a skullreaver/armour of scorn anyway, the only big problem with my list is this DP will die real quick if I slingshot him in, but so will everything else he touches so seems worth it to me.
List is looking like this now:
1250/1250 PTS
Battalion Daemons
HQ Poxbringer
Changecaster
...reading @gruyere’s post, I’ve just clicked with a use for Fallen. Specifically, Cypher.
Make him your Warlord in Maelstrom.
He doesn’t get a Trait, but you can buy a Trait or two via Specialist Formations. Now, if you draw Priority Orders, he can ride in a Rhino to have a crack at them - and it doesn’t matter if he has to commit suicide by firebase; roll a 2+ (that you can CRR) and he doesn’t count as dead dead, no matter how much of a beating he took. That right there denies slay the Warlord & kingslayer, and potentially other TO’s your opponent was gunning for.
It’s gimmicky, but if you were already intending to take your Warlord from a Specialist Detachment, think of it as paying 1.17CP at the start of the game to make your own Warlord effectively disposable. If your opponent draws Kingslayer, you’ve effectively vetoed 2-4 VP’s. I’ve had games that close.
Shame GW are shy about giving Fallen an expanded armoury beyond metal boxes and an incompetent librarian. Still, there’s one gimmick that Fallen fans can try to pull off.
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