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Hey my friends are holding their own little tourney at their house nothing competitive but the winner gets a box of magnets!!!
I must have those magnets...
Not for any real reason other then to deny everybody else the magnets as i have plenty and am starting to create my own gravitational pull with all of them lol.

anyways people i'm playing against in the tourney
Khorne Daemons
Ere We Go Dakka Orks or Speed Freaks Orks
Not your most reliable Space Puppies (he rolls crappy has only won a few games even with evil nasty lists that should destroy us ie 3 1's on his plasma cannon gets hot in a longfangs squad then missing the rest).
Tank Spam non Parking Lot IG
and Shootinator Deathwing DA

so here's my list

HQ
Lelith

Archon
Agoniser
Shadow Field
Blast Pistol
Combat drugs

ELITES
8x Incubi
Klaivex
Demikliaves
Onslaught
Raider
Aethersails
Night shields

4x Kabalite Trueborn
4x Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon
Night Shields

4x Kabalite Trueborn
4x Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon
Night Shields


TROOPS
10x Kabalite Warriors
Raider
Splinter Racks
Night Shields

10x Kabalite Warriors
Raider
Splinter Racks
Night Shields

10x Wyches
2x Hydra Gauntlets
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Night Shields
Aether Sails

10x Wyches
2x Hydra Gauntlets
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Night Shields
Aether Sails

FAST ATTACK
6x Reavers
2x Cluster Caltrops
2x Heat Lance

HEAVY SUPPORT
Voidraven Bomber

feel free to toss in your 2 cents about it

i plan to run lelith with incubi and archon as sort of a deathstar for the ap 2 spam and they will draw fire as i get closer and closer to them i normally dont run incubi but they have been colecting dust on my shelf so i decided to toss'em in for a change
im not too concerned about the orks as the incubi and wyches usually are enough for me to start and clog up the movement of his units while my splinter raiders and jet bikes pick them off
i plan to use my incubi and blaster born with lances from reavers to deal with those nasty shootinators that just got updated
and for the IG i think im good with everything but the incubi being able to easily knock out those LRBT and Manticores


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oh and quick change the raiders all have disintegrator cannons

Why not run six reavers to get the same weapons, or nine to get more weapons?

Are the incubi in a raider? I think it would be a good call to put them in one...
Giving the archon drugs would be nice on the off chance you get a pain token off the bat for that squad. If not, hey, better archon.

I understand aethersails on the wytch raider, but why on the kabbie raiders? They should be shooting, not moving flat out all the time.

Oh ya forgot to put the raider on there for the incubi they got kind of jumbled up with the trueborn ill drop sails on the kabals and add drugs to buff the archon ill redo the points probly dropping bikes back down to 6


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Ok reworked the list a bit dropped 2 bikes and sails to get a raider for thr incubi then dropped the shield on raven for shields on the raider and I had a few points left over so I slapped on some shields and drugs on the archon

Nice base but some points as a DE to add:

HQ
Lelith - If she's going with Wyches you need to drop a wytch for space in raider

Archon
Agoniser - always
Shadow Field - always
Blast Pistol - not really neccessary, and he's not needed with incubi, believe it or not he runs better with the other wyches. Incubi are good enough alone, wyches can get tied up all game without him/lillith
Combat drugs

ELITES
8x Incubi - lose Klaivex for more bodies, 10 is scarier, if you have points to burn after, klaivex with onslaught first, the rest not needed (just don't get charged by bloodletters!)
Klaivex
Demikliaves
Onslaught
Raider
Aethersails
Night shields - infinitely worse than the flickerfield IMO, I'd switch on all raiders

4x Kabalite Trueborn - can't fault you, but again prefer flickerfield
4x Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon (assuming this is the second cannon you pay for)
Night Shields

4x Kabalite Trueborn
4x Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon
Night Shields


TROOPS
10x Kabalite Warriors - Good, splinter racks may be worth it, don't run them myself
Raider
Splinter Racks
Night Shields

10x Kabalite Warriors
Raider
Splinter Racks
Night Shields

10x Wyches - gauntlets and grenades good, again drop one if running hesperax here
2x Hydra Gauntlets
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Night Shields
Aether Sails

10x Wyches
2x Hydra Gauntlets
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Night Shields
Aether Sails

FAST ATTACK
6x Reavers - reavers are ok, normally i'd say sure, but you have far too little in heavy support!
2x Cluster Caltrops
2x Heat Lance

HEAVY SUPPORT
Voidraven Bomber - IMO if you're going voidraven you're paying a ton for missiles or not worth it, the bomb isn't great, and I prefer the free anti-horde payload with the fighter, either way, you need Ravagers, really - like 2 at least if not all 3 heavy slots with flickerfields all round

In summary: Drop Reavers and Klaivex, make voidraven the fighter (just a better deal for points), squeeze in one or two Ravagers, personally I prefer flickerfields, aeithersails not needed on shooty raiders imo, maybe not racks either. deathstar is nice but OP and wyches I feel need the characters more, but up to you - I'd try to run a squad of 10 incubi, a character in each wychboat, spread the threat - can't tell you how much you'll be glad you took more lance shots if you go with ravagers

Hope this helps and happy pilliaging!

I use night shields because they help against shoota boyz and most mid ranged fire until they can get to where they need to be and now with 6th skimmers get jink! I will definitely drop the reavers for another flier Im a bit hesitant on dropping a wych because they will lose a gauntlet but I will probably do that and buff the incubi I will probably have a few extra points leftover I will let you know after I rework the list

Yeah with jink Flicker fields are mostly not needed.

alright updated list a bit

HQ-295
Lelith

Archon
Agoniser
Shadow Field
Combat Drugs

ELITES-686
10x Incubi
Klaivex
Onslaught
Raider
Night Shields

4x Kabalite Trueborn
4x Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon

4x Kabalite Trueborn
4x Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon


TROOPS-726
10x Kabalite Warriors
Raider
Splinter Racks
Night Shields

10x Kabalite Warriors
Raider
Splinter Racks
Night Shields

9x Wyches
Hydra Gauntlet
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Night Shields
Aether Sails

9x Wyches
Hydra Gauntlet
Haywire Grenades
Raider
Night Shields
Aether Sails

HEAVY SUPPORT
Razorwing
Razorwing

What are you arming the razorwings with?

Just the naked monoscythe missiles they come with it for free and they do the job they need to do

I meant are you using disintegrators or dark lances on them, I havent tried them with lances but they works well in an anti-infantry role.

Im using lances for a better aa role and better AT because those vendettas and stormravens wont be going down to s5 anytine soon

The reason I prefer lances on the razor wing is it makes them a formidable threat vs. enemy flyers which the DE have little to battle with.

I agree with A Gumybear.

I also like to chage 2 of my missiles to the S7 ones as they are great when hitting light transports and tougher units. I like to put the template on the corner of a vehicle to hit it and any infantry hiding behind it.

Ya I would but im a bit short on points for anything else I think im at 1997ish


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Ya I would but im a bit short on points for anything else I think im at 1997ish


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I do have disintegrators on my raiders though as I find the 3 better then the 1 so I will usually hut at least once

I think if you want anti-air flyers your better off with void ravens. Normally id go disingtegrators, upgrade splinter cannon and stock missiles on a razxorwing. Makes them an ideal anti-infantry platform.

I just dont think the missiles lend themselves to anti-vehicle fighting.

You could free up pts by dropping a trueborn from each blaster squad ( I think 3 is enough, 4 is a bit overkill) and take a couple of Incubi out, a squad that size will munch through anything quick and then get stuck in the open and shot to bits.

Just try out the list and swap things about for some games, see what works best.

Im testing this list tonight im playing two games ill try one with razorwings and one with ravens I like ravens because of the lance lascannon wich is just a stupidly op Anti vehicle

You may want a flickerfield on your flyers. The FF will prevent you from having to take the evasive maneuver save, letting you fire at full BS the whole game.

if i do find myself having to jink then i will simply just zoom off map for next turn

My Fellow Brother! Hello! How has the raping been today? Capture any marines? lol jkjks

Wow, totally different then my 2000 pt strategy. Well I really like the troop choices you made, razorwings are just harsh. All i can say. lol like them. I like the excessive amount of incubi who i assume will accompany the archon as they go around and mess up the world. Hqs are excellent. Not really anything else to say. To me it just looks like your average, imperial raping D.E. Army



See My D.E tournament army idea here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/499901.page#5166545