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Inquisitor Earl wrote:That's the point, I dont want to ask the same question that others surely have emailed them about. They are busy at the best of times.

Hey mate, I'm yet to receive a response regarding this Don't know if anyone else has heard anything about Maelstrom honouring pre-orders made in this period?

Well I'm happy my new army is finished. Sadly because I am at home here in New Zealand I and many others will be turning to other companies and games.

Games Workshop have had the monopoly for a long time and have decided to commit commercial suicide out our ways and that's fine by me. I have just read the new terms and conditions as posted on BOLS and it is ludicrous. Many independent companies are going to take a hit from this rubbish.

For a few years now I have been buying from an independent retailer in Auckland, off their website and enjoying a 'reasonable price' and I use that term loosely. The game is well written and directed but the commercial and corporate aspects have killed the joy. Privateer Press will be rubbing their hands with glee, and I don't blame them.

Just sent off two letters, one to GW HQ in Memphis and one to their Nottingham HQ, to voice my displeasure with their practices. Until something changes, I'm afraid I'm not going to buy anything from here on out unless it's from a trade with someone. I've got the majority of my Ork Army built with a few units here and there left to do, but I've got all the bits I need, and I'll be fine playing 500 point Fantasy games with the small Lizardmen force I've had built and painted since January.

I contacted Maelstrom about preorders and got this reply

Hi,
Shipping is irrelevant, end of the month is cut off for you guys placing orders not us sending/fulfilling them, that can be done at any time so preorders and out of stock orders are all absolutely fine.


So good news for those of us outside the EU who wish to make one last large order before being cutoff from sane prices.

Cheers varag, Earl got the same response. Regards of the calls for boycott, I want to complete my DE army, and the order to do so has been placed.

Fun while it lasted :(

Wow this is the first time ive noticed this thread, what the Feth!

Grimtuff wrote:

-Loki- wrote:I'm kind of lucky that I never ordered online. My friends and I have only ever bought locally, so we aren't getting this 100% price increase that some people feel like they're getting.

Or, conversly you never saw how much of a massive saving Maelstrom could give you....

I never have the money to drop much in one go anyway. The most I've bought at once is, I think, two boxes.

I was considering buying the bulk of a 1500 point Vampire Counts army from Wayland Games, which would have cost me about $220au rather than $500au. I might still be able to if I can get the money together before the end of the month. Will I be annoyed if I can't? Sure. It won't stop me getting the army, I'll just do it a fair bit slower.

The thing is, my group of friends and myself only ever liked 40k. We tried branching out into other games for 20 years and it never happened, simply because 40k is what we enjoy. It's a miracle we've branched into Warhammer Fantasy, even if it is still GW. We've always bought locally, and the price hikes never really bothered us.

varag wrote:I contacted Maelstrom about preorders and got this reply

Hi,
Shipping is irrelevant, end of the month is cut off for you guys placing orders not us sending/fulfilling them, that can be done at any time so preorders and out of stock orders are all absolutely fine.


So good news for those of us outside the EU who wish to make one last large order before being cutoff from sane prices.

So this means I can go to Maelstrom games now and get myself the other half of my Space Wolves army at a price I can afford? That's... great! There is still hope for me in continuing this hobby if that's the case, thank you very much for posting that. ^^

It's chilled for the guys have have armies ready and painted... The veterans of the hobby will stay in it because what they love about it is what gets people to play in the first place: the stories and battles on otherworldly universe, and the fun you have across the tabletop.

Unfortunately, guys like me who are relatively just starting are going to suffer... it's not like I'm going to be satisfied with a 1000 pt army when I know there's potential to do more. It's like Loki said: all the price hikes do for us is slow the collecting progress...

Sam__theRelentless wrote:Unfortunately, guys like me who are relatively just starting are going to suffer... it's not like I'm going to be satisfied with a 1000 pt army when I know there's potential to do more. It's like Loki said: all the price hikes do for us is slow the collecting progress...

And when collecting is so slow-going it's very easy to lose interest in the endeavor altogether...

As a UK based independent webstore we do a large amount of our business to Australia and that will all have to cease when the new terms and condition come in to effect (we will still be able to send other products such as Warmachine, Malifaux, etc).

Not only will Independents such as ourselves be restricted to just Europe but from the 1st June we won't be able to get releases in foreign languages until 3-8 weeks after they are officially released thanks to GW's new policy...

We will of course still have our shop in central London so if any of you guys are ever near the London Eye then pop in, say 'hi' and save some money!

DarkSphere wrote:As a UK based independent webstore we do a large amount of our business to Australia and that will all have to cease when the new terms and condition come in to effect (we will still be able to send other products such as Warmachine, Malifaux, etc).

Not only will Independents such as ourselves be restricted to just Europe but from the 1st June we won't be able to get releases in foreign languages until 3-8 weeks after they are officially released thanks to GW's new policy...

We will of course still have our shop in central London so if any of you guys are ever near the London Eye then pop in, say 'hi' and save some money!

Are you entitled to any compensation from lost revenue, i would suggest that you and all other Indies that are effected like this consider getting legal advice over compensation and if you are entitled to it then a class action law suit would be the order of the day, maybe in the best case scenario a several million pound law suit might wake up those ivory tower hack at GW.

maybe in the best case scenario a several million pound law suit might wake up those ivory tower hack at GW.

If it did it would be too late because said lawsuit would likely be the final nail in GW's coffin.

I don't know if this has already been asked, but I don't fancy scrolling through 18 pages to find out.

Where do Australians stand in terms of ordering from the official US GW site? It's still a lot cheaper than buying local, but does anyone know if they will ship to Australia?

We won't know until we try after June 1st.

And I wouldn't order from the US website anyway, not with the high shipping costs they have. The UK website ain't much better, but it is better.

Achaylus72 wrote:
Are you entitled to any compensation from lost revenue, i would suggest that you and all other Indies that are effected like this consider getting legal advice over compensation and if you are entitled to it then a class action law suit would be the order of the day, maybe in the best case scenario a several million pound law suit might wake up those ivory tower hack at GW.

What GW is doing is legal, so they can't be sued for it. Paying a lawyer to tell you that just makes the lawyer richer.

We here in the Uk could always foreward maelstrom orders at the cost of the extra shipping only, sounds like itd still be cheaper than ordering from gw

-Loki- wrote:I never have the money to drop much in one go anyway. The most I've bought at once is, I think, two boxes.

I was considering buying the bulk of a 1500 point Vampire Counts army from Wayland Games, which would have cost me about $220au rather than $500au. I might still be able to if I can get the money together before the end of the month. Will I be annoyed if I can't? Sure. It won't stop me getting the army, I'll just do it a fair bit slower.

The thing is, my group of friends and myself only ever liked 40k. We tried branching out into other games for 20 years and it never happened, simply because 40k is what we enjoy. It's a miracle we've branched into Warhammer Fantasy, even if it is still GW. We've always bought locally, and the price hikes never really bothered us.

I've got a better idea in which you can get a fantastic 1500pt VC army very very cheap, and with better looking models. Buy Mantic and Gamezone from one of the online retailers.

Mantic Undead are brilliant, and a lot better looking than GW's VC stuff. They have all the units you need available, and if you buy one of their boxed deals you can get even more miniatures for cheap.

All main regiments are covered by them - Zombies & Ghouls (both way better than GW's and also interchangeable between each other for different poses), Skeletons, Revenants (can be used as Grave Guard), Black Knights (their Cavalry dudes) as well as wraiths, Necromancers, and even a Vamp on winged Nightmare (which some like and some don't).

Gamezone makes possibly the best looking Blood Knights available, and still a lot cheaper than GW's. They also make great plague carts, dire wolves, and if you branch into the Dark Elf line, you can also get Harpies to use as fell bats (flying vampire chicks? Hell yeah!). Bat swarms can come from Reaper Minis, or even better, the ones from Masquerade Mini's if you can afford the postage.

Avatars of War also makes a fantastic Vampire Female on foot, which I have ordered, as well as "The Old Death" from Enigma Miniatures, which I am determined to shoe horn in somewhere.

Essentially, you no longer need GW at all. Definitely not for a VC army. And they'll look a hell of a lot better too while also coming in cheaper to buy than GW's stuff (which looks dated and just bloody ugly now. Ugh, those zombies).

You want GW to rue this decision? Stop buying from them.

Fenriswulf wrote:

-Loki- wrote:I never have the money to drop much in one go anyway. The most I've bought at once is, I think, two boxes.

I was considering buying the bulk of a 1500 point Vampire Counts army from Wayland Games, which would have cost me about $220au rather than $500au. I might still be able to if I can get the money together before the end of the month. Will I be annoyed if I can't? Sure. It won't stop me getting the army, I'll just do it a fair bit slower.

The thing is, my group of friends and myself only ever liked 40k. We tried branching out into other games for 20 years and it never happened, simply because 40k is what we enjoy. It's a miracle we've branched into Warhammer Fantasy, even if it is still GW. We've always bought locally, and the price hikes never really bothered us.

I've got a better idea in which you can get a fantastic 1500pt VC army very very cheap, and with better looking models. Buy Mantic and Gamezone from one of the online retailers.

Mantic Undead are brilliant, and a lot better looking than GW's VC stuff. They have all the units you need available, and if you buy one of their boxed deals you can get even more miniatures for cheap.

All main regiments are covered by them - Zombies & Ghouls (both way better than GW's and also interchangeable between each other for different poses), Skeletons, Revenants (can be used as Grave Guard), Black Knights (their Cavalry dudes) as well as wraiths, Necromancers, and even a Vamp on winged Nightmare (which some like and some don't).

Gamezone makes possibly the best looking Blood Knights available, and still a lot cheaper than GW's. They also make great plague carts, dire wolves, and if you branch into the Dark Elf line, you can also get Harpies to use as fell bats (flying vampire chicks? Hell yeah!). Bat swarms can come from Reaper Minis, or even better, the ones from Masquerade Mini's if you can afford the postage.

Avatars of War also makes a fantastic Vampire Female on foot, which I have ordered, as well as "The Old Death" from Enigma Miniatures, which I am determined to shoe horn in somewhere.

Essentially, you no longer need GW at all. Definitely not for a VC army. And they'll look a hell of a lot better too while also coming in cheaper to buy than GW's stuff (which looks dated and just bloody ugly now. Ugh, those zombies).

You want GW to rue this decision? Stop buying from them.

And thats the way to do it. Play the game you love but dont give GW your money

problem for people in UK forwarding orders to Auz is the royal mail cut off point.

anything over 2kg has to go via parcelforce which costs a fortune.

I dont know about other couriers, but there must be a cheaper/decent one about!

People suggesting using freight forwarders probably don't understand the full picture. What makes buying from the UK so cheap for us is because the items are being sent overseas, we don't pay VAT. Maelstrom and Wayland convert the VAT into paying the shipping. That lets us buy at the same price UK folks do. If goods were sent to forwarders, we pay the full UK price (including VAT), and then have to pay the shipping on top. That international freight charge is a killer.

Aspiring Champion is spot on

Time for us all to just go play StarCraft 2....we'll enjoy it more

Sanjay

Activision is a company even less deserving of my money, so I'd rather not.

More interested in Diablo 3 anyway...

Blizzard == Activision. So dont get Diablo 3 if you dont like Activision

As pointed out above: the EU allows trademark holders, of which GW certanly is, to control the export and import of their goods around the EEA. Normaly used to control *imports*, but the same principle applies to exports

See Lev i Jeans vs Tesco

If they say you cannot export, you cannot export. You could try to sue for lost earnings, however this would be an ambitious move to make, given this is a totally lega, well settled area of law. It was a little caveat emptor, essentially.

BTW - not saying I agree with the above, but it seemed almost inevitable.

More specifically the company is called Activision Blizzard now. There is no Activision, there is no Blizzard, they are one and the same. Though Blizzard acts like a company within Activision Blizzard.

Hey Australia... Show GW your own embargo by making Games Day Australia 2011 the worst Games Day in history.

EBay.

Hey guys some hope on the horizon
http://www.beastsofwar.com/kings-of-war/leaked-mantic-sci-fi-pictures/

OMG..Fenris - those Mantic skeletons. they look very good. Are they a bit taller? ie. proper humanoid scale as well?

and for 8 pounds instead of..whatever GW charges for 10?

To round out more undead for D&D, i'm just gonna get those.

Sanjay