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 cincydooley wrote:
Depends if its "real" resin or restic.

I see this from the faq

What are your models made out of?


Our hired hands are made out of plastic. The technical name of our plastic is High Impact Polystyrene or HIP. This type of plastic is the same style and quality as what you have seen from GW, Wyrd Miniatures, and Dream-Forge. This is not resin plastic.

The rest of our models will be cast in high detail Resin. This is the same quality of resin that you have seen with forgeworld, Dark Age, and others. This is not the same as finecast or similar soft resins.

Looking to split a corrupt. must be in the United States. anyone interested?

Perfect. Tanks mardohl.

Also, card preview and Outlaw Hire Hands #2 up.

The cards look nearly identical to WM/H cards.

Heres a tidbit to remember also if considering pledging. There will be a 30% off coupon with your pledge. This is a one time use voucher to be used after kickstarter, they just couldn't advertise it since kickstarter does not allow that. I'm not sure what level that starts exactly, but I know all the figure package levels wicked and above get it.

So you can get a bit of a deal later if you didn't want to invest heavy immediately in a new game. Or if there are groups down the road like the confederates you like, you could pledge low and wait for them to come out to cash in.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Heres a tidbit to remember also if considering pledging. There will be a 30% off coupon with your pledge. This is a one time use voucher to be used after kickstarter, they just couldn't advertise it since kickstarter does not allow that. I'm not sure what level that starts exactly, but I know all the figure package levels wicked and above get it.

So you can get a bit of a deal later if you didn't want to invest heavy immediately in a new game. Or if there are groups down the road like the confederates you like, you could pledge low and wait for them to come out to cash in.

And they advertised this where?

Edit: found it

Edit the second: So they're still offering the coupon, even after Kickstarter said no, and even after they changed the stretch goal to 5% off all addons...

Yes. They can't advertise it as part of the reward, but nothing can stop them from throwing it in your box. The advertising is the key. It's just word of mouth essentially.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Yes. They can't advertise it as part of the reward, but nothing can stop them from throwing it in your box. The advertising is the key. It's just word of mouth essentially.

So I have to rely on the word of someone from the internet, and if/when I pledge, I email the people behind the kickstarter and say, "Hey, Earth Dragon said I'd get a 30% coupon, when do I get that?" And they said, "We can't offer that." Oh well now I'm out of luck and have been lied to... With nothing official, there's nothing to hold them to if they lie and renege on their "promise".

......sigh

 destrox76 wrote:

Man dude did you get beat up by monkies as a kid or something you are way to grumpy!

Anarchy and chaos is all he knows.

 destrox76 wrote:
@ alfndrate

Its mentioned in the comments section on kickstarter. its the reason why there are two 5% stretch goals.so earth dragon is right. If you spent half time reading up on the game as spend complaining about it you would have your answers.

Man dude did you get beat up by monkies as a kid or something you are way to grumpy!

There are over 4 thousand comments. Without digging through them, all the information a regular person has regarding this is the following:

Earth Dragon wrote:
Heres a tidbit to remember also if considering pledging. There will be a 30% off coupon with your pledge. This is a one time use voucher to be used after kickstarter, they just couldn't advertise it since kickstarter does not allow that. I'm not sure what level that starts exactly, but I know all the figure package levels wicked and above get it.

So you can get a bit of a deal later if you didn't want to invest heavy immediately in a new game. Or if there are groups down the road like the confederates you like, you could pledge low and wait for them to come out to cash in.

Outlaw Miniatures wrote:Hi everyone. Today we received an email from the great people at Kickstarter.

It seems that part of the kickstarter policy is not to include discounts on future purchases during your campaign.

This is something Kickstarter takes very seriously so we must obey the rules. However we are going to award everyone with a stretch goal that will fit in that slot.

We are bumping up the 5% off discount on all add-on items right now and will be updating the website to show this.

All other stretch goals seem to be fine and kickstarter really likes our project and its success. Here is to cooler goals and and even bigger week then last.

We also include a cool picture to brighten your day.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wildwestexodus/wild-west-exodus-sci-fi-western-miniatures-game/posts/409262#comments

So who am I supposed to believe? And for the record, they weren't monkeys, they were apes... Forgive me for not wanting to part with my money so easily. This project has a lot of alarms it's setting off, and it doesn't sit right.

well then if you feel that strongly about it dont pledge. but something makes me think you never were going to anyway.

sucks about the ape thing...sorry. who knew i could be so intuitive.

@Charlie - Kickstarter does not allow you to advertise that you will sell or allow for survey sales outside of the kickstarter. However we will allow our ks prices to be valid for 2 weeks after the ks with a few small price adjustments to the larger items. This is to make a bit of profit on them since they are so low right now. We will also put all the items you see on the kickstarter and a few surprises on our full shopping cart launching April 1st via the www.wildwestexodus.com webstie. That cart will have some amazing deals for armies and individual models as pre-orders. You will also be able to use your special 30% off discount coupon that all backers will get after the ks is over. Again, this can't be advertised but it will be part of it.

There is the reply to a question. I'd give you the comment page it was on, but I don't think anyone else will be as unbelieving or belligerent as yourself.

The only alarm is you are a freaking troll with some sort of unkown beef. you have proven that time and time again and no one is taking your skepticism seriously. All you had to freaking do is ASK if I could find the reference as I was already looking and it took a bit to dig it up.

Get over yourself man.

Earth Dragon wrote:
@Charlie - Kickstarter does not allow you to advertise that you will sell or allow for survey sales outside of the kickstarter. However we will allow our ks prices to be valid for 2 weeks after the ks with a few small price adjustments to the larger items. This is to make a bit of profit on them since they are so low right now. We will also put all the items you see on the kickstarter and a few surprises on our full shopping cart launching April 1st via the www.wildwestexodus.com webstie. That cart will have some amazing deals for armies and individual models as pre-orders. You will also be able to use your special 30% off discount coupon that all backers will get after the ks is over. Again, this can't be advertised but it will be part of it.

There is the reply to a question. I'd give you the comment page it was on, but I don't think anyone else will be as unbelieving or belligerent as yourself.

I would like the link thanks . You can PM it to me if you want, I've got the other comment pages saved in my history.

The only alarm is you are a freaking troll with some sort of unkown beef. you have proven that time and time again and no one is taking your skepticism seriously. All you had to freaking do is ASK if I could find the reference as I was already looking and it took a bit to dig it up.

Get over yourself man.

I'm not trolling you all, sorry if I'm not as excited about this game as you are, and I don't care if no one takes my skepticism seriously, it's mine for a reason. And I did ask, and while you were searching, I was also searching. You guys are really defensive about this... :-\

No. you accused me of being a liar. That's not asking.

All ya gotta do is say "link please" "can I get a link bro" "can you link your reference"

There are dozens of pleasent options. I understand when you can hide behind a computer, it's easy to be a jerk. Don't attack people then be surprised they are defensive.

Earth Dragon wrote:
No. you accused me of being a liar. That's not asking.

All ya gotta do is say "link please" "can I get a link bro" "can you link your reference"

There are dozens of pleasent options.

I'm sorry, but I never called you a liar.

I'm out of luck and have been lied to

huh

I think both of us can use a break from this thread dude, so I'll talk to you later okay?

This is a reply from Outlaw to a question:

@Charlie - Kickstarter does not allow you to advertise that you will sell or allow for survey sales outside of the kickstarter. However we will allow our ks prices to be valid for 2 weeks after the ks with a few small price adjustments to the larger items. This is to make a bit of profit on them since they are so low right now. We will also put all the items you see on the kickstarter and a few surprises on our full shopping cart launching April 1st via the www.wildwestexodus.com webstie. That cart will have some amazing deals for armies and individual models as pre-orders. You will also be able to use your special 30% off discount coupon that all backers will get after the ks is over. Again, this can't be advertised but it will be part of it.



So to reiterate the point, the kickstarter had a stretch goal for a 30% off coupon, they were told you can't advertise coupons for later purcahses, but Outlaw has said you are still getting a coupon with your pledge as they originally promised. I'll see if I can find anything else that may specify if there is a certain pledge level.

I'm hoping to use it on for some of the future factions that might not get unlocked during the kickstarter.


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It's says all backers in the post, but I'll see if I can't get anything out of Outlaw. Not sure if you have to at least have something shipped and not just do the $10 rules PDF

 Alpharius wrote:
The new Enlightened that people are talking about:



I'm not really a big fan.

I like the bipedal versions better - aside from maybe the Spider looking one here...

So, how exactly do these double gun hand saps reload or even cock the hammers? They remind me of B.A.T.S. from GI Joe. Each of those guys had to be like 50 grand crapped away.

That's funny as I was thinking the same thing when I first saw them. After reading more about the game, I found out some guns in game don't use ballistics ammo, but a type of crude nuclear battery. As to the hammers, if they are some how pulling the trigger, I'm sure they figured out how to incorporate any other functions ; )

I am not a fan of the Enlightened. I see they are becoming a big draw, but they will be a very low model count in my collection. From my mock games, a starter box gives you a lot of options in the lower point total games tbh.

Morning all, before I head off to college just posting the latest updates. We have a look at an early version one of the character cards that come for each mini and a teaser for the second wave Outlaw hired hands
I think the card is looking cool and looking forward to seeing more of the wave 2 Hired hands.

Wild West Exodus Kickstarter: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wildwestexodus/wild-west-exodus-sci-fi-western-miniatures-game

Wild West Exodus Forum: http://www.wildwestexodusforum.com/index.php

Love the new outlaw hired hands!

Reminds me of the "Smuggler" toons in SWToR!!

Huh, those really do look like WM/H stat cards lol, what do ya know.

There's only so many different ways you can fit stats onto a card in a visually pleasing fashion without elements looking similar in some regards. There's plenty of differences between that style of card and the PP cards as well.

But who really cares? Every smartphone looks nearly identical now too. As long as there are minute differences, then legally there is no issue. And honestly I never understand why gamers in particular seem to get bent out of shape about some element in one game 'ripping off' some other game. In this day and age, everything is derivative of something that has come before, whether it is movies, video games, board games, miniature games, cars, appliances, art, etc, etc, etc.

So yeah, it has elements that mirror PP stat cards. Acknowledged and moving on...

 yakface wrote:

There's only so many different ways you can fit stats onto a card in a visually pleasing fashion without elements looking similar in some regards. There's plenty of differences between that style of card and the PP cards as well.

But who really cares? Every smartphone looks nearly identical now too. As long as there are minute differences, then legally there is no issue. And honestly I never understand why gamers in particular seem to get bent out of shape about some element in one game 'ripping off' some other game. In this day and age, everything is derivative of something that has come before, whether it is movies, video games, board games, miniature games, cars, appliances, art, etc, etc, etc.

So yeah, it has elements that mirror PP stat cards. Acknowledged and moving on...

Sorry, I realize that my posts haven't been the most positive in this thread, but I do like the look of the cards, the life dots around the picture distract from the art, especially since they're not symmetrical, but they are good looking stat cards.

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 yakface wrote:

There's only so many different ways you can fit stats onto a card in a visually pleasing fashion without elements looking similar in some regards. There's plenty of differences between that style of card and the PP cards as well.

But who really cares? Every smartphone looks nearly identical now too. As long as there are minute differences, then legally there is no issue. And honestly I never understand why gamers in particular seem to get bent out of shape about some element in one game 'ripping off' some other game. In this day and age, everything is derivative of something that has come before, whether it is movies, video games, board games, miniature games, cars, appliances, art, etc, etc, etc.

So yeah, it has elements that mirror PP stat cards. Acknowledged and moving on...

FWIW I posted that they looked similar first, so if you want to call anyone out, let it be me. However, I never said it was a bad thing. The aesthetic of the WM/H card is fantastic and I think they've done a really nice job with this mockup, overall. Changes I'd like:

1. The Stats on the right side should be moved. I dont know why I don't like them there, but they look cluttered and a bit too large. I think it's partly due to the font theyre in, but regardless, they look a bit off.
2. I'd drop the gradient on the stat box for a flat color. Not a huge fan of gradients on top of a background, though it isn't AS bad on the weapon boxes.
3. Speaking of fonts, I think there are too many different ones on the card. I'm counting 5 distinctly different fonts (character name, "Stats" title, stats boxes, actual model costs, and the one for everything else). I think it makes the card look a bit disjointed.
4. I realize it's a test card, but i'm trying to figure out why each of lincolns weapons is listed twice. I THINK it's because they're two handed, but if that's the case, it's redundant.
5. I'd pick a specific "type" of symbology for the influence and halo graphics. The influence one is a 2-D and fully backs the influence #; the halo is a 3-D that is open in the middle. I'd have made it a simple circle with the same outlining as the influence one. Either way, pick one way to do it, and not both.
6. I think the back, for the most part, looks great. I'd kill the size of the melee and ranged logos. They're sort of huge.
7. I think someone already mentioned it, but it wouldn't be an awful idea to assign symbols to their special rules and get rid of the special rules typing on the front. That may be a bit too WM/H, but its a system that leads to a better aesthetic, IMO.

Overall, I like the cards, but there's a bit too much 'stuff' going on right now. I totally dig the player picture and lifeblood track circling it. I totally dig the card artwork and background. I just think they need to clean up some of their fonts and logos and they'll have something that is probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite miniatures game card (behind WM/H and Relic Knights).

Does Abe have 2 shot-axes? I'm assuming so since he has them listed twice under both Ranged and Melee attacks... I wonder the reasoning for poison (that's a gameplay vs fluff thing), since I can't think of anything poison related with Honest Abe.

Unless of course this is a mock up to show what would happen if someone had 2 melee and 2 ranged weapons

Alfndrate- you said you'd take a break from this thread above- please follow through on that. Give other people a chance to post, just like Mick did before.

Thanks in advance

 RiTides wrote:
Alfndrate- you said you'd take a break from this thread above- please follow through on that. Give other people a chance to post, just like Mick did before.

Thanks in advance

I did take a break, I went to sleep. I'm just asking some questions about the stat card, atm it's the only thing that's really pulling me in. :-\

I like the look of them, and I'm trying to think of why Abe has/needs 2 of them (and why they have poison lol )