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2012/12/18 18:14:40
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Custom Fatemaster Screen, NEW $200,000 Stretch Goal!
I haven't heard back from Jac on the "Custom" part of the FateMasters Screen... will keep you guys informed
Edit: Jac replied to me (happy that I didn't have to wait very long)
Thanks for your question. "Custom" refers to the fact that the screen will be customized for the game, i.e. it may have Through the Breach rules, artwork, cheat sheets, and such.
Best, Jac
So custom doesn't really mean anything other than it's not going to be a generic RPG ruleset, it's going to look and feel like it belongs in Through the Breach.... The "May" in her email kind of worries me... Though that might just be "marketing" spin, kind of like, "I can't tell you... BUT..."
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2012/12/18 19:07:28
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Custom Fatemaster Screen, NEW $200,000 Stretch Goal!
BrookM wrote: Maybe when there's five days or so still to go we might see a total change of strategies!
Really the only things they could change are, adding addons and adding a pledge level for the pdf only. The later I think we will see if they unlock the pdf copy for everyone at the $60 and up level.
2012/12/18 19:24:06
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Custom Fatemaster Screen, NEW $200,000 Stretch Goal!
BrookM wrote: Maybe when there's five days or so still to go we might see a total change of strategies!
Really the only things they could change are, adding addons and adding a pledge level for the pdf only. The later I think we will see if they unlock the pdf copy for everyone at the $60 and up level.
Call me a pessimist, but I doubt we'll be seeing the pdf copies unlocked.
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2012/12/18 19:39:35
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Custom Fatemaster Screen, NEW $200,000 Stretch Goal!
BrookM wrote: Maybe when there's five days or so still to go we might see a total change of strategies!
Really the only things they could change are, adding addons and adding a pledge level for the pdf only. The later I think we will see if they unlock the pdf copy for everyone at the $60 and up level.
Call me a pessimist, but I doubt we'll be seeing the pdf copies unlocked.
With 23 days left I think we will see it happen, atleast I'd like to think that.
I'm actually kind of suprised their going to release it as a PDF instead of following in the footsteps of GW and releasing through ITunes, or even going through the Kindle or Nook stores, atleast try and make it alittle difficult for people to pirate it.
2012/12/18 20:04:57
Subject: Re:Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Custom Fatemaster Screen, NEW $200,000 Stretch Goal!
This campaign is really fascinating from a psychological perspective on marketing. For example, last week there was an uptick that was more or less associated in time with the release of the detailed plan of the books on the 12th.
Now, as I mentioned, the presumption was that this was related to the plan being released. I wonder though, if what we saw wasn't a combination of people that were lingering, intending to pledge already, but a bit uncertain about the overall goal, but that the real motivation for the upswing at the end of the week was the end of the free PDF adventure promotion.
You'll notice that the pledges drop off dramatically on Saturday (post promotion), decreasing through the weekend. While the temptation might be to blame the weekend or the impending holiday, I'm not sure that's accurate, as looking at KD's graph over the same time period shows a dramatic increase over the weekend. Though that is probably due to particular virtues of the KD campaign, rather then a specific quality of this weekend.
I agree with you Buzz, its going to be especially interesting to look back on after the campaign ends. I think one of the reasons I back so many kickstarters is because of how fascinating Kickstarter is as a meens to an end.
2012/12/19 02:35:03
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Custom Fatemaster Screen, NEW $200,000 Stretch Goal!
We've all been clamoring for more (cue the Usher music). I think this is probably the biggest update of the drive, too bad it couldn't be here early. We've got pics of the "concept" art of the Male Multi-Pose Mini
Hi everyone!
Day Twenty-One is coming to a close, so it’s time for the Daily Update!
Feast your eyes on the graphic below! We are excited to present to you the concept sketches for our Multi-Pose Male Mini sprue! While some elements of the mini may change between this early stage and final production, today’s update will give you an idea of the variety of options and the degree of customization we’re aiming for.
I'm kind of excited. It looks like you can make 3 minis per sprue, based off of the number of legs. And the concept art to 3d sculpt has been an almost near match, so I'm pretty excited.
I think this sprue could only get better if you it sort of clicked together (like of like old Gundam Models, not the super detailed ones, but the middle of the road ones), so you could change out legs, heads, torsos, etc...
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2012/12/19 02:58:51
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Custom Fatemaster Screen, NEW $200,000 Stretch Goal!
BrookM wrote: Maybe when there's five days or so still to go we might see a total change of strategies!
Really the only things they could change are, adding addons and adding a pledge level for the pdf only. The later I think we will see if they unlock the pdf copy for everyone at the $60 and up level.
Call me a pessimist, but I doubt we'll be seeing the pdf copies unlocked.
With 23 days left I think we will see it happen, atleast I'd like to think that.
I'm actually kind of suprised their going to release it as a PDF instead of following in the footsteps of GW and releasing through ITunes, or even going through the Kindle or Nook stores, atleast try and make it alittle difficult for people to pirate it.
That would take mor effort than Wyrd probably wants to put forth. Plus, it could get screwed up in shipping and just cause a huge problem.
2012/12/19 03:43:45
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Custom Fatemaster Screen, NEW $200,000 Stretch Goal!
Looking at the bottom row also might be a sort of "indicator" of the different types of fated you can be.
The last two in that row are obvious, Fated Stiched (Undead) and Fated Neverborn, the first two in that row are probably either Arcanists or Miners & Steamfitter's Union (So magic or constructs, though you probably wouldn't be a construct). The middle guy doesn't really stand out that much, just seems to be your standard bandito... The only thing is that these sprues are designed for height 2 sized models (pulling from the skirmish game as reference). So we're likely not going to see gremlins, though there are plenty of models in Malifaux that would work, since there aren't many characters for that little sub-faction.
And Spiraling, if you could get your hands on 3 more legs in that scale (third party, etc...) you could get 6 completely different looking minis out of a single sprue.
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2012/12/19 12:56:00
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Custom Fatemaster Screen, NEW $200,000 Stretch Goal!
BrookM wrote: Maybe when there's five days or so still to go we might see a total change of strategies!
Really the only things they could change are, adding addons and adding a pledge level for the pdf only. The later I think we will see if they unlock the pdf copy for everyone at the $60 and up level.
Call me a pessimist, but I doubt we'll be seeing the pdf copies unlocked.
With 23 days left I think we will see it happen, atleast I'd like to think that.
I'm actually kind of suprised their going to release it as a PDF instead of following in the footsteps of GW and releasing through ITunes, or even going through the Kindle or Nook stores, atleast try and make it alittle difficult for people to pirate it.
That would take mor effort than Wyrd probably wants to put forth. Plus, it could get screwed up in shipping and just cause a huge problem.
I'm not sure I understand exactly what could get screwed up in shipping.
Nice update though. I really hope that Wyrd makes these multi-pose models into their own product line, maybe even extending the line to other genres.
2012/12/19 13:00:28
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Pic of the Male Fated Sprue, Possible 3 minis/sprue!
Cincy has been fairly critical in his posts, and honestly, that post right there is probably one and only of his that might count as flamebaiting.
Wyrd mentioned about shipping issues, and the different pledge levels were set to make shipping easier for Wyrd, so that everyone gets the book, then you go through and ship out those, then you add the fate decks, multi-pose mini, and hard cover book and ship those out. Next you'll add 1 of each gender for the mini, and Hannah, ship those out. Finally you add the Wicked Dolls to those final boxes that got everything and ship those out.
Also, I'm listening to the latest Breach Side Chat, will let you guys know what's contained
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2012/12/19 13:17:41
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Pic of the Male Fated Sprue, Possible 3 minis/sprue!
Alfndrate wrote: Cincy has been fairly critical in his posts, and honestly, that post right there is probably one and only of his that might count as flamebaiting.
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2012/12/19 13:24:24
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Pic of the Male Fated Sprue, Possible 3 minis/sprue!
Alfndrate wrote: Cincy has been fairly critical in his posts, and honestly, that post right there is probably one and only of his that might count as flamebaiting.
Wyrd mentioned about shipping issues, and the different pledge levels were set to make shipping easier for Wyrd, so that everyone gets the book, then you go through and ship out those, then you add the fate decks, multi-pose mini, and hard cover book and ship those out. Next you'll add 1 of each gender for the mini, and Hannah, ship those out. Finally you add the Wicked Dolls to those final boxes that got everything and ship those out.
Also, I'm listening to the latest Breach Side Chat, will let you guys know what's contained
That wasn't really what I was trying to get across...
To expand on my comment. I agree with Cincy that releasing the rulebooks through Apple or Kindle/Nook is probably more work then they wan't to put into it, but going that route make sense. I guess going with an actual pdf eliminates compatability issues and might have been seen as a way to apease backers, but it doesn't make much sense finacially, atleast to me.
I'm actually interested to hear what cincy has to say about shipping though and it did actually raise a question/issue in my mind that I think might be where he is going with it. Distributing a PDF is pretty easy and there are a number of different and simple ways it can be done. Giving everyone a copy of rules in a digital format of their choice does add alot of complication.
2012/12/19 13:34:31
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Pic of the Male Fated Sprue, Possible 3 minis/sprue!
Wyrd could easily do what smaller companies do. Go through Wargames Vault or w/e OTL uses. You get an email when the pdf is updated, and you download a copy with your name on the bottom of the pages. This allows the company to make simple changes, or even errata, etc.. and
PDFs aren't all that secure in today's day and age, and even having a name in the pdf could be stripped out and put up on the internet. PDFs also carry the added benefit, as you said, with not having compatability issues.
I also think PDF was chosen over an eReader format for mobile devices is simply because of a laptop at the table than a mobile device. Most people are going to have a smart phone, maybe a Kindle, iPad, Nook, etc... but more people are probably going to have a notebook more.
It is interesting concept though.
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2012/12/19 13:36:59
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Pic of the Male Fated Sprue, Possible 3 minis/sprue!
Alfndrate wrote: Wyrd could easily do what smaller companies do. Go through Wargames Vault or w/e OTL uses. You get an email when the pdf is updated, and you download a copy with your name on the bottom of the pages. This allows the company to make simple changes, or even errata, etc.. and
PDFs aren't all that secure in today's day and age, and even having a name in the pdf could be stripped out and put up on the internet. PDFs also carry the added benefit, as you said, with not having compatability issues.
I also think PDF was chosen over an eReader format for mobile devices is simply because of a laptop at the table than a mobile device. Most people are going to have a smart phone, maybe a Kindle, iPad, Nook, etc... but more people are probably going to have a notebook more.
It is interesting concept though.
An eReader format is much more secure though. While more people may bring a laptop to the table both Kindle and Nook and possibly Apple offer an app to read in their format on a computer.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Personally I think it would be eaier for me to have it in Kindle format, I find that to be the easiest way to move stuff from my laptop to my smartphone to my kindle to my ipad.
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2012/12/19 14:03:24
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Pic of the Male Fated Sprue, Possible 3 minis/sprue!
Caty, I agree that an eReader is more secure (though I've found ways around this too for college classes, silly education professors asking us to "Buy" an eBook). And yeah, I think you can get iBook on your computer (idk if it's Mac only though). A pdf is the way they're going to go with it... I mean Paizo does PDFs and they're still making money on them... We'll see, I'll throw Jac a question today and see what's going on.
And, I know my kindle can read pdfs without issue... I sent Jac the email, we'll see
Breach Side Chat #3
Spoiler:
So some questions that Mack is answering in his latest Breach Side Chat:
What are Fated Stiched? - Fated Stiched is the name Mack has been using for things you'd expect Frankenstein to built (or in Malifaux's case Dr. McMourning). The Fated Stiched are undead that will be released in the Quarantine Zone book. Which led into the next question about the books. Through the Breach will have a start and end (so they won't be developing books for years ala DnD or Pathfinder). The line will contain the 2 rulebooks, the 6 supplemental books, and then penny dreadfuls (which might take a few years to come out as they have no set deadline for the release of the books/final Penny Dreadful).
FateMaster Screen? - As we saw 2 days ago, they announced the FM's Screen, Mack didn't think they initially needed one, but after playtesting, he wanted a place to put quick reference charts, art to set the mood, and a place for the FM to hide his notes. Will be added to the 125 level once we hit that stretch goal. Might do something fancy for the players and put quick references on the outward facing side, but he admits the text will have to be large. Map of Malifaux might be the most likely solution. Current speculation is that World Work Games is the company that would make it (ala terraclips, but without those terra-bad clips though I don't mind them lol).
When do you expect the books to come out? - Not every month, they don't have the man power that Pathfinder has, but possibly 2 to 3 a year. Hoping that core books are 4 to 6 months a book, but it's not set in stone.
Other Fated? - Question about playing as wicked dolls, or puppets. Nothing set, it's tricky, but it should be doable to make with an FM and the rules of the system.
Multi-Pose Minis in stores? - Mack says he doesn't know, though that's not in the RPG development side of things. Though imo, nothing on the KS says they're special edition or KS exclusive, so it's safe to assume they would be available in stores. What do you think 20 bucks a sprue? 3 minis for 7 bucks a piece (technically less).
When will playtesting start? - He wants to get it at the end of the month (probably January), wants a solid basis for external playtesting so he's not fixing major t hings and sending it back out to the playtesters. Feb or March is more likely the timing though.
How will crafting work like custom guns or replacement limbs? - Might be in with the item (like a Crafting DC or steps), might be something longer with templates for players and FMs to make their own. He fully expects players to craft their own guns, make their own special bullets, tinkerers replacing limbs with built in guns for the gunslinger who lost an arm. Not expecting people to put a lot into the crafting for a character to be able to do it, but those that do will get awesome things.
Will characters be able to replace lost limbs to counter-act the nasty damage that happens when you drop to 0 HP Damage is split into 3 different categories when you hit 0. Severe: loss of limb, high severe probably means death. Moderate: Cracked ribs, broken nose or arm, things that will affect you for a few weeks. Weak: Swollen eye, sprained ankle or knee, stuff that lasts the combat. HP is sort of a buffer before the "major" bodily damage happens.
Penny Dreadfuls will be released interspersed with the rest of the books.
Will all the characters have to start out on the Earth Side even with subsequent releases? Technically they start just after passing through the breach, and with players playing gremlins, they're not just a human that's 3 foot shorter and green, etc... It also looks like you're not going back to the Earth Side (which is kind of sad, it might make for a fun excursion. Cross the breach and find out they're just regular people on the Earth Side, and they gotta adjust, do they go back and ignore the reason why they came there or finish it and return to their fates, despite the lack of power.
Will there be an initiative flip? Yes, monsters have pre-set initiative, and the players all flip, in the case of a tie, you check who has the highest speed, if they have the same speed, the player goes first. If the players all tie themselves, they decide their order, unless they're all against each other, then the FM decides.
Referring to the C. Hoffman fluff, does that happen to the Fated or does it happen elsewhere? - Mack doesn't know :( To be honest, neither do I. If I remember correctly, C. Hoffman became the machine whiz he is, as he crossed through the breach. The power was unlocked. That's all I know though.
Will weapon stats be static, or will they be weak/moderate/severe? - They will have the w/m/s stats. This lead into the minion/henchmen/master rules...
What is the m/h/m? - All NPCs are broken down into three ranks, minion/henchman/master, like in the game. This affects when the NPCs stop in a fight and what they flip, etc... Minions stop at 0 wounds, Henchmen fight until they receive a moderate negative effect applied to him, and Masters fight till the death.
Freikorpsmen, Is that a pursuit, or just a thing? - Sounds like an Advanced Pursuit to me (Mack's words).
What is the tech level, auto loaders, horseless carriages, etc.. - Steampunk, auto loaders with steampunk and magic involved, horseless carriage, probably some elemental level or something. Not full cars, think the tech around the time just before the first cars were released in our timeline.
Do players get just 1 action a turn, or multiple actions? - Players get 2 actions just like in the skirmish game. There will be "feats" that can give more or less actions like fast, slow, melee expert, etc... No 0 actions spelled out, it's more or less something they can just do...
Skills? - Lots of skills, skill + attribute + flip.
More on gaining Action Points? - Advanced pursuits can also get you more AP, but you can never receive more than 1 bonus from the same source. So if your advanced pursuit gives melee expert +1, and melee master +2, you don't get both, you get one or the other.
What is your favorite line of fate? - "You will be the uninvited" or "You will be undone" (Black joker's fate. You will be unmade is the flavor text. Man that would suck if you knew your fate was going to gak on you like that.
Different magic types? - 6 types? Necromancy, Enchantment, Counter Spelling, Sorcery (elements), harness soulstone. Buying up specific spell abilities, making them cooler. Mack is trying to add a make your own spell powers. More like Infused abilities rather than spells
Technomancy like Hoffman? - Won't be called that, but will be artificy or something like that.
Creature Catalog at 200k? - NPC sections will be added no matter what, but more pages allows him to allow to add tons of creatures, different neverborn, some that aren't in the skirmish game. And Skirmish Stats means that every model in the skirmish game that has a stat card, would be put into the Fatemaster's book.
If advanced pursuits are at 225k, what happens if we don't get them? - They go into the expansion books. He would like to include some advanced pursuits like freikorpsman, or death marshal, guild guard, etc... in the core rules.
Threw around the term, "Santana Claus" which means we might see Santana being included at some point in the next week or so.
Fatedborn, would these be natural born Malifaux Neverborn, or humans turned into neverborn? - No different between the two of them. How you become a neverborn is up to the storyline. Also ways to make those changes mid game. Like becoming a fated situation?
No insanity scale, so characters can go crazy, but there are no set rules.
Will there be rules on Play by Post? - Maybe? didn't really think about that, might include a few pages. Not against it, just hadn't though about it.
Fated My Little Ponies? - Seriously, someone asked that wtf? (from me). Not a core feature...
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2012/12/19 14:21:57
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Pic of the Male Fated Sprue, Possible 3 minis/sprue!
Sorry, was just a bit of sarcasm there No real damage intended. Yes, I made the remark because of Wyrd's BS "Shipping ez hard" comments, but also because, based on the... haphazard.... way this KS has been thrown together, I have a hard time believing that Wyrd would have any interest in taking the extra development time for one of the proprietary formats.
GW went through Apple for a few reasons:
1. It's more secure. Are there ways around the security? Absolutely. Is it more effort than the average joe is willing to undergo? I think the general consensus is yes.
2. GWs iBooks rulebooks are MUCH more than simple PDFs. They're actually quite nice.
I think GW was in a tough spot when deciding to do them. They could have released simple PDF versions, but then the constiuency would have certainly clamored for something more. They went the very nice, well developed road, and it's now limited to iOS for the time being
I think something like wargames vault or drivethrurpg is CLEARLY the way to go with their PDF.
With that being said, I'm pretty impressed by the concept art of the multi-part minis. Not bad at all.
2012/12/19 14:23:06
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Pic of the Male Fated Sprue, Possible 3 minis/sprue!
Interesting update in the 3rd Breach Side Chat. Something I'd like to see in an upcoming Breach Side Chat would be to talk with someone on the more kickstarter side of things.
2012/12/19 14:24:11
Subject: Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Pic of the Male Fated Sprue, Possible 3 minis/sprue!
You have to remember a few things about downloading PDFs, eBooks, etc. too: we're still in a niche hobby and they're not always easy to find.
I've certainly downloaded a textbook or eBook or three when I cand find them. When I can't quickly or easily find them, most of the time I'll just buy them. Every dollar made from an eBook sale is money in the bank, as the writer's cost is often a sunk cost taken on at the beginning and has no bearing on the sales of said book beyond a small royalty.
(happy that I didn't have to wait very long)
though I don't mind them