Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon

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**whembly**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Ouze wrote:

Because they haven't been charged with a crime, let alone convicted of anything. This can't be a serious question.

I think his point was that how is it OK do do it when a US citizen is in another country, without being charged with an actual crime, and killed by drone strike, but not OK to do it domestically.

Baron/hotsaucie, Ouze has been in vehement opposition to Obama's droning policy with extrajudicial killing of Americans abroad. He's being consistent there...

Not that he needs my help to defend him...

**hotsauceman1**

Huh, it seems like we are all in agreement. That was my point the whole time.....
I still say we fly some drones around just to scare them.

**Relapse**

Looks like they got their feelings hurt a wittle:

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/01/poor-poor-patriots/

I haven't watched their videos because I've heard all that melodramatic gak about how "they fight so their children won't have to" before from militia members I knew.
I can see now why the militia here was coming up with plans to take people's food storage and other supplies in case an emergency happened, if this particular group can't think far enough ahead to stock up going into a siege.

**hotsauceman1**

"The spend their money on hate, hate hate"
Does he have no sense of irony or is he that dumb?

**Ustrello**

Ohhh someone should send them glitter bombs, the herpes of art supplies

**LordofHats**

Someone should send them a copy of Mein Kampf

Maybe they'll find something inside to relate to. A need for living space perhaps

**Ustrello**

LordofHats wrote:
Someone should send them a copy of Mein Kampf Maybe they'll find something inside to relate to. A need for living space perhaps

Annex the town of Burns! The cattle and ranchers need it and its plentiful..streets

**Chute82**

This is pretty funny
http://gawker.com/angry-militia-leader-stop-mailing-us-dildos-1752580458

Did not see it posted earlier

**Ouze**

TBH I think that's been the high point of this whole affair.

**Ustrello**

Don't worry folks, just your friendly neighborhood militia man here to stalk and harass you.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/12/us/oregon-armed-protesters/

**LordofHats**

Some of the armed protesters have been able to leave and return from the refuge center during the occupation.

Seriously wondering how the hell anyone is letting that happen.

**Relapse**

LordofHats wrote:
Some of the armed protesters have been able to leave and return from the refuge center during the occupation.

Seriously wondering how the hell anyone is letting that happen.

That was my question, also. Maybe the Feds realized there was a shortage of dildos in the building and the militia was in dire need.

**LordofHats**

It would seem to defeat the purpose of the 'starve them out' strategy if they can come and go as they please and people can send them supplies (though the dildos are hilarious

).

**Ustrello**

LordofHats wrote:
It would seem to defeat the purpose of the 'starve them out' strategy if they can come and go as they please and people can send them supplies (though the dildos are hilarious ).

Until you get a unabomber type who sends them a special type of supply

**LordofHats**

Ustrello wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
It would seem to defeat the purpose of the 'starve them out' strategy if they can come and go as they please and people can send them supplies (though the dildos are hilarious ).

Until you get a unabomber type who sends them a special type of supply

Oh yeah. That's what we need. Extremists with guns getting blown up by extremists with mail bombs XD Thanks for reminding me it can always get worse

**Relapse**

LordofHats wrote:
It would seem to defeat the purpose of the 'starve them out' strategy if they can come and go as they please and people can send them supplies (though the dildos are hilarious ).

To be serious, I can't understand that and allowing these clowns to harrass family of law enforcement officers. Though I hesitated at first, I am now coming down more firmly on the side of definition of terrorist for these guys.
My fear is that someone gets shot and takes this into a whole new level.
I think I might go talk to the people I know who used to be militia and see what their thoughts are.

**Chongara**

LordofHats wrote:
It would seem to defeat the purpose of the 'starve them out' strategy if they can come and go as they please and people can send them supplies (though the dildos are hilarious ).

At points I've half-seriously pondered the idea of sending them a case of Surströmming while just hoping they haven't been keeping up to date with their Internet gross-out videos.

**Ustrello**

Chongara wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
It would seem to defeat the purpose of the 'starve them out' strategy if they can come and go as they please and people can send them supplies (though the dildos are hilarious ).

At points I've half-seriously pondered the idea of sending them a case of Surströmming while just hoping they haven't been keeping up to date with their Internet gross-out videos.

That stuff needs to be banned under the Geneva convention, hell I would prefer Lutefisk over that

**Relapse**

Just got done speaking with one of my friends that used to be militia. He thinks there is a legitimate grievance, but the guys with guns are idiots.
He says he hopes the siege ends with neither bloodshed or arrests, because both will fan the flames for other idiots.

**d-usa**

Without arrests it will just embolden the next group of idiots though, so there really isn't any "good" outcome for the law enforcement folks. Do nothing, embolden them. Do anything, enrage them.

Does anybody know if any of the ranchers there are using the access to federal land they got when these guys tore the fence down, or are they staying away from that mess?

**Ouze**

Chongara wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
It would seem to defeat the purpose of the 'starve them out' strategy if they can come and go as they please and people can send them supplies (though the dildos are hilarious ).

At points I've half-seriously pondered the idea of sending them a case of Surströmming while just hoping they haven't been keeping up to date with their Internet gross-out videos.

Pfft. They wanted snacks, so send some Haribo sugar-free gummy bears.

**d-usa**

Economy pack to make sure there is enough to share.

**CptJake**

Ouze wrote:
Chongara wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
It would seem to defeat the purpose of the 'starve them out' strategy if they can come and go as they please and people can send them supplies (though the dildos are hilarious ).

At points I've half-seriously pondered the idea of sending them a case of Surströmming while just hoping they haven't been keeping up to date with their Internet gross-out videos.

Pfft. They wanted snacks, so send some Haribo sugar-free gummy bears.

These may better fit into the current theme of sent support:

**Ouze**

There's a lot of dudes, so a few 5 pounders.

edit: those other ones I've seen; they're pretty good too. That being said I suspect they're going to be on the lookout for all products phallic, so I think the Haribo might hit them below the belt, metaphorically speaking.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Chongara wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
It would seem to defeat the purpose of the 'starve them out' strategy if they can come and go as they please and people can send them supplies (though the dildos are hilarious ).

At points I've half-seriously pondered the idea of sending them a case of Surströmming while just hoping they haven't been keeping up to date with their Internet gross-out videos.

Just make sure whatever company or method you use to ship the stuff doesn't mind if the can explodes, seeing as the pressure inside is enough to have the cans banned from air transport IIRC.

**Chute82**

I think we should throw some money together and have Chipotle cater their party. Good case of the bubble gut will clear them out quick

**reds8n**

Relapse wrote:
l fan the flames for other idiots.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/oregon-militiamen-prepare-for-grand-jury-against-local-officials

After 11 days of occupying a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon, a group of U.S. militiamen have brought in some "Constitutional" back up to help hold local officials accountable.

According to the Oregonian, self-proclaimed U.S. Superior Court Judge Bruce Doucette (not a real judge) arrived in Harney County Tuesday and is readying militiamen for a big old trial.

Doucette, who is reportedly associated with the sovereign citizen movement, met with individuals at the wildlife refuge Tuesday and said he believed there was substantial evidence against local officials to take action.

As the Oregonian reported, however, Doucette's plan was to appoint a "grand jury" of 25 local residents who would "convene in private and make its decisions in private."

Whatever the locals decide, Doucette said he will write up and share with the public.

Doucette, 54, hails from Colorado where he works now as a computer technician, but Doucette has lent his services to embattled 'Constitutional' types before. In November, he offered to help a group of off-the-grid residents who had bought land online and were trying to set up off-the-grid homesteads in Colorado, but were facing backlash from the government.

That's bound to help !

**Ahtman**

Isn't the 'sovereign citizen movement' tied to white power? Or was it just that the ven diagram of the two has a lot of overlap?

**Relapse**

reds8n wrote:
Relapse wrote:
l fan the flames for other idiots.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/oregon-militiamen-prepare-for-grand-jury-against-local-officials

After 11 days of occupying a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon, a group of U.S. militiamen have brought in some "Constitutional" back up to help hold local officials accountable.

According to the Oregonian, self-proclaimed U.S. Superior Court Judge Bruce Doucette (not a real judge) arrived in Harney County Tuesday and is readying militiamen for a big old trial.

Doucette, who is reportedly associated with the sovereign citizen movement, met with individuals at the wildlife refuge Tuesday and said he believed there was substantial evidence against local officials to take action.

As the Oregonian reported, however, Doucette's plan was to appoint a "grand jury" of 25 local residents who would "convene in private and make its decisions in private."

Whatever the locals decide, Doucette said he will write up and share with the public.

Doucette, 54, hails from Colorado where he works now as a computer technician, but Doucette has lent his services to embattled 'Constitutional' types before. In November, he offered to help a group of off-the-grid residents who had bought land online and were trying to set up off-the-grid homesteads in Colorado, but were facing backlash from the government.

That's bound to help !

These are guys against Sharia courts, if I'm not mistaken, because they aren't U.S. courts. Yet here we are...
If I remember correctly, such trials have happened before.

**reds8n**

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/meet-bruce-doucette-buddy-s-sovereign-citizen-judge

Doucette appears to have taken an oath of office to be a U.S. Superior Court judge -- which, again, isn't a real judgeship -- in May 2015 when he declared that he was a "warrior protector" with "jurisdiction in all matters of all states and estates, national and countries where oppression, tyranny, suffrage, peonage, barratry, piracy, slavery of any type, involuntary servitude, antitrust, monopolizing, terrorism, exploitation, blackmail, extortion" or more occurred.

Doucette has interceded in matters between patriot groups and the government before. A Denver Post article from November chronicled how Doucette was called upon to assist a group of individuals who had moved to Costilla County, Colorado with the intention of setting up off-the-grid settlements, but had run into permitting fights with local officials. According to that piece, Doucette was called in via telephone at a meeting where he told the Denver Post that that while he did not have a formal law education, "I'm a very honest man with a lot of integrity, also very educated. I wouldn't credit any institution for the knowledge I have."

Doucette has also spent time working to free Steve Curry who is currently serving a jail sentence and is best known for allegedly selling illegitimate meteorites he claimed were tax deductible online. In a document posted to his Facebook page, Doucette sent a notice to Montrose County (Colorado) Sheriff Rick Dunlap informing him Curry needed to be released or the sheriff would face arrest. In a 12-page document, Doucette made his case and included a significant history of the sovereign citizens movement with a caveat for the sheriff.

"If you feel stupid or overwhelmed at the end, that's normal and we all go through that process of waking up. Realize you were intentionally defrauded," he said in the letter.

Doucette's Facebook page is littered with various arrest warrants for county officials from sheriffs to local judges as well as memes explaining how the "word legal means undoing God's Law," a video showing how you can run a car on water, and an article on how to keep bees indoors. His Facebook also includes a letter to Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper asking why he and the attorney general did not have an "oath of office" on file.

On his Facebook page, he also links to an article about ranchers Dwight and Steven Hammond, whose imprisonment for arson on federal lands was the inspiration for the standoff at Malheur. According to the article, their ranch -- which adjoins the Malheur refuge -- is sitting on "Natural Gas And Uranium that China Wants."

Doucette is also a bit of a science denier and conspiracy theorist. He has posted about how he doubts that the world is really round. He flat out said on Facebook that "we do not live on a Globe."

On November 16, Doucette posted a link on his Facebook titled “Boston Marathon Bombing ‘Victim’ Admits Hoax.” He then comments on the link and says 'Yes but this is our pretend government ... So sad that some people don’t see the Truth."

wow.

'murica indeed.