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2018/03/03 06:40:42
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
epaemil wrote: So when it is released, how quickly can one get a hold of one? I live in sweden so I'm not sure my gw store will get them in stock on release day. Will they be available online?
I am quite sure, there will be an eBook/tablet version, like for everyone else. You can see it on the GW homepage and will be linked to warhammer digital.
So if I buy eBook version can I still get the physical one or do I have to buy both :/ would rather only have the book but I need the codex asap
2018/03/03 10:35:33
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
So I know the obvious answer will be 'Wait for the Codex' but do you guys have any id what Necrons can do vs a Leviathan Dreadnought that comes in with a droppod and then getting a bunch of psychic buffs?
So far it kind of seems like an unstoppable one-man army.
2018/03/03 14:09:37
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Doctoralex wrote: do you guys have any id what Necrons can do vs a Leviathan Dreadnought that comes in with a droppod and then getting a bunch of psychic buffs?
You shake your opponent's hand and congratulate him on his superior tactical prowess.
2018/03/03 14:12:18
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Doctoralex wrote: do you guys have any id what Necrons can do vs a Leviathan Dreadnought that comes in with a droppod and then getting a bunch of psychic buffs?
You shake your opponent's hand and congratulate him on his superior tactical prowess.
Yeah...we don't really have the tools for that. Try shooting it with heavy destroyers, I guess?
I really wish we had a way to stop buffs. Deny the Witch only works on offensive spells, iirc, which is dumb. It should work on everything. WHFB had it right.
What I have
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~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2018/03/03 14:49:09
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Doctoralex wrote: do you guys have any id what Necrons can do vs a Leviathan Dreadnought that comes in with a droppod and then getting a bunch of psychic buffs?
You shake your opponent's hand and congratulate him on his superior tactical prowess.
Yeah...we don't really have the tools for that. Try shooting it with heavy destroyers, I guess?
I really wish we had a way to stop buffs. Deny the Witch only works on offensive spells, iirc, which is dumb. It should work on everything. WHFB had it right.
Deny the Witch works on any spell, so long as the unit Denying is within 24" of the casting Psyker.
That being said, our only way to Deny is Spyders with Gloom Prisms... Which are really easy to snipe out.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
2018/03/03 15:45:46
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Doctoralex wrote: do you guys have any id what Necrons can do vs a Leviathan Dreadnought that comes in with a droppod and then getting a bunch of psychic buffs?
You shake your opponent's hand and congratulate him on his superior tactical prowess.
Yeah...we don't really have the tools for that. Try shooting it with heavy destroyers, I guess? I really wish we had a way to stop buffs. Deny the Witch only works on offensive spells, iirc, which is dumb. It should work on everything. WHFB had it right.
Deny the Witch works on any spell, so long as the unit Denying is within 24" of the casting Psyker.
That being said, our only way to Deny is Spyders with Gloom Prisms... Which are really easy to snipe out.
Does it? Could have sworn the gloom prism specifies that it only works when a necron unit has been targeted. Edit : Huh, what do you know, it can work on any spell. Must have been thinking of another edition again.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2018/03/03 15:52:51
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Doctoralex wrote: I mean, Necrons are getting their own side-game (though starring Space Marines, but 'crons are the main theme/enemy in it) and now a starter box?
Perhaps the rumours of major Necron changes in the codex are true....
The game with Space Marines doesn't include any Necron Models though. It is literally a Space Marine games with space Marine models vs cardboard disk Necrons. You can use Necron models to play it but you need to own them to use them.
The forgebane box includes the new Cryptek, 5 Immortals, 5 Lychguard and 3 Wraiths. For the Ad mech. It comes with a tech-priest, 10ad mech rangers, 2 new mini Knights. I think it's roughly 500-600pts for each side including the new knight(s).
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2018/03/05 13:30:10
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
The Necron Cryptek is the first to be made of plastic and features a nifty new piece of wargear that allows them to skim above the battlefield and repair your units.
I'm guessing its a mix between a 'Disk of Tzeensch'-like upgrade (12" move + Fly) and he can heal D3 wounds on a canoptek unit.
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2018/03/05 13:39:39
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
I can see the Cryptek have 12" movement with an ability to move 6" when advancing instead of rolling a D6. Sounds like it will either repair Reanimation units or Vehicles. I think it is also safe to say that Necrons will be the next codex after Tau.
Odrankt wrote: Sounds like it will either repair Reanimation units or Vehicles.
Well considering it is called a Canoptek Cloak, I think it is more likely that he can repair Canpotek units. Wraiths, Scarabs and Spyders all have 3-4 wounds as well, making it even more likely.
Repairing vehicles is already covered by the Spyder as well.
2018/03/05 13:48:59
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Odrankt wrote: Sounds like it will either repair Reanimation units or Vehicles.
Well considering it is called a Canoptek Cloak, I think it is more likely that he can repair Canpotek units. Wraiths, Scarabs and Spyders all have 3-4 wounds as well, making it even more likely.
Repairing vehicles is already covered by the Spyder as well.
didn't realise the cloak was named. Still interesting though. If it does repair D3 like you said then Wraiths and Acanthrites will be the best units for it to support. Unless, it can buff every Canoptek unit differently.
It's also going to be a lord of war as claimed by the article. Hope it was better tricks than just repair and good movement up its sleeves.
It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case.
2018/03/05 15:25:05
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Oberron wrote: It's also going to be a lord of war as claimed by the article. Hope it was better tricks than just repair and good movement up its sleeves.
The article didn't claim that. Just that it was a wargear option. How would a piece of equipment be a Lord of War? That doesn't make sense.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2018/03/05 15:38:01
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Requizen wrote: It said the Knights were LoWs, not the Cryptek.
Yeah I misread it. That makes me feel a lot better about it now.
Hope they change the range from 3 " to 6" for the auras like in every other army.
Also wonder if there will be extra bits from death marks and preats come with the box, if so a box of warriors and a little modification gives you a lot of options.
It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case.
2018/03/05 16:05:41
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Hmm, might be able to convince my friend who plays admech to go in on this with me. Almost tempted to ask him 'if I buy will you build?' if only cause im lazy. *chuckle*
I was almost tempted to start buying orks and modeling/painting them with a french theme.
If only so I could begin the pardonné waghh.
2018/03/05 16:30:06
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
CthuluIsSpy wrote: You know, funny thing is that I've been thinking of making an ad mech for my human faction. So far I have 2 xenos armies but no humans.
...and you still wouldn’t.
2018/03/05 21:05:48
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
CthuluIsSpy wrote: You know, funny thing is that I've been thinking of making an ad mech for my human faction. So far I have 2 xenos armies but no humans.
...and you still wouldn’t.
What do you mean? 10% human with a mostly human brain is still human Perhaps Imperium would have been more accurate.
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2018/03/05 22:21:12
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
So while I wouldn't start planning out lists yet, I might consider looking at how the new AoS Death book deals with Resurrection as an example of how Necron Renanimation might work in the new Codex.
Before the Nagash book, most Death units had a way to bring models back, usually a Banner, that would return 1/d3/d6 wounds/models to the unit (based on how elite or horde). Much like Reanimation Protocols, but more consistent.
The new book removed all those rules, and made it so most Heroes (aka Characters) have a special rule to return models to units. This varies on a Hero to Hero basis - Big Bad Nagash can return d3 models to up to 5 different units on the table, a little Necromancer can only resurrect 2 units that are 6" away from him, etc. This can be stacked, so three Heroes can heal the same unit to take it from near-death to full strength. They also have markers they can place on the table as Graveyards that have a similar effect.
If this looks familiar, it's because it's basically how Ghost Arks work (though army-wide instead of just Warriors).
I believe our HQs are going to gain similar abilities. Perhaps the Lord and Cryptek will be able to return d3 wounds worth of models to two units, the Overlord up to 3 units, and Named Characters potentially more. Res Orbs might boost it to a flat 3 or d6 for one turn. Ghost Ark likely remaining d6, but only for Warriors.
Now, that's not guaranteed, but I think it's not entirely unlikely considering how the two games have tested rules in one, only to move over well-received rules to the other. Just an observation.
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2018/03/05 22:56:13
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
Requizen wrote: So while I wouldn't start planning out lists yet, I might consider looking at how the new AoS Death book deals with Resurrection as an example of how Necron Renanimation might work in the new Codex.
Before the Nagash book, most Death units had a way to bring models back, usually a Banner, that would return 1/d3/d6 wounds/models to the unit (based on how elite or horde). Much like Reanimation Protocols, but more consistent.
The new book removed all those rules, and made it so most Heroes (aka Characters) have a special rule to return models to units. This varies on a Hero to Hero basis - Big Bad Nagash can return d3 models to up to 5 different units on the table, a little Necromancer can only resurrect 2 units that are 6" away from him, etc. This can be stacked, so three Heroes can heal the same unit to take it from near-death to full strength. They also have markers they can place on the table as Graveyards that have a similar effect.
If this looks familiar, it's because it's basically how Ghost Arks work (though army-wide instead of just Warriors).
I believe our HQs are going to gain similar abilities. Perhaps the Lord and Cryptek will be able to return d3 wounds worth of models to two units, the Overlord up to 3 units, and Named Characters potentially more. Res Orbs might boost it to a flat 3 or d6 for one turn. Ghost Ark likely remaining d6, but only for Warriors.
Now, that's not guaranteed, but I think it's not entirely unlikely considering how the two games have tested rules in one, only to move over well-received rules to the other. Just an observation.
The Flesh eater courts already did that, and it worked pretty well for them so it's not surprising to see the rest of death get that rule. It gave you a way to reliably get units back, and a manner in which it can be bypassed (kill the heroes). However I'm not confident it would work so well for necrons, for one killing characters outside of CC takes a veto proof act of congress, where as it's not so bad in AoS. Second it doesn't help with wiped out units, which is the catch 22 of current RP.
Constantly being negative doesn't make you seem erudite, it just makes you look like a curmudgeon.
2018/03/06 03:15:58
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / Nothing more to discuss until leaks
I have a feeling we're not getting any more new units/models in the codex, apart from that Canop-Cryptek (otherwise they probably would have included it in the box).
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2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
