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**Jack Flask**

My guess is that, like with Necromunda, plastic Legion sprues might be a possibility depending on the sales of these resin packs but likely only after most of the core plastic range is out.

**JWBS**

Oh they're resin? Then I agree, 100% I will not be buying official upgrades sets from Forgeworld, I'll print alternates myself or I'll import from the East.

**Voss**

Togusa wrote:
Well, that's two weeks in a row of "new heads" for 30KThursday. I now seriously question if there are any more plastic models beyond what we've been shown.

They probably want people focused on the stuff that's releasing soon. GW has a thing about not distracting people with 'what's later' rather than 'what's immediate'

The heads and pads all tie into the way they're marketing the big box, so its more focus on the now.

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That's said, I don't like these heads. Remind me too much of the power armor in the evil American Empire in RIFTS or some obscure stormtrooper variant.

**infinite_array**

More photoshopped "helmets on the minis" pics (credit to the 30k subreddit):

It's crazy how the MK VI looks different when you just swap the beaky helmets for something else. They do a lot for the aesthetic, for and against.

**No One Important**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
I love the "I've seen things, man!" face they painted on the bare head. Pretty nice helmets, too. They'd look the business on all kinds of Chaosy marines, IMO

I want to put Mr. SEEN THINGS in a unit with All Smiles from the CSM kill-team sprue. Just feels like it would be a perfect match.

**GaroRobe**

Those look really nice. But I find it a bit weird to have beakie armored marines without beakie helmets.

**Albertorius**

Honestly, those feel weird to me.

**Nomeny**

Those remind me of a picture show how the Sisters of Battle's sallet helmets look like they're wearing underpants on their heads.

**judgedoug**

Togusa wrote:
Well, that's two weeks in a row of "new heads" for 30KThursday. I now seriously question if there are any more plastic models beyond what we've been shown.

Almost certainly they are showing only items that will launch during the Horus Heresy launch window, and then they will preview the items coming after the Launch box.

**ClockworkZion**

Lord of Deeds wrote:
I think Discourse Miniatures pretty much nailed it as she summed up GW’s business plan with Horus Heresy that it is basically GW coming up with a way to get a large segment of their current customers to buy more space marines (re-monitize is the term she used), with an added twist this time in the form of a much heavier focus on plastic DLC, i.e. the upgrade kits.

Buy the marines, buy the weapons sets, buy the legion specific sets = spend way more on a 30K space marine squad than what you currently spend on the 40k equivalent space marine squad (which you probably already had enough for an army.....or 3 or 4 armies )

I mean I made that point about Primaris years ago, but at least with HH the entry cost is getting cheaper because they were already selling you this stuff in resin for more than it'll be in plastic.

**Strg Alt**

Voss wrote:
The lack of color scheme diversity for the founding legions hurts a little here- the painted box army looks like 1st/2nd edition blood angels at that zoom distance. At least the beakies do- its the bright primary colors red.

The one thing about these articles that I really like is the name drops for 'Old Terra' placenames. It makes me want a Unification Wars game.

Take a look here for some inspiration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kCIPgQv-18

Remember the legions are not SM chapters but much larger organizations. Therefore having slight alterations of uniforms is a given. Coming up with unique colour schemes is encouraged even in HH. Also remember back during the RT era where SM were portrayed with camo schemes. Just think outside the box.

**Undead_Love-Machine**

Those MKVI with Sons of Horus heads do look a bit odd.

I think it's the combination of the lack of trim on the armour and the chaosy-looking helmet, the two don't seem to gel.

I'm sure that there's plenty of MKVI that have been painted or modelled as chaos over the years, but for me it looks way better on loyalists. I think it would look excellent with the FW Blood Angels helmet upgrades.

**Togusa**

Voss wrote:
Togusa wrote:
Well, that's two weeks in a row of "new heads" for 30KThursday. I now seriously question if there are any more plastic models beyond what we've been shown.

They probably want people focused on the stuff that's releasing soon. GW has a thing about not distracting people with 'what's later' rather than 'what's immediate'

The heads and pads all tie into the way they're marketing the big box, so its more focus on the now.

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That's said, I don't like these heads. Remind me too much of the power armor in the evil American Empire in RIFTS or some obscure stormtrooper variant.

I hadn't considered it, but I wonder if there will be a wave 2 within 6 months to a year?

**Scottywan82**

Albertorius wrote:
Honestly, those feel weird to me.

I agree. And I love the Sons of Horus. But those pictures feel deeply wrong.

**Racerguy180**

Oh, I already have the hit squad out looking...the entire local multiple flgs community is fething pissed. Whomever jacked it, made a fair amount of enemies.

It's really my fault for leaving it in the car when I got home from playing @ the FLGS last night.

**Gadzilla666**

Voss wrote:
Togusa wrote:
Well, that's two weeks in a row of "new heads" for 30KThursday. I now seriously question if there are any more plastic models beyond what we've been shown.

They probably want people focused on the stuff that's releasing soon. GW has a thing about not distracting people with 'what's later' rather than 'what's immediate'

The heads and pads all tie into the way they're marketing the big box, so its more focus on the now.

---
That's said, I don't like these heads. Remind me too much of the power armor in the evil American Empire in RIFTS or some obscure stormtrooper variant.

Heh, they do look a lot like SAMAS helmets, don't they? Now I won't be able to get that out of my head. And it'll be worse once we see them on jump pack equipped models. Thanks Voss.

**EonChao**

Togusa wrote:

I hadn't considered it, but I wonder if there will be a wave 2 within 6 months to a year?

Probably even before that. I suspect there’ll be something at least 3 months after the initial wave in line with most of the modern specialist games, if not sooner due to it being Space Marines

**warboss**

Those helmets look more like corrupted Mk IV helmets than alternate beakies to me.

**MajorWesJanson**

Togusa wrote:
Voss wrote:
Togusa wrote:
Well, that's two weeks in a row of "new heads" for 30KThursday. I now seriously question if there are any more plastic models beyond what we've been shown.

They probably want people focused on the stuff that's releasing soon. GW has a thing about not distracting people with 'what's later' rather than 'what's immediate'

The heads and pads all tie into the way they're marketing the big box, so its more focus on the now.

---
That's said, I don't like these heads. Remind me too much of the power armor in the evil American Empire in RIFTS or some obscure stormtrooper variant.

I hadn't considered it, but I wonder if there will be a wave 2 within 6 months to a year?

Well, the Box set is first, then I guess wave 1 would be the large squads, alternate contemptor, kratos, sicaran, and deimos predator shown on the box insert alongside weapon packs. Land Raider and Leviathan dread are pretty likely candidates for a wave 2, alongside things like melee loadouts. Landspeeders and bikers would also be reasonable.

**Gert**

Wave 2 is going to be pretty soon, especially if WHW is implying that rules for all current HH armies will be out by November.

**Mr_Rose**

Scottywan82 wrote:
Albertorius wrote:
Honestly, those feel weird to me.

I agree. And I love the Sons of Horus. But those pictures feel deeply wrong.

That may be the point; an intimidation tactic. Certainly more effective than the Primaris reivers’ goofy skullface hats…

**Grey Crow**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Scottywan82 wrote:
Albertorius wrote:
Honestly, those feel weird to me.

I agree. And I love the Sons of Horus. But those pictures feel deeply wrong.

That may be the point; an intimidation tactic. Certainly more effective than the Primaris reivers’ goofy skullface hats…

Although I found the Reivers helmets improve if painted the same colour as the rest of the armour, still not as good as the SoH ones though

**Voss**

I actually like the Reiver helmets more. And given chaplains, that basic aesthetic is already part of the range.

**Waaagh_Gonads**

Have seen pics for some of the transfer sheets (world eaters and sons of horus).

Heard all legions will be repackaged and sold (Heresy Specific)

Hopefully they will be out fairly quickly for people to add to all the newly painted forces.

**H.B.M.C.**

Will we get some sort of Mk.VI "Bunny Ears" for the World Eaters. I'd be interested to see if they can combine the concepts.

**Agamemnon2**

Togusa wrote:

I hadn't considered it, but I wonder if there will be a wave 2 within 6 months to a year?

I don't doubt it. This summer will be the big box, Sicaran, Kratos, Deimos Rhino, the repackaged infantry kits and the various weapon packs. Then a pause while the Leagues of Votann come out. I expect more Heresy no later than next winter, though I wouldn't be surprised if they snuck one more release into 2022, perhaps an assault or destroyer squad box.

**Tavis75**

So what are peoples thoughts on the rumours that some of this Heresy stuff will be direct only, most specifically the Kratos?

Wasn't really expecting that, obviously knew the pads\helmets most likely would be as they're Forge World, but thought the main plastic kits would probably be generally available, at least initially.

**Agamemnon2**

Tavis75 wrote:
So what are peoples thoughts on the rumours that some of this Heresy stuff will be direct only, most specifically the Kratos?

Wasn't really expecting that, obviously knew the pads\helmets most likely would be as they're Forge World, but thought the main plastic kits would probably be generally available, at least initially.

If third party retail can't get it, that means no extra discounts on top of MSRP, which does of course suck. Being direct-only reminds me of the old Specialist Games business model, back in the Epic: Armageddon and Necromunda: Underhive days, and HH being based on 7th ed. and aimed more at veteran hobbyists would not be inconsistent with that - it's not a game they're expecting to sell a lot to walk-ins.

**lord_blackfang**

Tavis75 wrote:
So what are peoples thoughts on the rumours that some of this Heresy stuff will be direct only, most specifically the Kratos?

Wasn't really expecting that, obviously knew the pads\helmets most likely would be as they're Forge World, but thought the main plastic kits would probably be generally available, at least initially.

Payingfull retail for GW is an instant deal breaker IMHO

**John D Law**

Yeah I think your spot on. After leagues will be

World Eaters (40k)
Necromunda (vehicles, new faction,ect)
Hashut (AoS)

An likely 10th in summertime (EC vs AM)

Somewhere in there they will fit mor HH units and vehicles. kits to adapt terminators to specific legions and so on.