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So my friend wants to use a bio titan against my tau. I will have 2500 points to play with and will not be using any apoc models. Any ideas or suggestions? I guess some hammerheads, but anything else?

75^9 Hammerheads. They're probably going to be the most cost-effective solution to Hierophants the Tau have outside of Apocalypse models. Other than that I guess Riptides would work. You kinda need S9 AP2 or better. Railsides could work, but they'd be wounding on 5+.

Just make sure he's not cheating and using a 3++.

Sniper kroot can work well, seeing as they need a 6 to wound anyway, and thus would be rending. You can get quite bit of damage with them without spamming railheads.

Make sure to upgrade your kroot to bs 5 when you shoot!

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
75^9 Hammerheads. They're probably going to be the most cost-effective solution to Hierophants the Tau have outside of Apocalypse models. Other than that I guess Riptides would work. You kinda need S9 AP2 or better. Railsides could work, but they'd be wounding on 5+.

Just make sure he's not cheating and using a 3++.

not sure what did you mean, but using 3++ on him is not cheating. Heirophant has Warp field, and Warp field gives 3++. It wasn't supposed to when the rules were written, but RAW hi does.

Oh ally with a space marine librarian with null zone and drop it within 24 inches of the bastard, cast null zone, laugh.

Yeah, take the armoured interdiction cadre (4 tanks with D3 +1 free markerlights per turn)
Then take the pathfinder infiltration cadre (3 pathfinder squads plus fish that gives a stealth bubble). Infiltration cadre gives you precision strike for giving up 3 markerlights.

Sit back, dump a couple lights, and nail it with your railheads.


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The librarian is a good idea. But if you don't want to go with that you could always take a null field generator. Gives you a nice bubble of cancelling psychic powers

If hes using the 3++, dont bother playing. You cant win. For its points, its unkillable unless you get really lucky. The 3++ was never meant to be on the herophant and was an unintended side effect of FW being lazy.

 Ratliker wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
75^9 Hammerheads. They're probably going to be the most cost-effective solution to Hierophants the Tau have outside of Apocalypse models. Other than that I guess Riptides would work. You kinda need S9 AP2 or better. Railsides could work, but they'd be wounding on 5+.

Just make sure he's not cheating and using a 3++.

not sure what did you mean, but using 3++ on him is not cheating. Heirophant has Warp field, and Warp field gives 3++. It wasn't supposed to when the rules were written, but RAW hi does.

I wouldn't play against the HBT with a 3++ at 2500. That's just abusing the rules. He's hard enough to kill even without the 3++ at 2.5K.

BTW, I own 2 HBT's and even I don't give them 3++'s.

 juraigamer wrote:
Oh ally with a space marine librarian with null zone and drop it within 24 inches of the bastard, cast null zone, laugh.

Sorry, nice try. Doesn't work. Gargantuans are immune to any psychic power without a Strength value.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
75^9 Hammerheads. They're probably going to be the most cost-effective solution to Hierophants the Tau have outside of Apocalypse models. Other than that I guess Riptides would work. You kinda need S9 AP2 or better. Railsides could work, but they'd be wounding on 5+.

Just make sure he's not cheating and using a 3++.

That is what, almost a million hammerheads????

About a million x million x half a million. Alot.

The kroot snipers are not a bad option.

You could probably manage to tie it up in CC with a riptide for some time as well. Much cheaper point wise.

Tyranid Hierophant is probably one of the hardest enemies to kill in the game.

I have killed a Heirophant with about 3000 pts of deathwing in close combat...

The 3++ actually makes the Hierophant as durable as the Imperial Titan that's the same points cost (the Warhound? Whichever costs about 1200 points) With only the 6++ it used to have under the old Warp Field rules it's way too squishy to be worth its points cost in an Apocalypse game (it would probably die turn 1) and I'd much rather have a Harridan.

Oh, I missed that it was only 2500.
Yeah, that's going to be really hard for you. Then again, the thing is going to be half your opponent's army.

 ansacs wrote:

You could probably manage to tie it up in CC with a riptide for some time as well. Much cheaper point wise.

Tyranid Hierophant is probably one of the hardest enemies to kill in the game.

Can't tie up a Gargantuan Creature in assault unless the assaulting unit is another Gargantuan. After assaulting it with regular units, you just consolidate and the HBT can do whatever it wants on its turn.

Depends on the points level. At 5K, you can reasonably kill him in probably 2-3 turns if you focus practically your entire army at it. However, that will leave the rest of the tyranid army relatively unscathed.

At 10K, you can probably kill it in 1 or 2 turns depending on how much firepower you dedicate.

 Ratliker wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
75^9 Hammerheads. They're probably going to be the most cost-effective solution to Hierophants the Tau have outside of Apocalypse models. Other than that I guess Riptides would work. You kinda need S9 AP2 or better. Railsides could work, but they'd be wounding on 5+.

Just make sure he's not cheating and using a 3++.

not sure what did you mean, but using 3++ on him is not cheating. Heirophant has Warp field, and Warp field gives 3++. It wasn't supposed to when the rules were written, but RAW hi does.

RAW the Warp Field power gives a 3++ to any Zoanthrope (and, as per the FAQ, the Doom of Malan'tail). RAW the Hierophant doesn't have an invulnerable save at all.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Ratliker wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
75^9 Hammerheads. They're probably going to be the most cost-effective solution to Hierophants the Tau have outside of Apocalypse models. Other than that I guess Riptides would work. You kinda need S9 AP2 or better. Railsides could work, but they'd be wounding on 5+.

Just make sure he's not cheating and using a 3++.

not sure what did you mean, but using 3++ on him is not cheating. Heirophant has Warp field, and Warp field gives 3++. It wasn't supposed to when the rules were written, but RAW hi does.

RAW the Warp Field power gives a 3++ to any Zoanthrope (and, as per the FAQ, the Doom of Malan'tail). RAW the Hierophant doesn't have an invulnerable save at all.

Yes, It does specifically state any ZOANTHROPE. Not any model.