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Yeah, a Vet Sgt and a Vet Marine. Bolt Pistols, Chainswords, etc, and either can take a special, storm shields, melee weapons, etc.. basically whatever you want shy of heavy weapons.


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Yeah, a Vet Sgt and a Vet Marine. Bolt Pistols, Chainswords, etc, and either can take a special, storm shields, melee weapons, etc.. basically whatever you want shy of heavy weapons.

Huh. 2 man squads seems like a great way to fill out that +9 command point formation with like 12-15 minimum units haha.

I'm kinda used to thinking of vets in terms of 5-10 sternguard podding down... I'll have to get this index I guess. Teeny squads are great motivation for getting painting. That and tanks having wounds and toughness...

Sounds like increased​ micromanagement in-game, but as simple as the rules sound..

I am loving your dreadnought. Have we seen it before?

Thanks . I posted about him when I first finished him but that was maybe upwards of two years ago?

Bitsboxius I think is his name :-P

Been reading up on 8th ed 40k. Mostly an intellectual pursuit as we'll definitely be playing TNT next, but who knows maybe someday after that...

Anyway I wanted to ask what you guys thought I should do with these scouts:



They're somewhat non-standard, having cadian legs instead of scout legs. I forget why I did this, perhaps a conversion of opportunity?

I think I'm keen to leave the pauldrons black to indicate their novitiate status, only experienced marines get the white right pad, and only vets will get both white pads (and possibly a helmet, but that may be left for Sgts+ only).

But after that I'm open to suggestion. The faces and bolters are probably fine, mainly the chest plates will need to be repainted blue to match the Angels Ascendant. Do I stop there? Would the dark grey fatigues, black gloves, and black boots work, or would that blue be too bright for all the dark? I could change the pants to a dark brown but that may throw off the balance of colors?

What say ye?


In terms of 40k I'm moving forward with the following loose principles/guidelines:

*There's at least a 50% chance of me leaning heavily towards Dark Angels, permanently converting things to fit their data sheet things and whatever. I have a lot of DV termies and bikes so aesthetically it works anyway.

*I'm probably going to institute a 1 for 1 policy in regards to Dark Imperium. Before I'm willing to buy it, I've got to paint one model for each one I'll get. Still considering trying to pawn off the Chaos half, but I'll hold myself to all 53 (i think?) models painted first.
As a side thought, should I count the 11 models (that first AA squad and their Pod) I did earlier towards that or not? I was gonna count them towards "unlocking" Battle for Calth or something but I'm glad I waited.

*I'm operating under some assumptions gleaned from the tactics section:
-scouts are apparently good/cheap for both DA/nilla
-tanks and stuff are expensive but tougher
-apparently for nilla tactical marines you want 5 man squads with a special and matching combi, dark angels sound less conclusive
-storm bolters are quite a winner from the edition change
-drop pods are much more expensive, prohibitively so, and less things can use them. boo. Just painted that one
-I'll probably have to just suck it up and buy the stinky Marine-having Index. I assume the actual codex for space marines will come out sooner than later but the dark angels one will likely be a longer time coming. Buying the index now lets me do all kinds of fun list building and theorycrafting now, and it doesn't cost *thaaat* much.

Hey, if you end up with any Death Guard you don't want, just let me know! DG was my second 40k army ever, and I'm itching to get back to them!

Perhaps something can be worked out. I'm not as greedy as eBay. I probably won't buy the box for awhile yet as I plan to clear a like number of models from my shelf first..but I'll let it be known here when I do.

To me scouts could be any color as they are camouflaged. Your black and grey works for me.

Hmmm. Feels like the armor at least should be blue. I'll try one and see if it's too bright.

Curious to see what the new "stealth"/assault primaris look like.

Hmm did DA ever get access to the land speeder storm? That's one of my regrets as it's a nilla thing but I supposedly​ play dark angels. I guess? Lol. If I go whole hog DA, I may find it some wheels and use if for a post apocalypse cruiser.

Yeah, I've always had an issue with GW painting their Scouts in bright heraldic colours. Here are my DA scouts:



If you're dead set on blue, you could go with a blue-base camo pattern - just googling "blue camo" gives a wealth of examples, and the Russians certainly use a version of it.


It appears that DAs don't have access to the Land Speeder Storm atm. Unless you simply want to include it and ask your opponents nicely if you can run it?

It's not terribly likely that I'll end up playing anyway, but that's what I thought. I bought a bunch of SM stuff and then decided I liked DA lol. Serves me right I guess

Hmm. Well I don't really wanna paint camo, maybe I'll just leave them dark. Or possibly do a much darker (Navy or midnight maybe) blue that keeps them darker but tributes the main scheme.


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Those scouts are pretty sweet btw.

Don't think it matters in 8th ed. Won't the Land Speeder Storm have the <Chapter> keyword?

Using the Chadian legs on the Scouts actually looks pretty cool.

EDC

Those scouts look awesome bud, just pick out one shoulder to go all chapter on, go dark camo on the rest, or I think leave as is, just pick one shoulder.

Not going there on the camo and SM thing, enough to say that those scouts look amazing Az really brilliant work. Can imagine them infiltrating through a jungle quite well. Unlike a bright frigging blue and white "shoot me cus I stand out like a sore thumb!" scout.

Maybe just go with a darker or more muted blue, perhaps with a light drybrush of sandy-brown to further dull them down and make them a bit more infiltrator-earthy?

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Don't think it matters in 8th ed. Won't the Land Speeder Storm have the <Chapter> keyword?

It's not in the big "Dark Angels can have these" list at the start of the DA-specific section of the book, like Tactical Squads or Rhinos, not in the DA list that contains the "Vengeance" etc. I was surprised, actually.

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Not going there on the camo and SM thing, enough to say that those scouts look amazing Az really brilliant work. Can imagine them infiltrating through a jungle quite well. Unlike a bright frigging blue and white "shoot me cus I stand out like a sore thumb!" scout.

Thanks mate. I just feel that Scouts should look like they would be able to, you know, infiltrate and scout.

Yeah LSS are like storm talons, nilla dudes only. I could do a separate group of non DA to take it but I don't think the auras would be compatible so ehh meh.

I think a vague list of what I'd work towards moving forward with DA would be something along the lines of..
DW terminators, 5-10, whatever works there.
DW knights, I have some converted terminators who should be appropriately​ armed and sufficiently​ badass I think.
Belial because he makes those things better.
Some bikers, may as well include the ravenwing. Anything from three and up honestly.
I'd like to use my land raider but they're expensive. Probably load it up with whatever passes for a tooled up command squad/retinue with whichever character, apothecary, veterans, champion or whatnot makes them brutal.
Some scouts.
I'd like a predator but it's likely that or the LR.
I'd like some razorbacks to go with the other armor, or maybe some dreadnoughts.
Past 2000 already but I'd like to do the 4x heavy bolter devastator team, or maybe one plasma for kicks.
And I've got several land speeders that should come into play some time.

Ok so the wife and kids went swimming at a friend's house and me? Well I randomly decided to make a shotgun trip to a semi local gamestore an hour away to pick up the index:imperium 1 so I could toy with lists without assumptions and leading questions here to bait info from Az

I rebased my scouts, I think I'll leave them alone paint wise.

So I'm instituting a mini challenge to "unlock" Dark Imperium.

Basically, it has 52 minis so I have to paint 52 minis before I can buy it. It's a soft restriction, if I see an excellent deal I'll buy it and keep it sealed until I meet goal. The goal has soft "fail" condition in that I need to buy it before work slows down in the winter or I'll never be willing to spend the money . I still plan to try to trade or sell the chaos half but as that's not a guarantee, I'm holding to 52 minis.

Now. Should I count anything towards that so far?

I painted 10 Angels Ascendant and a pod so far, and rebased 5 scouts and cleared them for faction switch. So am I at 16/52, or should I not count the AA marines because I did them before the challenge, or the scouts because I didn't repaint them?

I guess should the challenge be to paint 52 space marine minis from today on, or to have a space marine chapter with 52 painted minis before expanding it?



Anyone seen any stand outs in the II1? It looks like the basic tactical marine and scout profiles are universal to all chapters in the book so it doesn't matter of i do DA or a more generic <chapter> until I start on something that is DA specific or DA unavailable. I'm thinking DA though so I can use my DV terminators and bikes. And my custom fancy DW termies/knights.

I'm glad you only did a rebasing, the paint job works great on them stealth guys.

The tightwad in me says that you start from zero since you are just making the deal with yourself and all of that is done now.

I don't disagree...but the next few things to paint are probably two razorbacks a character and a couple of arm swaps for the 10 marines lol... Gonna be steep uphill at that pace

The dark grey works for me. I'd say the opposite of Theo - if these marines are going to be the main project that you're working on for the 52, you've really only just gotten into doing them, so I'd count them. I also count rebasing as "finishing" figures, as you well know, so there's that as well.

The scouts look pretty good there as well. The grey and black works well and gets my seal of stealth-approval.

I think I agree. Especially with some tanks coming up, I'm gonna need the numbers .

I think the scouts blend in ok thanks to the black robes the marines now wear.

I'm looking at a death wing detachment (well, I dunno if it'll actually be a detachment or just a group lol) comprising Belial, 2x DWT units, and 5 DW Knights. Trying to decide if they get an apothecary or champion. It's a big chunk of army for just 16 figures. 677 points maybe.

Considering a pair of assault cannon razorbacks with some marines and scouts, I'll need some armor penetration. Also planning HB devs because I always wanted some... So I wonder if I need a laspred or if I can afford a land raider. They are both getting a bad rap for being expensive, but the LR especially sounds tough as nails.

Hmm. Maybe some dreadnoughts with ranged loadouts? I need to look into those.

Shooty dreads are best dreads . I haven't even glanced at the rules, that's how ambivalent I've become to GWs stuff lately. Probably because the last few iterations have been junk and me working crap hours so I don't get games in. I know it'll be fun, and the newer models are even better than before.

The basic PDF is like 15 pages tops. Seems pretty straightforward.

Vehicles going to wounds sounds amazing.

I'm liking the excuse to work a longer/larger project than just TNT warbands.

I think ironclads, furiosos, and wolf dreads can do ok mixing it up. Standard and venerables seem like they'd be good shooting. Though this edition is less restricted for the shooting+assault so a DCCW could be pretty useful and a decent solution to tanks.


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I think the internet is out of its mind on preds. Such toughness many wounds. I think trying to replace all guns with lascannons is forcing it and why they end up 200 points. Consider the autolas pred with the original main cannon and Las sponsons. Compared to a twinlas+twinauto dread, the points are the same but the pred is much tougher and it's autocannon is a bit more rangey but does more damage. The dread won't degrade as it gets beat up but the predator has 3 more wounds and 8 toughness.

Think I know which I like better ATM.

I think I have stumbled upon the ultimate in cheap and effective and 3d/2.5d dungeon tiles. 9x ~3" tiles for a buck. They're painted puzzle foam pieces from Dollar Tree. Looks like a sin to me.

Looks fabulous, especially with your little ones running around.

Yar. It's pretty tough being floor mat style foam, may need to seal them though to be safe.

I seem to have inadvertently amassed a modest Deathwing force. Front two need conversion to become Belial and an ancient. The guys on the right will be knights, just using swords aesthetically to count as maces of absolution. Some fixing and converting all around.

Still torn on the pred/dread/raider decision, though people seem to like putting the knights in a raider.

I hear dark eldar are doing ok this edition... And so the madness begins

So many lovely terminators .

EDC

Yar that's probably 2000 points or better lol.


Dang it.

Being seduced by the dark eldar(again).

Ok so knocking out a fun simple 40k 8e Deathwing list, or well mostly deathwing.

I think with the vanguard detatchment I can get 6 elite slots at the expense of a few others which makes up for no deathwing as troops (as far as I can tell?). So anyway, I've come up with this list to use up the 22 or so terminators I have in my collection. May need to chase down a few bits but I think they're all pretty close to ready. Also, named characters are weird this edition...technically you can't use a <chapter> character in a <successor chapter> army, but you know what? If anyone has a fit then I'm playing Dark Angels in temporary (forever) blue camo.

Belial
Deathwing Ancient (SB+Fist, for now)
Deathwing Knights x5
Deathwing Terminators x5 (assault cannon, chain fist)
Deathwing Terminators x5 (ditto)
Deathwing Terminators x5 (yep, same)
Venerable Dreadnought with twinlas and missile (twin-auto is also an option)
Land raider (2x twinlas, twinHB, waiting on doilies until the last few points)

Its like 150+125+ ~250 x 4 plus 165 for the dread and 356 or some such for the tank. Whatever, it comes to like 1779, leaving me 221 points left I think. There's our problem.

I'm both out of elite slots in this detachment and also out of terminators. I have maybe one guy left, and a couple of torsos who do not appear to have legs available. I could nab another set, maybe, but I'd have to kill Fistivius Fistigar and I'm not ready to do that yet.

So what does the list need? It's got 15 terminators deep striking in with Belial and the Ancient, spewing out 74 shots with reroll support and then (most likely a turn later) charging in probably with extra attacks from the Ancient. The Knights ride up in the land raider since getting a (more than) 9" charge is very unreliable and they have no shoots. The dread deploys with the land raider but generally hangs back unloading up to three d6 damage shots at enemy armor. Should be stationary with 2+ to hit, but could move if necessary.

So there's 6 lascannons and a missle for armor, plus 10 power fists, 3 chain fists, and 4 better than power fist maces of absolution to beat up tanks and multiwound stuff. And then there's 14 storm bolters and 3 assault cannons with reroll support to shred infantry. I'm sure other lists get more firepower but it seems like a relatively even mix right now which is nice, but leaves me unsure of what to add.

Recalling that our detachment only has room for 1 more HQ, 3 troops, 2 fast, 1 heavy (unless we can count that LR as a DT?), and maybe a flyer or two... what do I take? I'm fine borrowing some ravenwing or greenwing. Do you see any obvious gaps in the list? It need to be hyper competitive, just playable.

I think there's room for a tactical squad (or scouts) and a razorback. But would you take a twinlass or twasscan (yeah, twin assault cannon sounds like trash can in baby talk, I find it amusing..) razorback, and should the marines take the special + matching combi or a heavy and hang back. Or scouts with snipers?

Or should I spam cheap infantry and take three units of scouts with bolters and heavy bolters. Get them stuck into cover in the mid field and work on objectives? 65 points a squad (as described) certainly fits into our budget.

So do devastators, 65+30+21+5 I think is 121 for a heavy bolter team with a plasma cannon and ammo cherub. Might *maybe* be able to fit in a twasscan-back too, though of course now we're heavily focusing on anti infantry. But I could be overlooking a deficiency and that could be a good thing?

I think one of the DA fliers could work but I don't own one so I'm not sure that's my first choice here.

What about ravenwing? I do have the 14 bikes. No knights, but I could take some plasma guns on bikers. Not sure how many you can get for 221 points. Also still not sure if I should take minimum squads to max out plasma (2 on 3 bikes, possibly with Sgt plasma pistol) or to take a couple guns and fluff out the squad so they're harder to get rid of.

I hear things about twin heavy flamer land speeders, though I think Ravenwing speeders are 119 points with the flamer so I couldn't take two.


Hmm anyway enough of my musing, what should I take guys? Anything missing? Any favorite units to suggest? As a side note, I think you can save 9 points on the Ancient by giving him a pair of lightning claws, or you can spend 18 more points by switching to TH/SS. I held back on the storm shield because I didn't want it to dictate what else I would take, but it *is* a strong upgrade to give a 5 wound model a 3+ invulnerable save.

Thanks for looking.