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.... would that affect your relationship to 40k?

Much vitual ink has been spilled over the ridiculous new price of the Dire Avengers. I'm more interested in what this might mean for the future of other similar units.
These guys are roughly equivalent to Space Marines in terms of Game cost, usefulness, and number of parts in a kit, yet they are now double the price.

It makes one wonder what is store for similiar units in other armies. Space Marines? Chaos Marines? Dark Eldar Wyches?...

I've got my brother's old 90's Eldar in a box. If I ever end up upgrading them it will definitely be via used figs.

They're the same price as assault marines which are troops in my C:BA army so not sure what your point is? Is it just me or are Eldar players the most likely to whine about something?

Bikes are cheaper now, which is good. However the awesome new jetbikes we've been waiting a decade for have still not turned up.

That's the scandal here.

If tactical marines went up I would just wait longer and buy another Dark Vengeance set, I have 2 already.

I'd just shift more time and money from my Galactic Partridges, Black Legion, Dark Angels, Sons of Malice, Ice Dragons, and Blood Ravens lists to my Tyranids, Orks, Alaitocii, Sautekh Necrons, and Valhallans.

Maybe the question should be when space marines are priced like dire avengers.

 Griddlelol wrote:
Maybe the question should be when space marines are priced like dire avengers.

Perhaps inflation will make that meaningless?

 Scott-S6 wrote:
They're the same price as assault marines which are troops in my C:BA army so not sure what your point is? Is it just me or are Eldar players the most likely to whine about something?

Bikes are cheaper now, which is good. However the awesome new jetbikes we've been waiting a decade for have still not turned up.

That's the scandal here.

Epic

 Scott-S6 wrote:
They're the same price as assault marines which are troops in my C:BA army so not sure what your point is? Is it just me or are Eldar players the most likely to whine about something?

So your answer to question how a price increase of basic troops like SM's would affect your hobby and future of other similar units the answer is "Eldar players [are] the most likely to whine about something"? Sure, why not...
Where exactly is this 'whining' in his post? Or maybe just most C:BA players have no reading comprehension?

This is basically the reverse argument to what's happened withall the other new codexes..."my troops just got cheaper in points, now I have to pay more to play a game of x points!"

The real question is, are they worth the points in accordance with how they fit into the codex, that is, not in a vacuum. No-one can answer that yet, so just lets all chill our buns for now.

If DAs had about the same stats or functioned very similarly to SM tacs it wouldn't be so bad. But i dont see DAs getting 4s for statline and a +3 save.

its not about stats its the models them selfs they are terrible sculpts compared to alot of other models but what has pissed alot of people off is the near enough 80% increase in price for the same old models and less of them

its the equvilent of the tact squad being just over £41
or predator being £63

And price of things cant be based on an imaginary points scale or a box of orks would be a third of the price of a tact squad but it isnt

If it was new sculpts new wweapons more options then it may have been easyer to swallow the weird in crease but its not it less models of an old old sculpt for 80% more money

another thing yes the small rant continues why is the eldar wraithknight £70 same price as a stompa or super heavy tank it is far less points (for the people who beleive price is or should be based on points) uses far less material and has less options in the box than say a shadow sword

there you go rant over never trust a company that had gorden brown as a shareholder lol

 Macok wrote:

So your answer to question how a price increase of basic troops like SM's would affect your hobby and future of other similar units the answer is "Eldar players [are] the most likely to whine about something"? Sure, why not...
Where exactly is this 'whining' in his post? Or maybe just most C:BA players have no reading comprehension?

Plenty of other troop units are £20.50 for 5.

I don't see multiple threads about the price of those.

It might be because of Eldar just got updated like... I don't know, a day ago? I know, crazy, right? People talking about the current news! Imagine when the inevitable price hike hits this year and we get several topics about overcharging for a box!

Depending on the quality of the box I may not be put off if a brand spanking new tactical squad came in 5's for the same price, but this is largely due to my current purchases being forgeworld heresy marines and thus more expensive than the by the 5's. Were it however a repack of the existing sprues for a 5 man at a raised price I could see if being annoying.

 Scott-S6 wrote:
They're the same price as assault marines which are troops in my C:BA army so not sure what your point is? Is it just me or are Eldar players the most likely to whine about something?

Bikes are cheaper now, which is good. However the awesome new jetbikes we've been waiting a decade for have still not turned up.

That's the scandal here.

You still have the option of Tactical marines, scouts, death company and a friggin dread as troops. Eldar have useless guardians, and equally expensive rangers as alternatives. Plus they are usually a special choice for othe rmarine players, the fact they are troops is just a codex quirk for BA.

"But DC are the same price" you may reply... but at least they are 30 points a model and get a bad ass kit with tonnes of spares... and allow you to use a fething dreadnought as a troop choice!

5 dire avengers isn't even a viable option in game terms to be competative, unless they have special rules in the new codex to make them as bad-ass as death company, but is doubt it. The major gripe is the fact that they have litterallyt DOUBLED the cost of a box of models over night! regardless of how the new pricing matches up to other existing units, it is still an insane, unjustified price hike.


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 Melcavuk wrote:
Depending on the quality of the box I may not be put off if a brand spanking new tactical squad came in 5's for the same price, but this is largely due to my current purchases being forgeworld heresy marines and thus more expensive than the by the 5's. Were it however a repack of the existing sprues for a 5 man at a raised price I could see if being annoying.

Well that's what happened here with the DA, hence the outrage. if it was a plastic kit that could make, say, DA and Eldar Rangers fromt he same box it would be more reasonable, but straight up doubling the price (or halving the models) is just crazy. If it happens with marines it may be the final nail in the hobby coffin for me. Especially as to justify it, they would have to substantially increase the price of other 5 man marine squads (assualt, devastator and command) to make it look like you get a better deal

Remember when you could buy Skull Pass, and Black Reach for £40? well now you can have one squad of ten models for that price!

ahh for any one in uk go on amazon they are still selling the 10 man box of DA for £23 but shhhh dont tell gw

If the same price hike were to happen to Marines (or, say, Guard which I play much more of) it wouldn't mean much to me, as I mostly buy FW these days; they're becomming cheaper by the day relatively speaking with GW's pricing structure.

If I were a newer player, or starting a new version of army x, these price changes would simply encourage me to make a more elite-centric army. Mechvets for Guard, minimum troops for Marines, more Vanguard, Sternguard, Termies, Tanks, etc. Essentially, I'd look to maintain a decent value for my money translating into points in-game. Kind of a shame really, as I like horde armies, and the diversity between hordes and elites is one of the interesting dynamics in 40k that works well gameplay wise.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Macok wrote:

So your answer to question how a price increase of basic troops like SM's would affect your hobby and future of other similar units the answer is "Eldar players [are] the most likely to whine about something"? Sure, why not...
Where exactly is this 'whining' in his post? Or maybe just most C:BA players have no reading comprehension?

Plenty of other troop units are £20.50 for 5.

I don't see multiple threads about the price of those.

True, but then again they weren't £24 for 10 a few days ago either.

I just don't get it, there must be something more at work here, I mean, you can get 4 guardians/cultists/guardsmen for £6 in those little blisters for christ sakes.... I know that they're horrible pushfit monopose models, but come on....

Dont we have enough Dire Avenger price threads?

I think the problem why eldar players are 'whining' is that the old sculpts have shot up in price, whereas there would be less of a dilemma if they had benn new sculpts which had more options and are better looking

 Griddlelol wrote:
Maybe the question should be when space marines are priced like dire avengers.

Aside from Tactical Marines, most are. Grey Knights, Death Company, Assault Marines, Devastators, and Dark Angels-specific Marines are all priced similarly for 5 dudes. It's just tactical squads, Chaos Marines, and, oddly enough, Grey Hunters that are priced at that same pricepoint. That said, I think it's pretty heinous that they doubled the price on Dire Avengers, when they're models that you'll generally need a bunch of, and they're not too pricey points-wise.

I believe they did that so when you buy the battleforce, you will buy another box of Dire Avengers, and then rather than having 15, or 25 Dire Avengers, you'll have a round number. That's my logic anyway, though I'd rather they scrapped the guardians and given us all 20 Dire Avengers in a battleforce box....

Contact their customer support and let them know how you feel about the dire avengers pricing. I did.

CustServ@gwplc.com

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Griddlelol wrote:
Maybe the question should be when space marines are priced like dire avengers.

Aside from Tactical Marines, most are. Grey Knights, Death Company, Assault Marines, Devastators, and Dark Angels-specific Marines are all priced similarly for 5 dudes. It's just tactical squads, Chaos Marines, and, oddly enough, Grey Hunters that are priced at that same pricepoint. That said, I think it's pretty heinous that they doubled the price on Dire Avengers, when they're models that you'll generally need a bunch of, and they're not too pricey points-wise.

Ironically, maybe this is GW finally coming moving toward pricing it's miniatures per miniature rather than per points value. Of course those hoping for this wanted that to result in lower prices, but that's not the GW way. Next up, 70 dollar boxes of Guardsmen, Necron Warriors, Firewarriors and Guardians.