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Just had a random thought cross my mind but do you guys think that we'll get super heavies soon in regular games of 40k?

Given the sheer size of the wraithlord, it might as well be an APOC game. I want to throw baneblades at the thing so much lol. Maybe 7th edition or maybe just the next IG codex? (Baneblades are one of the few Apoc only units sold on GW web page and I've always wondered why it's only ever in APOC)

I hope so.

I like the Riptide and the Wraithknight,but I do not envisage the IG getting a super heavy ( or SM getting a large base model either )..

just because Tau and Eldar got some big beasties doesn't mean every single codex from now on will.

You dont think that SM will get a Dreadknight variant?? I think you may be right, mostly because DA didnt get one lol

:: gasps at the thought :: I hope so! : D

Because then I could maybe use my Baneblade that I primed but never painted! : D

I wouldn't mind too much, but I wouldn't want them to be must-haves. Big models could be challenging to transport.

I could easily see the IG getting new tanks, quite likely ones that are larger than the current stock... BUT I don't see them being super-heavies. They'd be stepping on Forgeworld's toes, and it would also mean either introducing Structure Points out of Apocalypse or coming up with some other way to make them more resilient.

...after all, we can't have the new shiny being put out of commission by one lucky lascannon shot... can we Riptide/Wraithknight?

I'd have no issue with it. An actual over-sized vehicle would be a nice change from the monstrous creatures we've been getting. But then we get into the whole "vehicles can die from one hit" issue... so we'd have to get into structure points type thing and it would be superheavy vehicles on the table in 40k.

Hell no for baneblade.

I would tolerate a Macharius or Malcador, or maybe even a knight titan (if only so I can use dreamforge's amazing titan models) They still feel too large for regular 40k to me though.

Baneblade is just way too big for a normal game. If you're playing with the proper amount of terrain, it won't be able to move much since it's so big. Also, it's stat's would be extremely wonky. It would have the equivalent to like 9 HP or something right? And unless you made it's main cannon just a really souped up demolisher shell, or went with the Deathstrike method of a variable template, you would have to bust out apocalypse pie plates as well.

 Super Ready wrote:

...after all, we can't have the new shiny being put out of commission by one lucky lascannon shot... can we Riptide/Wraithknight?

I suppose they could always give the tanks wounds and toughness instead of an armor value. The difference between vehicles and creatures seems to be blurred these days.

Not exactly serious about this for the guard, but possibly the space marines. Dreadnoughts should be something to fear, not fragile 'light vehicle', and giving it wounds and toughness could fix that.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Hell no for baneblade.

I would tolerate a Macharius or Malcador, or maybe even a knight titan (if only so I can use dreamforge's amazing titan models) They still feel too large for regular 40k to me though.

Baneblade is just way too big for a normal game. If you're playing with the proper amount of terrain, it won't be able to move much since it's so big. Also, it's stat's would be extremely wonky. It would have the equivalent to like 9 HP or something right? And unless you made it's main cannon just a really souped up demolisher shell, or went with the Deathstrike method of a variable template, you would have to bust out apocalypse pie plates as well.

Hmph. You make a lot of sense.

But I demand that the bigger-than-a-Leman-Russ tank have twin battle cannons on its turret.

Why? Because I like things that have two things instead of one thing.

 Pouncey wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Hell no for baneblade.

I would tolerate a Macharius or Malcador, or maybe even a knight titan (if only so I can use dreamforge's amazing titan models) They still feel too large for regular 40k to me though.

Baneblade is just way too big for a normal game. If you're playing with the proper amount of terrain, it won't be able to move much since it's so big. Also, it's stat's would be extremely wonky. It would have the equivalent to like 9 HP or something right? And unless you made it's main cannon just a really souped up demolisher shell, or went with the Deathstrike method of a variable template, you would have to bust out apocalypse pie plates as well.

Hmph. You make a lot of sense.

But I demand that the bigger-than-a-Leman-Russ tank have twin battle cannons on its turret.

Why? Because I like things that have two things instead of one thing.

So you want a Macharius?

 VikingScott wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Hell no for baneblade.

I would tolerate a Macharius or Malcador, or maybe even a knight titan (if only so I can use dreamforge's amazing titan models) They still feel too large for regular 40k to me though.

Baneblade is just way too big for a normal game. If you're playing with the proper amount of terrain, it won't be able to move much since it's so big. Also, it's stat's would be extremely wonky. It would have the equivalent to like 9 HP or something right? And unless you made it's main cannon just a really souped up demolisher shell, or went with the Deathstrike method of a variable template, you would have to bust out apocalypse pie plates as well.

Hmph. You make a lot of sense.

But I demand that the bigger-than-a-Leman-Russ tank have twin battle cannons on its turret.

Why? Because I like things that have two things instead of one thing.

So you want a Macharius?

. . . Maaaaaaaybe. o///o

I'm fine with all these other armies getting big models, as long as tyranids get the largest scariest MC in the end. Baneblade would indeed have 9 HP, and couldn't be sploded until the final one went away (ref. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/Downloads.html , Apocalypse update) .

As long as TMC are brought to scale in terms of points and scariness I'm totally cool with the 2+/5++ MC toting a s6ap4 heavy 12 rending cannon,with skyfire/intercepter. Totally cool.
Yup. No issues there. Definitely not mad this thing costs less than a decently kitted dakkafex. Not mad at all.

I'm all for super heavies and hope the Bane blade and maybe a variant or two end up in the next Guard Dex.

That said, the Macharius is my favorite tank model of all time. Ever. In the world. But I don't see the dexing it before the 'blade when they have it in plastic.

Bigger is better I always say.

 StarHunter25 wrote:
I'm fine with all these other armies getting big models, as long as tyranids get the largest scariest MC in the end. Baneblade would indeed have 9 HP, and couldn't be sploded until the final one went away (ref. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/Downloads.html , Apocalypse update) .

As long as TMC are brought to scale in terms of points and scariness I'm totally cool with the 2+/5++ MC toting a s6ap4 heavy 12 rending cannon,with skyfire/intercepter. Totally cool.
Yup. No issues there. Definitely not mad this thing costs less than a decently kitted dakkafex. Not mad at all.

I think that's an issue with the Tyranid codex. Don't worry man, you'll have your day when the new codex comes out and all your new toys arrive. Just think of the 5 years the current owners of that MC had to wait around shivering in anticipation while hugging their hopelessly outdated codex that still mentioned target priority tests...

I wonder what if any thing the sm codex might get

A DreadKnight for the DreadKnight, so you have a walking robo-tank that baby-carries your walking robo-tank while the pilot is baby-carried by the walking robo-tank.

I hope not.

Since 'Nids have been brought up, I want to share my insight into the possibilities. Tyranids have a well rounded codex, and very few things do not have an official model, so it is unlikely that we will receive a completely new unit, more likely a revamp of one unit we already possess. The facts are as following; 'Nids are missing the following models.

Parasite of Mortrex
The Doom of Malan'Tai
Mycetic Spore
Tyranid Shrike
Sky-Slasher Swarm
Harpy

Now here is where things get easy. GW is a business, and they need something that can be sold repeatedly, and show up multiple times per army. So, that instantly removes the Parasite of Mortrex and the Doom of Malan'Tai. The Mycetic Spore pod is a transport, and not essential, so that can also be removed. Now, looking back at the previous two releases, we have seen two fairly large models. Tyranid Shrikes and Sky Slasher Swarms get knocked off the list at that point, due to the fact that they are Tyranid Warriors and Ripper Swarms with wings, and quite small. Now, what does that leave us with? The Harpy. The Harpy will most likely wind up being the size of an aircraft along with a total revamp on points price and efficiency, probably boosting its price to at least 200pts with some better weaponry. Now, baring the fact that it is an aerial unit, there is 1 last remaining option for what a new Tyranid model would be, if we solely focused on ground units. Old One Eye. Why? Because he is 260pts, and looks like this.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1460217a&_requestid=2516700

When he should look like this, and is this big.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/6/67/Oldoneeye.jpg

 Psienesis wrote:
A DreadKnight for the DreadKnight, so you have a walking robo-tank that baby-carries your walking robo-tank while the pilot is baby-carried by the walking robo-tank.

Obviously they need it to take on . . . Okay, seriously, the hell? I KNOW that Forge World used to sell a giant demon primarch or something.

Mighta been this guy:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/BLOODTHIRSTER-GREATER-DAEMON-OF-KHORNE.html

But I'm pretty sure the one I'm thinking of was named Angron or something like that.

Also, my friend says, "Some armor for your armor."

All I'll say is that if we end up getting Baneblades in normal games, I will probably stop playing, at least for a while.

That's just way too ridiculous for a normal game. I can barely tolerate the riptide because I can kill it with lasguns, and have intentionally avoided looking at the Eldar Zord wannabe so I don't get frustrated.

We have apocalypse for a reason guys.

Well I was actually talking to the owner of my FLGS about all the new giant units and I was wondering why they were doing it. He seems to think that it is because there are trying to make these types of models more accessible for people than the forge world models. I personally just think it is a way for GW to build big giant models and people say "DUDE that's huge I NEED that!" That's just a way for them to make more money because 100 bucks for a single unit seems outrageous imho.

I'd not be shocked to see the Stompa making it into the new Ork codex, whenever that happens. Some variant of it anyway.

They aren't much bigger than the Wraithknight, and are on the lower end of the power-scale for apoc.

with a price increase of course :(

chiefbigredman wrote:
Well I was actually talking to the owner of my FLGS about all the new giant units and I was wondering why they were doing it. He seems to think that it is because there are trying to make these types of models more accessible for people than the forge world models. I personally just think it is a way for GW to build big giant models and people say "DUDE that's huge I NEED that!" That's just a way for them to make more money because 100 bucks for a single unit seems outrageous imho.

Yes. Yes it is.

If I were starting my Sisters now, I'd be paying over 90 dollars for a 10-woman squad, and another 45 dollars for a transport.

And that unit will probably cost less than the Wraithknight and probably somewhat more than a third of a Baneblade, points-wise.

That's right. I compared the cost of the Wraithknight to the cost of a complete, bread-and-butter Sororitas squad. Come and get me.

The baneblade is just stupidly too large for 40k, as is the ridiculous wraithknight. This edition has totally jumped the shark.

A baneblade makes terrain meaningless because it should be able to just drive through ruins or any other buildings due to its size and power, if it cant then it is not really a baneblade.

My guess is that they may include the Knight Titan for Imperial forces to take in standard play to stand up to all these MCs coming out, esp when you consider the Wraithknight is only 2" shorter than a Warhound Titan.

In other news, Dreamforge leviathan sales are on the rise. ; )

I wish the space wolves get some unique mech or anti-air forces!