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How good is he? Is he competitive? Isn't a decked out dp just better?

Well, a decked out DP is more expensive, and less durable. Abbadon is a CC monster (amon the best in the game) he gets all the bonus of chaos gifts with no downside. He is certainly not an auto take, but he is quite good if what you want is a guy that kills stuff in hand to hand.

Yea I am hoping to bring Abaddon with 9 Chosen with 5x Flamers in a Land Raiders. See what happens. Also giving the Chosen MoS and IoA. Flame up and charge

It would have to be 8 chosen and abbadon, as abbadon takes up two seats. The decked out daemon prince would be black mace, tzeentch, armor and wings. That's 265 points, exactly the same price as abby. Who's better that sort of dp or abby?

That is true, forgot about his Terminator armor being bulky.
It really depends, both are good in CC, but from what I hear Abaddon is a beast in CC compared to any other HQ. I have only used him once, and he had no problems with challenges. But if you bring Abaddon, he has to be your Warlord, if that makes a difference to you or not.

Abaddon is much more durable than the Tzeentch prince due to Eternal Warrior and 2+ armour save. Abaddon doesn't care if he's charging a bunch of Grey Knights or a monstrous creature, the mace Prince does.

I guess the only problem is the dps flesh bane mace tools mcs much better than abbadon would do in cc.kinda wish he had fell no pain like typhus... Can he take the icon of excess?

No icon for Abaddon.

But he does have 2 different CC weapons that you would decide to choose which he would use depending on what he is charging into. So he has different options as well. Yes the black mace with smash attack and fleshbane is good, but Abaddon is just better overall.

I personally do like my Daemon Prince with the same setup as you said earlier, and he takes a lot of focus off the rest of my army, but Abaddon is just that good.

Abaddon is a clear winner over the decked out DP for the same cost. He is more durable and the different CC weapons allow you to adapt to the enemy. Only problem is the due to the points he is really only viable in higher point games.

 Solomongrundy wrote:
No icon for Abaddon.

But he does have 2 different CC weapons that you would decide to choose which he would use depending on what he is charging into. So he has different options as well. Yes the black mace with smash attack and fleshbane are good, but Abaddon is just better overall.

I personally do like my Daemon Prince with the same setup as you said earlier, and he takes a lot of focus off the rest of my army, but Abaddon is just that good.

if the chosen he is with have MoS and have an icon, i think Abby will benefit. At least RAI. Have to check the specific wording on his weird mark.

Hmmm that may be true, I will have to look into it.

He also is a great force multiplier against Space Marines. Giving PE to everything near him as you walk up is great.

Checked codex and RAI says that all Models with MoS in a unit that has IoA has FnP. So sounds to me that this would be the case, unless Abaddon leaves the unit or the unit dies.

Yes Abaddon can benefit from Feel No Pain, since any troop/elite CSM unit with the Mark of Slaneesh can get the Icon of Excess.

There's some debate whether or not the Mark of Chaos Ascendant allows Abaddon to join a unit with a Mark of Chaos, but wording a part (which is still much debatable, IMO) it would be outrageously stupid to say that - fluff-wise - Abaddon would be unable to join some kind of infantry unit...
I can't see how any honest opponent would argue against that.

Diablix wrote:
Yes Abaddon can benefit from Feel No Pain, since any troop/elite CSM unit with the Mark of Slaneesh can get the Icon of Excess.

There's some debate whether or not the Mark of Chaos Ascendant allows Abaddon to join a unit with a Mark of Chaos, but wording a part (which is still much debatable, IMO) it would be outrageously stupid to say that - fluff-wise - Abaddon would be unable to join some kind of infantry unit...
I can't see how any honest opponent would argue against that.

There's absolutely no debate at all; it's been FAQ'd.

There is literally no debate on that once you check the FAQ. He can... Obviously.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I guess the only problem is the dps flesh bane mace tools mcs much better than abbadon would do in cc.kinda wish he had fell no pain like typhus... Can he take the icon of excess?

Abbadon Vs DP with Tzeentch and Mace.

Abbadon Has the same Toughness, better saves (2+/4++ vs 3+/5++), can hide in a unit, has eternal warror which means he never gets put down in one shot. Greyknights can punk a DP very easily.

Flesh bane is no big deal since abby can be S8 Ap3 so it is just as easy to wound (easier actually because he has Shred, and doubles out T4. He can also get Ap2 if need.

Price has slight advantages (though not that meaningful) in Intiaitive and Ws, he is also more mobile and can sweep squads. But without psychic powers Abbadon wins this hands down.

Prince can smash and still get D6 extra attacks from the Mace though.

yes, and can roll a 1 on those attacks and wiff entirely and unless you are fighting a walker, or T5 model that is entirely irrelevant.

The only downside on abby is that he needs a Land Raider to see battle and Abby + Land Raider is a lot more expensive than a DP, I however would take Abby over the DP any day even if i need to pay a LR for him

Biggest bonus for the daemon prince is speed. Big A requires an expensive transport to reliably get into battle

 minigun762 wrote:
Biggest bonus for the daemon prince is speed. Big A requires an expensive transport to reliably get into battle

You really need to take this into account.

The DP is 265. Which is the same as Abby sure, but pretty much everyone here is agreeing he needs the unit/transport for viability. Let's say you do want to take those 8 Chosen and LR.

Abby+ 8 Chose w/4flamers, MoS, IoE+ Landraider w/dozer, dirge caster, Combi-Melta is 730 points.

I say the DP wins out in most respects due to the sheer cost of the Abby bomb. True you could go cheaper on the Abby bomb but you still need over 200 points in a LR just to get him to the fight. The DP flies.

People are still arguing the rather silly point of Abaddon not being able to join units with marks? Despite the FAQ stating he can? Why are they still arguing this?

Breng77 wrote:
yes, and can roll a 1 on those attacks and wiff entirely and unless you are fighting a walker, or T5 model that is entirely irrelevant.

Or if you're fighting anyone T4 or T3 with a 2+ save that isn't Eternal Warrior. I.e. most characters, at least characters from MEQ Codices and GEQ codices.

 Kirasu wrote:
People are still arguing the rather silly point of Abaddon not being able to join units with marks? Despite the FAQ stating he can? Why are they still arguing this?

Unfortunately there are people who don't read the FAQs nor do they own the iPad codices and so only refer to the Hardbacks which have the original erroneous printing. I have personally disputed this in a Tournament game at our FLGS and the player arguing against Abby joining needed to see the GW FAQ Weblinked PDF itself, not a printed version, or my iPad (fully updated) codex before he would let it go and have the game continue. Sad really.

That's my argument, abby is a little tougher, but the dp has better offense and is wayyyyy cheaper overall

It all depends on the rest of your list. I would argue that the offense is fairly comparable, the DP is faster on his own, but may very well die before he gets there. If you already have a place for Abbadon in your list (deepstriking Termies/orblits, large cultist blob, already running a land raider.) Then it is comparable, if you have a list he does not fit in then there is little point in thrying to shoe horn him in. Honestly I don't think either option is as good as a Sorcerer, or CC kitted out lord.

Abby makes chosen troops, grants auto preferred enemy space marine bubble, its deadly in CC, can't auto die to str 10 like a DP can, ect ect.

Abby tends to need a landraider, but a flying daemon prince can be shot down just not as easily as it would be to kill a land raider with shooting.

I do usually run at least one 30 man cultist blob. That's def a good way to.get him across the table

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I do usually run at least one 30 man cultist blob. That's def a good way to.get him across the table

I've done this as well and its pretty effective actually.