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yeah,
Digital - 40k 'The Rules' - up for preorder!

The Rules:
Warhammer 40,000: The Rules is your essential guide to recreating the brutal battles of the 41st Millennium with your collection of Citadel miniatures.

iBook. £25 - Link

eBook. £20 - Link


There is a difference in how they indicate their up-to-dateness...

iBook wrote:...This edition is updated regularly with any rules erratas and FAQ’s.
(last updated - July 2013)

eBook wrote:... This edition contains the rules sections from the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, up to date with all current erratas and FAQ’s.
(last updated - July 2013)

Seems to imply that the iBook will recieve future updates but I'm not so sure about the eBook??
Which is a worry since i've seen a bit of a typo in the eBook preview - Auto Cannon Rending - the rending should be in the type column...

Also weirdly the last update to the paper copy is was in April 2013... so these digital versions will be more up to date than the hard copies!?


iBook. Preview pages.


eBook. Preview pages.


Panic...

That is correct. The iBook versions have received auto updates whereas the eBook versions do not. This has to do with the iBook version being more or less an app that is easily updated where an ePub or mobi file is less "easy" to auto update.

yeah,

 cincydooley wrote:
That is correct. The iBook versions have received auto updates whereas the eBook versions do not. This has to do with the iBook version being more or less an app that is easily updated where an ePub or mobi file is less "easy" to auto update.

Surely the black library can just update the file on their server and then email the list of people who have bought it and tell them it's been updated?

Panic...

That looks like what they're planning to do, with the "Last updated July" bit.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 cincydooley wrote:
That is correct. The iBook versions have received auto updates whereas the eBook versions do not. This has to do with the iBook version being more or less an app that is easily updated where an ePub or mobi file is less "easy" to auto update.

Surely the black library can just update the file on their server and then email the list of people who have bought it and tell them it's been updated?

Panic...

That would certainly be the right thing to do. Not sure if GW would do it though.

Man, I would immediately buy the IBook version if I had a compatible Apple device. Sucks.

I can't help but notice for the ebook ones, they cut a lot of the formatting out for some reason. It's just blank white pages with the relevant plaintext data, instead of the flowery, artistic details in the iBook and physical versions. Rather odd, in my opinion.

I- contracts are a rip-off...

read it carefully...

you are agreeing to a "lifetime rental contract"...

you own NOTHING.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
I- contracts are a rip-off...

read it carefully...

you are agreeing to a "lifetime rental contract"...

you own NOTHING.

So? Just because you're renting the file doesn't mean it isn't worth anything, or it's a rip-off. I rented a van the other month to pick up some furniture. It wasn't a 'rip off' just because I didn't own the van afterwards...

I'm quite aware that I'm only renting this version of the rulebook, but £25 for a handy digital file for the next five years sounds fine to me - after that, I doubt I'll need it anymore because we'll be in 7ed.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 cincydooley wrote:
That is correct. The iBook versions have received auto updates whereas the eBook versions do not. This has to do with the iBook version being more or less an app that is easily updated where an ePub or mobi file is less "easy" to auto update.

Surely the black library can just update the file on their server and then email the list of people who have bought it and tell them it's been updated?

Panic...

Right right. They simply don't auto update for you. You'd have to redownload the new files.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
I- contracts are a rip-off...

read it carefully...

you are agreeing to a "lifetime rental contract"...

you own NOTHING.

True but the same applies to a kindle. If Amazon take a dislike to you they can brick your device and account. I prefer the interactive elements of iPad books but I find a kindle more portable. The reason the kindle books lose the formatting is because there are many different kindles, most of them are black and white and you can manually resize the text so formating would be screwed. Also bear in mind that there is a free kindle app on iPad and iPhone (and iPod touch) so it's got to be able to resize to my iPhone 5

I think this is a decent move and I think the price point is good. I hope they do the same for Warhammer Fantasy and the Hobbit game. It will be interesting to see if the next game they release will get a simultaneous digital release or if they are going to stick to their traditional big hardback book first release.

Ibook version is way better, I should get some ithing

Tempted to buy one, even though I own the massive tome version.

Actually, I think that I'm tempted precisely because I own the massive tome version.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
I- contracts are a rip-off...

read it carefully...

you are agreeing to a "lifetime rental contract"...

you own NOTHING.

This comment is suppose to make you better/smarter than other people who buy it? This comment makes you superior? And the point is?????????????? What is wrong with other people buying it, (or renting it as you say) if they so like to? They know what they are getting into. People who get it, don't make them any worse than you who doesn't buy it?

After all, you are in a 40K forum, and most likely buy miniatures. No matter where you buy the miniatures, you are over paying for them no matter what? So who is the fool here? Someone buying/renting and iPad version or someone who overpays for plastic toy soldiers?

So from what I see, we are only getting the rules, and no fluff/background in there correct? How much is the Canadian version? $50? I don't see a price tag for it.

I hope this means that we will see some new FAQs this July...

davor --
i said nothing about being smarter or better, just that I contracts are a rip off.

thats all

as far as figs go...when i buy that hunk of whatever it is, it is MINE. not someone elses, to just take away.

And btw-- its not an android vs i device thing, just a general liking of the real deal, paper versions. I know we live in the digital age, but i just like having the books thats all.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
davor --
i said nothing about being smarter or better, just that I contracts are a rip off.

thats all

as far as figs go...when i buy that hunk of whatever it is, it is MINE. not someone elses, to just take away.

And btw-- its not an android vs i device thing, just a general liking of the real deal, paper versions. I know we live in the digital age, but i just like having the books thats all.

I agree with you. I like to own things. Funny thing though I can still sell my old rogue trader or 2nd Ed rule book/codex and there will be a buyer at this moment of time. Can you sell your rented digital rules to someone????

 Adam LongWalker wrote:
Can you sell your rented digital rules to someone????

I don't make purchases with a 'pawn shop' mentality behind them. I am plenty OK paying for a service or a rental for something I want. Lots of products have little to no resale value even if I *DID* own them outright. If you have to consider resale value to keep your personal finances working and you need that ability to reclaim cost at any time, more power to you. That simply isn't a worry for me or a requirement for making purchases.

Considering how useful the other iBooks have been and having a legitimate search function, it is worth every penny.

Right with you.

Not to mention the amount of space it allows me to reclaim.

I'm about ready to digitize all my blu rays and just get rid of the physical copies. Anyone interested. Hahah.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
davor --
i said nothing about being smarter or better, just that I contracts are a rip off.

thats all

as far as figs go...when i buy that hunk of whatever it is, it is MINE. not someone elses, to just take away.

And btw-- its not an android vs i device thing, just a general liking of the real deal, paper versions. I know we live in the digital age, but i just like having the books thats all.

Which is the same thing that can be said about any digital product, including DVDs and CDs (read the documentation. They are granting you a licence for limited use). Nothing to do with apple at all. Most people have got over this and don't care nowadays. This argument is about 5 years out of date. Your not telling people anything they don't already know and it brings nothing to the discussion about the product.

As for reselling, personally I have never resold a book or CD in my live. I only know one person who has, when he was out of work and wanted the cash, and he had a huge CD collection. He now regrets it as he lost years of collecting. Most people don't resell, but the do fill landfill with junk.

Anyho...

Glad to see they cut the fluff and did a propper rule book. As much as I like the fluff I would rather this be a reference work for taking with you and not cluttered, who would read the fluff in this format anyway? I'm going to have to pick me one up before my next game. I think the linking rules and searching will make life so much easier. For someone who has problems remembering even some basic rules I think it is going to be a godsend.

Finally an iBook that's priced right. I'm going to be purchasing me thinks. I did half expect it to still be 50 quid given the stupid price of the digital army books etc! But alas to me this is reasonable costing.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 cincydooley wrote:
That is correct. The iBook versions have received auto updates whereas the eBook versions do not. This has to do with the iBook version being more or less an app that is easily updated where an ePub or mobi file is less "easy" to auto update.

Surely the black library can just update the file on their server and then email the list of people who have bought it and tell them it's been updated?

Panic...

Yeah that would work, the problem is a security one (surprise surprise). If they have the file on a server that was publicly accessible they would simply be giving there rules away for free. So yeah they wouldn't do that. Probably work great for the miniature sales though.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
davor --
i said nothing about being smarter or better, just that I contracts are a rip off.

thats all

as far as figs go...when i buy that hunk of whatever it is, it is MINE. not someone elses, to just take away.

And btw-- its not an android vs i device thing, just a general liking of the real deal, paper versions. I know we live in the digital age, but i just like having the books thats all.

Personally I don't see them as a ripoff, if you buy the 6th edition hard back it only has re-sale value for the life of the relevance. As soon as 7th edition comes out you'll be left with a £50 paperweight, at least with the digital you're paying £25, it's easier to carry around, more interactive, and sure, I OWN NOTHING but at the end of the day, they're both going to be outdated and worthless by the time 7th comes out.

 ceorron wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 cincydooley wrote:
That is correct. The iBook versions have received auto updates whereas the eBook versions do not. This has to do with the iBook version being more or less an app that is easily updated where an ePub or mobi file is less "easy" to auto update.

Surely the black library can just update the file on their server and then email the list of people who have bought it and tell them it's been updated?

Panic...

Yeah that would work, the problem is a security one (surprise surprise). If they have the file on a server that was publicly accessible they would simply be giving there rules away for free. So yeah they wouldn't do that. Probably work great for the miniature sales though.

It's no harder than updating everyone's download links and then sending them an email. DrivethruRPG and FFG can handle it with watermarked PDFs, Black Library should be able to manage with bog standard epubs.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
I- contracts are a rip-off...

read it carefully...

you are agreeing to a "lifetime rental contract"...

you own NOTHING.

HOW DARE I RENT A PRODUCT FOR A ONCE OFF PRICE FOR LIFE WHEN THAT PRODUCT WILL NE OUT OF DATE WITHIN FIVE YEARS.

No but seriously. I really don't care about buying a book that is easy to navigate, weighs nothing (since I take my ipad with me when I game anyway.) and isn't laden with fluff and hobby information I could get on this huge resource called the Internet.

Seriously. All I want are the rules. If that's what GW is selling me, then thank you for making your first move to being convenient, GW.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
I- contracts are a rip-off...

read it carefully...

you are agreeing to a "lifetime rental contract"...

you own NOTHING.

HOW DARE I RENT A PRODUCT FOR A ONCE OFF PRICE FOR LIFE WHEN THAT PRODUCT WILL NE OUT OF DATE WITHIN FIVE YEARS.

No but seriously. I really don't care about buying a book that is easy to navigate, weighs nothing (since I take my ipad with me when I game anyway.) and isn't laden with fluff and hobby information I could get on this huge resource called the Internet.

Seriously. All I want are the rules. If that's what GW is selling me, then thank you for making your first move to being convenient, GW.

Problem being that this game is aimed at hoarders, I'm sorry, collectors. Not being able to read it in 20 years because the format is no longer supported is a downside, even if the ruleset is obsolete. One thing you can say about paper is that it will last a long time if you take even minimal care of it.

Sure. I'll always buy a copy of a codex I want to keep in print.

If I am buying e rules on my ipad, I've probably already bought them, if I want to keep them. Paying a reduced price for convenience is something I'm willing to do.

Also, there is nothing stopping a player from keeping his iBooks on his computer, or printing them out. There is also nothing stopping a player from buying both books.


My argument was aimed at the fact that this guy comes in guns blazing with an automatic anti-apple attitude. If he wants to buy a 2 kilogram paperweight that's his business. Since they don't sell the pocket sized books on their own, this is my best bet for getting what I want: rules.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
davor --
i said nothing about being smarter or better, just that I contracts are a rip off.

thats all

as far as figs go...when i buy that hunk of whatever it is, it is MINE. not someone elses, to just take away.

And btw-- its not an android vs i device thing, just a general liking of the real deal, paper versions. I know we live in the digital age, but i just like having the books thats all.

Sorry then. I took what you said as something else, my apologies.

 FarseerAndyMan wrote:
I- contracts are a rip-off...

read it carefully...

you are agreeing to a "lifetime rental contract"...

you own NOTHING.

Hm? They might call it a rental, but as long as I got a digital copy on my PC, it's my copy they can't take away...

Well you can still sell it. Basically you will be selling your account with everything to it. You can't sell it individually unless you make an account for the one individual book, and then sell the account to someone else with the password. I believe this would work.