Who or What could take DOWN a Space Marine!?

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**sir mongo**

The white rabbit form Monty Python and the Holy Grail, because it has fangs.

**Retribution**

Necroman wrote:The Shrike from Hyperion could definitely take one down. It's able to control time and space and made a person age backwards merely by touching them.

I have to finish reading that series, the first book was great

**focusedfire**

Now I know I'm old. 18 pages and no one thought of these guys:

Dr. Who- If he has his Sonic Screwdriver.

Agent J and Agent K of the MIB

Connor McCleod- As long as Series Executives aren't pushing Adrian Paul and ruining the History, there was a rumor once that the Emprah was based upon the Character.

Flash Gordon- because of his connections with old school Eldar(Jet-Bikes and Hawkmen, Get it

................Aw you kids just don't know good comedy

.)

There are others, but I think that is enough

**Space_Potato**

FLY MY HAWKMEN!!

S_P

**aka_tizz**

focusedfire wrote:Connor McCleod- As long as Series Executives aren't pushing Adrian Paul and ruining the History, there was a rumor once that the Emprah was based upon the Character.

Nah, chainswords cut immortal heads just as they cut through any IG. However, in the end, there can be only one, i just doubt it's McLeod in this case

**focusedfire**

aka_tizz wrote:
focusedfire wrote:Connor McCleod- As long as Series Executives aren't pushing Adrian Paul and ruining the History, there was a rumor once that the Emprah was based upon the Character.

Nah, chainswords cut immortal heads just as they cut through any IG. However, in the end, there can be only one, i just doubt it's McLeod in this case

SM => Emperor, Now that is some Imperium level thinking that I have only one response to. HERETIC!!!.....Not that is a bad thing.

**Kurgash**

The Grim Squeaker

**cormz**

Bruce lee would kill the space marine and chuck norris put together. Oooooh, that just gave me a good idea, imagine bruce lee or chuck norris in a space marine suit.

**Boss 'eadbreaka**

The Flying Spaghetti Monster
Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen
A Bronze dragon from Anne Mcaffrey's Dragons of Pern. (If you havn't heard of it, these books are some of the greatest Sci-fi books of the 70s and 80s.)
Possibly Iron Man or Hellboy?

**calgar 2.5**

http://www.swfcabin.com/open/1265176060

BTW, Sam Fisher, Rainbow Field Teams, or a Ghost Recon squad could do it.

**Soladrin**

Owain wrote:Here we go:

Brotherhood of Steel:
-While their power armour makes them strong and offers some defense, they're no faster or more agile than a normal human; Space Marines are.
-They have nothing that'll pierce power armour save for missile launchers, and it would be quite hard to use those en masse or kill Space Marines with them. Not to mention that BoS power armour has GLARING weak spots(look at all that exposed cloth on the joints and midsection) and the rest is just steel plating... anything can chew through that given time.

Starcraft Marines:
-Once again, maybe strong and protected but still slower. I don't think they're genetically engineered like an Astartes.
-They may have armor-piercing weapons, but I'm foreseeing a lot of 5.56mm syndrome... a little piercing, but not enough knockdown. Bolter shells are bigger AND explosive... it wouldn't be hard to use a bolter to suppress and charge.

Jedi:
I love this matchup. Bolter shells are explosive... when a shell hits a lightsaber beam, it'll detonate. Open up on a Jedi, he attempts to block, and each round that's on target will either blow up in his face or straight-up hit and kill him. If he makes it into close combat he'll be riddled with shell fragments. In close combat, it depends on the Marine's armament. Ceramite could probably offer some protection against lightsabers(ceramics absorb a LOT of heat) and power weapons would probably block a lightsaber blade... a chainsword wouldn't do much, but even then the Marine has size, strength and endurance... and a Jedi isn't THAT much faster than an enhanced Astartes. I see the marine taking a lot of damage and potentially losing a limb or two, but battering his way through. Group-to-group, the Space Marines would leverage firepower... not a chance.

BoS power armor didn't have any of those weak spots(though it would still suck in comparison to SM armor) in 1 or 2 and they had plenty that would pierce SM armor. Plasma weapons, gatling laser, Vindicator gatling gun, Gauss Rifle, the old powercell that used microfusion cells for ammo.....

Rest, I heartily agree with XD

**Snikkyd**

Owain wrote:
Jedi:
I love this matchup. Bolter shells are explosive... when a shell hits a lightsaber beam, it'll detonate. Open up on a Jedi, he attempts to block, and each round that's on target will either blow up in his face or straight-up hit and kill him. If he makes it into close combat he'll be riddled with shell fragments. In close combat, it depends on the Marine's armament. Ceramite could probably offer some protection against lightsabers(ceramics absorb a LOT of heat) and power weapons would probably block a lightsaber blade... a chainsword wouldn't do much, but even then the Marine has size, strength and endurance... and a Jedi isn't THAT much faster than an enhanced Astartes. I see the marine taking a lot of damage and potentially losing a limb or two, but battering his way through. Group-to-group, the Space Marines would leverage firepower... not a chance.

Yeah, but couldn't the Jedi forsee the SMs attacks? Plus you completely forgot about force powers. A Jedi could just pull the bolter out of the SMs hands before he could react.

**Soladrin**

Force Lightning /end thread

**HoverBoy**

Force chocke is better in 1v1

**Soladrin**

The force unleashed does not support your argument.

**Commissar NIkev**

A piece of Cheese with a las-gun

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Space_Potato wrote:

FLY MY HAWKMEN!!

S_P

DUDE!!!!!!!!
where is this from?

**Boss 'eadbreaka**

Commissar NIkev wrote:A piece of Cheese with a las-gun

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Space_Potato wrote:

FLY MY HAWKMEN!!

S_P

DUDE!!!!!!!!
where is this from?

Sigh, I didn't even live in the 70s and I know what Flash Gordon is. You sad little man, go sit in the corner and think about what you've done, then google it.

**Retribution**

The real question is: could a Jedi take on a Warlock?

**SPBWF7**

Soladrin wrote:
Owain wrote:Here we go:

Brotherhood of Steel:
-While their power armour makes them strong and offers some defense, they're no faster or more agile than a normal human; Space Marines are.
-They have nothing that'll pierce power armour save for missile launchers, and it would be quite hard to use those en masse or kill Space Marines with them. Not to mention that BoS power armour has GLARING weak spots(look at all that exposed cloth on the joints and midsection) and the rest is just steel plating... anything can chew through that given time.

Starcraft Marines:
-Once again, maybe strong and protected but still slower. I don't think they're genetically engineered like an Astartes.
-They may have armor-piercing weapons, but I'm foreseeing a lot of 5.56mm syndrome... a little piercing, but not enough knockdown. Bolter shells are bigger AND explosive... it wouldn't be hard to use a bolter to suppress and charge.

Jedi:
I love this matchup. Bolter shells are explosive... when a shell hits a lightsaber beam, it'll detonate. Open up on a Jedi, he attempts to block, and each round that's on target will either blow up in his face or straight-up hit and kill him. If he makes it into close combat he'll be riddled with shell fragments. In close combat, it depends on the Marine's armament. Ceramite could probably offer some protection against lightsabers(ceramics absorb a LOT of heat) and power weapons would probably block a lightsaber blade... a chainsword wouldn't do much, but even then the Marine has size, strength and endurance... and a Jedi isn't THAT much faster than an enhanced Astartes. I see the marine taking a lot of damage and potentially losing a limb or two, but battering his way through. Group-to-group, the Space Marines would leverage firepower... not a chance.

BoS power armor didn't have any of those weak spots(though it would still suck in comparison to SM armor) in 1 or 2 and they had plenty that would pierce SM armor. Plasma weapons, gatling laser, Vindicator gatling gun, Gauss Rifle, the old powercell that used microfusion cells for ammo.....

Rest, I heartily agree with XD

On the Starcraft space marines, they have plenty of stopping power. Consider this:

2.1 x 10^5 J: Single round of depleted uranium from an A-10 Warthog's GAU-8 rotating cannon (1,800 rpm) = 50 grams TNT equivalent (taken from Boom Table -> http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3x1.html)

Now, that pierces the armor of most modern armored vehicles, except for the newest main battle tanks.

The Starcraft Space Marines all utilize the C-17 Gauss Rifle (if I recall correctly, I don't have the main book with me). As seen in the game/book, this fires depleted uranium munitions in 5 round bursts, TO PREVENT OVERHEATING, meaning that the munitions are moving through the barrel at extremely high speeds (also extrapolated from the fact that these are gauss rifles (i.e. magnetically accelerated, i.e. similar to micro rail-guns). The energy that will be imparted through those munitions would easily surpass the energy given above, as the energy is dependent on the mass multiplied by the square of the velocity. Higher velocity gives you mush more higher energy, and thus stopping power, than mass.

Now, if you want to consider the possibility of 40k Space Marine power armor as having Whipple shield (hypervelocity weapons can be stopped (for a while) by a Whipple shield (until it is shot full of holes). Whipple shields are set at some distance from the hull, if the spacing is larger than the radius of the explosion(the hypervelocity munition would explode due to shear force of impact), the shield takes damage but the hull does not), this is where burst fire comes into play.

**HighProphetOfDestruction**

An Elite Honor guard from halo. A space marine wouldn't see him with his cloaking devise activated and then he would slice the space marine in half with his Energy Sword.

**Necroman**

HighProphetOfDestruction wrote:An Elite Honor guard from halo. A space marine wouldn't see him with his cloaking devise activated and then he would slice the space marine in half with his Energy Sword.

Er... Honor Guards don't have cloaking devices, last time I checked. Neither do Elite Honor Guards.

Was this in one of the books?

**Munch Munch!**

Maybe he's confused with the arbiter? He used to be a zealot and they look similar to elite honour guards.

**Tim the Biovore**

Raptor Jesus.

**Commissar NIkev**

Retribution wrote:The real question is: could a Jedi take on a Warlock?

Nope....Warlock would win.........no question.....

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Munch Munch! wrote:Maybe he's confused with the arbiter? He used to be a zealot and they look similar to elite honour guards.

he could be mistaking them with the Regular elites.....I remember playing halo 2 and I think reading some of the books and the Elites could Cloak (COWARDS). =/

**Widdy**

Any main character from any Final fantasy ESPECIALLY cloud (can block/dodge bullets and busters/neo busters weight would see him through the ceramite id you do not know what i mean watch advent children) and Squall (Id like to see a marine stand up to him when he uses leonhart)

**Necroman**

Sutekh from Doctor Who could do it; he destroys stars with his mind.

This really all depends on which weaponry the Space Marine is given. Chainsword? Gonna probably not do well against a lot of foes. Bolter? A rapidfire grenade launcher puts him head and shoulders above the competition.

For the whole Elite thing... Anyone wielding an Energy Sword isn't going to be much of a threat, with it requiring them to be in range. The Arbiter could probably do it with some range, but is dead as soon as he's close up. An invisible elite could do it, but he has to be very stealthy... Something which I've noticed invisible Elites kinda suck at, much to my pleasure when killing them.

Tartarus could definitely do it; explosives did zilch against his weird energy shield, and only extremely high firepower (Beam rifle) could disable it temporarily. And one hit from his hammer will flatten the Space Marine. Unless that Space Marine has a Melta or power weapon or whatnot, in which case Tartarus becomes the unfortunate victim of high firepower.

Commissar NIkev wrote:Nope....Warlock would win.........no question.....

Depends on WHICH Jedi or Sith. Some are pretty pathetic; Nihilus can kill everything on a planet with a thought.

P.S. I figured out where Honor Guards have cloaking; in Halo Wars, you can apparently get it as an upgrade.

**Boss 'eadbreaka**

As I asked above, could Iron Man or maybe Hellboy have any chance?

**Ensis Ferrae**

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:As I asked above, could Iron Man or maybe Hellboy have any chance?

I dont think hellboy would, although its hard for me to say (he does have a grown on powerfist) but i think that if tony stark survived his first encounter with a space marine, he would alter/create an iron man suit that could take out marines.... OR he would just launch the Jericho missile

**Tim the Biovore**

Yes, Iron Man could. Hellboy, no, as he is essentially a normal daemon. Or really a Nazi Daemon, but that isn't the point.

**Boss 'eadbreaka**

Tim the Biovore wrote:Yes, Iron Man could. Hellboy, no, as he is essentially a normal daemon. Or really a Nazi Daemon, but that isn't the point.

Yes, but what would The Samaritan or Big Baby do to a marine? The former might be comparable to perhaps a Hotshot Laspistol and the latter made such a big mess of that plant monster in The Golden Army, that I don't think power armour would stand up to it.