The Dust Tactics (& Dust Warfare) News and Rumors Thread

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**BrookM**

Most immediate pre-orders can be found on the Dust site over at FFG: http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite_sec.asp?eidm=123&esem=2

Currently we can expect the following Axis and Allied units: New core set, Tank Busters, Red Devils, Zombie Nazis and Heavy Recon Grenadiers. Here's hoping they soon turn the bitch who can control the dead into a regular release as well along with those other "limited release" heroes from those tourney packs.

**Necros**

Yeah I hope they don't keep those characters only in tourney packs.. I could see doing it for a while and then releasing them to everyone a few months later, but it would suck if you could never ever get them if you don't play in tournaments.. which I'm 99.99928437% sure I never will...

**BrookM**

Added insult is that those packs were US only.

**Pael**

I concur with the disgruntledness of these tournament packs. I am in the us and could not find a store that participated in said events....

**BrookM**

Hrm, looks like when its "US only" its US as in FFG.

**plastictrees**

Just got the original (?) core set from Amazon, was up for only $60, seems to back to $95 now.
Looking forward to painting the minis and playing once my son leaves for college in eighteen years.

**BrookM**

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2512

Announcing DUST WARFARE

Allied Captain Joseph Brown looked out the window of his building at the devastated streets of Scapa Flow beyond. Smoke and fire issued from the battered husks of buildings. He kept his eyes open for signs of the enemy. Soon enough, a line of fearsome Axis combat walkers thundered with each step as they strode up the alley. Captain Brown loaded a grenade into his launcher and signaled to his troops…

Fantasy Flight Games is excited to announce the upcoming release of Dust Warfare, designed by renowned miniatures guru Andy Chambers! Our intent to launch a Dust tabletop miniatures game was announced even before Dust Tactics was released. Now the success of Dust Tactics has paved the way for us to take the next step. Currently in beta, this tactical tabletop miniatures game of alternate 1940s reality World War II combat will demo throughout Gen Con Indy 2011.

World War II with alien technology

The year is 1947, and World War II still rages, fueled by the discovery of alien technology. The world’s superpowers have developed unprecedented weaponry, including lasers, phaser cannons, and massive combat walkers. These war machines stride across the battlefield, protected by their heavy armor, and devastate enemy troops with their fearsome cannons.

Dust Warfare players assume the roles of generals, each commanding a custom-built army of squads, walkers, and heroes. Draw upon Axis might or Allied versatility as you wage ferocious battles for control of the rare ore, VK, needed to fuel the most powerful of the superpowers’ weapons.

Double the bang for your buck

Dust Warfare players build armies from the exact same set of miniatures as Dust Tactics. This means that if you already own a Dust Tactics army, all you need is the Dust Warfare rulebook. All the stunning Dust Tactics miniatures will be useable for Dust Warfare immediately upon its release, and as both games go forward, they will continue to draw from the same wealth of fantastically detailed miniatures.

Current fans of Dust Tactics will recognize the furious combat, strategic scenarios, and gorgeous miniatures. Players new to the world of Dust are in for a treat.

Dust Tactics introduced rules for fast, intense combats featuring combat walkers, bazookas, flamethrowers, and lasers. Dust Warfare builds upon the board game’s rules and strengths to offer players an exciting new game experience with the tactical and strategic challenges of a tabletop miniatures game.

Fantasy Flight Games has exciting plans for the Dust Tactics and Dust Warfare lines, and players who pick up Dust Tactics miniatures find their new units immediately useable for play in both games!

Command your army from start to finish

Designed by Andy Chambers, the Dust Warfare rulebook introduces unprecedented player engagement. Players first get drawn into the action during the Command Phase, where you have to choose how to spend command points during an escalating battle. You might spend command points early and often to advance and sustain an early lead, or you might save them up for dramatic late-game effects that may decisively turn the tide of battle. The Command Phase presents players with the chance to exert their influence and command style upon the field of battle in an engaging new way.

Players have the chance to activate all their forces during the Unit Phase, and reaction mechanics keep you fully engaged throughout your opponent’s turns. As enemy units close in on yours or begin to open fire, you can choose to spend actions from your next turn to react. Keen commanders will make good use of their reaction options. They will also learn how best to feint and bait their opponents to react, draining them of available actions.

As the battle heats up and casualties mount, you need to keep a sharp eye toward your army’s morale. The constant barrage of enemy fire can suppress your units or even force them to retreat. You may try to lay suppression fire even when you can’t destroy your enemy’s unit. Sometimes, just pinning them down can give you the edge you need.

Join the battle

Dust Warfare takes the rules and miniatures you love from Dust Tactics and expands upon them in exciting new ways to bring gritty, alternate-reality WWII action to your tabletop.

If you’re attending Gen Con Indy 2011, be sure to stop by our Exhibit Hall booth to catch a demo of this fast and furious miniatures game.

The future looks bright for both Dust Tactics and Dust Warfare. Keep scouting this page for advance intelligence on the Dust Warfare rulebook, and offer your analysis of allied and enemy troop movement to other commanders in our community forum.

Dust Warfare is scheduled for release in the fourth quarter of 2011.

**Kanluwen**

I was about to set that up as its very own thread.

Also: Andy Chambers doing another game system.

*looks at Starship Troopers...sighs*

Well Dust, we've had a good run.

**BrookM**

Kanluwen wrote:I was about to set that up as its very own thread.

Also: Andy Chambers doing another game system.

*looks at Starship Troopers...sighs*

Well Dust, we've had a good run.

Wait, what? Somehow I doubt that if the rules blow it will be the end of Dust and Dust Tactics.

**Kanluwen**

BrookM wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:I was about to set that up as its very own thread.

Also: Andy Chambers doing another game system.

*looks at Starship Troopers...sighs*

Well Dust, we've had a good run.
Wait, what? Somehow I doubt that if the rules blow it will be the end of Dust and Dust Tactics.

The point was that a lot of people got drawn in because of his name being associated with it. As the expansions for it released, interest died down because the rules brought forward in the expansion books didn't mesh well with the main book--because Chambers wasn't involved to ensure they did.

Is it a bit doom and gloomy? Sure. But it's hard enough to get people interested in Dust as it is, having his name on the system isn't going to help in my gaming circle.

**Vertrucio**

Well, I was going to sell off my Dust Tactics original box, but I'll probably to keep it to see how Warfare turns out.

I really liked all incarnations of the Starship Troopers rules, including the Battlefield Evolution versions.

What they've hinted at in that press release is a system that sounds like something close to SST, but expanded upon.

I'll be buying Warfare when FFG release it.

I know that others at my game store liked what they saw of the miniatures for Tactics, but were turned off by how simplistic the boardgame rules were (myself included), so this bodes well.

It's also nice to see them finally say something about this, since they talked about these rules even before DT was released, up until now I thought it was just a broken promise.

**DoomOnYou72**

This is what I have been waiting for. And the fact that it is Andy Chambers is a plus for our group. Mongooses poor decisions ruined SST not his rules...hell we loved SST right up until the end when MG dropped it to screw it up with BF Evo.

**[So]Rice**

Finally... Thought it was never going to happen...

**Necros**

Now this is what I call a fist full of awesome.

Can't wait for the book.

I thought it was supposed to be a free PDF, kinda glad they decided to make it a real book you can hold though. But I hope they keep the units the same as Dust Tactics, like how you buy your box of 5 men and that's your whole unit. I don't wanna have WWII40K where I gotta buy 2 or 3 boxes for the unit I want, and then still try and find all the bitz I need to equip them right.

**Some_Call_Me_Tim?**

Yes, yes, yes! I cannot wait, this promises to be awesome!

_Tim?

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Necros wrote:Now this is what I call a fist full of awesome.

Can't wait for the book.

I thought it was supposed to be a free PDF, kinda glad they decided to make it a real book you can hold though. But I hope they keep the units the same as Dust Tactics, like how you buy your box of 5 men and that's your whole unit. I don't wanna have WWII40K where I gotta buy 2 or 3 boxes for the unit I want, and then still try and find all the bitz I need to equip them right.

Judging from the pictures I have seen so far, squads are exactly what comes in the box! Man, if the rules are good, I am gonna be tempted to drop my Tau army, because I cannot afford that thing!

Also judging from the pictures, I am going to have make myself some terrain like that.

_Tim?

**Alpharius**

Finally indeed!

Let the scramble for the box sets begin!

**Duncan_Idaho**

Let`s say the rules combine the best from AT-43, Dust Tactics and SST and add a little bit more.

You will be able to use your DT-units with DW, no need to worry, but you will also be able to scale your game.

Oh, and gettin both Core Sets (First and Revised) is not the worst idea when preparing for Dust Warfare. Thinkin about it... you should prepare to field units in WWII organizational style

!

**[So]Rice**

A few questions if you can answer them Duncan_Idaho,

What size are the boards? 4x4 or 6x4?
And standard army size to play? (like WH40k is 1500 or 2000...)

**Necros**

So will it be like a box of recon grenadiers is all you need for the unit, but you can add extra men to it and make it bigger? like units in warmachine?

**yakface**

Do we need a new separate thread specficially to discuss Dust Warfare?

Or should I just adjust the thread title to add Dust Warfare into the mix as well?

**Alpharius**

I say, for now, we edit the thread title to include DUST WARFARE.

If (when, please?) it grows big enough to warrant it, we can split it out then...

**Necros**

Yeah you can just change to something like "the dust tactics & dust warfare news & rumors thread"

**Dais**

I am not very interested in those minatures boardgames like dust tactics but the thought of fantasy flight doing a full wargame makes me salivate. I'm already practically a FFG fanboy, so I will certainly check this out.

**chaos0xomega**

If you're going to be getting into DUST Warfare, you might as well give DUST Tactics a try, it aint bad for quickies and such.

I honestly can't wait, but I want to see some friggin alt-history Fallschirmjaeger already!

**wildger**

yakface wrote:
Do we need a new separate thread specficially to discuss Dust Warfare?

Or should I just adjust the thread title to add Dust Warfare into the mix as well?

This is one of the biggest news for the gaming industry. Of course it deserves a separate thread.

**endtransmission**

I'd say stick to the one thread for now as both systems use the same miniatures and, for now, Dust Warfare is just the one book. One thread seems to be working nicely for the 40K roleplaying games, even though they are technically separate systems.

I've not even played a game of Tactics yet and this has made me think about ordering a second copy of the original starter!

**Vertrucio**

I can't stress how relieved I was to hear about this. I kinda made a stupid speculative purchase on the Tactics box. I kinda had to since I told my store to pick it up since I figured someone would buy it if I didn't, no one did.

Unfortunately I bought it and tried it knowing what kind of game it was, but just didn't like it. That's not a knock on the game, but it just wasn't to my taste. So I was left hoping that they would come through on their promise of a tabletop ruleset, then on hoping that the tabletop rules were something I would like.

This announcement basically puts me at a 180 on Dust, since as I already stated I really liked all versions of the SST rules, and now there's a new ruleset from the same guy that sounds like it expands on all those aspects I liked.

The only problem I have with the idea is that everything they describe sounds close to the rules I've been writing for my own miniatures game. Right down to command point system and risking actions.

But, I guess that's the challenge of game development.

**Duncan_Idaho**

@questions

not that far away from the truth.

But without spilling the beans too much I can say this:

At first you will be surprised when you see the rules for the first time, then you will have your first round of games and suddenly it makes click-click-click as you become aware of the mechanics (Oh, this happens because of this and this because of this and that works with thit...) Once you play it it becomes very intuitive cause really can grasp the mechanics. With some other games you accept that there is this rule, but with DW you will realize why it is there as soon as you play the game.

**Pael**

This is a lot sooner than I expected awesome!!

**BrookM**

Well, the time between announcing the product and actually having it is going to be quite some time yet.