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Yes but I was thinking they would announce sometime next year, this year it will be just in time for christmas.

Christmas pre-order and if I'm lucky, just in time for my birthday in April.

Duncan if you are allowed to answer... or anyone...

Is Warfare going to use the same stat cards as Tactics? or will it be more like 40K where you make an army list?

Are heroes going to be sold separately? Like what if someone just buys the warfare rulebook and not a tactics box set, will they still have to buy the Tactics box sets too if they want a hero to lead their army?

I'm guessing the updated points costs have something to do with Warfare rules.. and it would be cool if I could just order the models from the expansions instead of the whole box set since I'm most likely only gonna be playing Warfare. No one in my club seems interested in a miniatures board game, but I think they'd be more intested in the table top game since we're all so used to 40K and WFB and Warmahordes.

The stats wer updated to better differentiate the units in DT.

But it's hard enough to get people interested in Dust as it is, having his [Andy Chambers] name on the system isn't going to help in my gaming circle.

His name just got my attenton and I don't even play Dust. I like the minis and the concept, but the trouble I've found recently is there are simply too many games catching my attention at the moment - the wargame industry is like Wonker's Chocolate Factory for me right now. It's a nice problem to have

Can someone tell me (again) what the difference is between the two (?) starter sets?

This time, I really am going to buy the game!

Revised rules for the most part. And a slew of different units, less robot, more infantry.

So it is probably worth it to get both?

I'd say so.

The older set looked like it would be more of a "Guard" styled force for each side, while the new one looks like it'd be more "Power Armor Heavy Hitters".

The first set is a great bargain: you pay for four robots and get the rest for free.

Yep, get the old one while it's still around. It's a great deal for the amt of miniatures in there. 2 walkers, 3 units of 5 men and 1 hero for each army. The new starter I think will be 1 walker & 2 units & a hero for each.

I have the old starter set, I'll be getting the new one when it's released plus probably a command squad for each army and then I think I'll be pretty set with a good sized force for both axis and allies

BrookM wrote:The first set is a great bargain: you pay for four robots and get the rest for free.

To be fair though you dont get the artillery options for the mechs. Still it is a great deal

The new starter has three infantry squads along with a hero and robot:

Allies: Reinforcements have appeared, their speedy arrival financed from the deep pockets of the secret Allied organization ASOCOM. The Allies are ready to say a deadly “hello” to their Axis foes with their new forces: the Blackhawk, Death Dealers, Hell Boys, Hammers, and a new hero named Rhino. The high-tech Blackhawk can send a deluge of firepower against any infantry unit or tank. Use the walker’s speed to reach the enemy then turn Blackhawk’s cannons red hot when you increase its rate of fire. The aptly named Hammers are ready to smash through Axis lines with their turbo-charged fists. These mighty forces are brutally fast and effective. While the Death Dealers have no special ability, they still deal out savage attacks with their full arsenal of weaponry. The Allied Hell Boys will certainly turn up the heat on the battlefield with their attacks. Get them close to any Axis walker then give them hell. Sergeant Major William Springfield, aka Rhino, can become quite feverish in his devoted fight against enemy troops. Uncontrollable in his rage, Rhino will vigorously attack his foes, resulting in catastrophic Axis losses.

Ze Germans: The Blutkreuz Korps refuse to be bested on any field of battle. When their spies heard about new Allied troops they found troops to counter the new arrival. The Axis high command is pleased to introduce the Heavy Flak Grenadiers, Sturmpionieren, Heavy Laser Grenadiers, the new walker, Hans, and fellow hero, Lara. The Axis’ Hans should always be deployed to have it scout ahead and devastate any Allied walkers it finds. One hit is deadly to most tanks. Both the Heavy Flak Grenadiers and the Heavy Laser Grenadiers are welcome additions to an Axis army. The Heavy Flak Grenadiers have an incredible rate of fire to attack against any sluggish target. The Heavy Laser Grenadiers are equally powerful. Pit them against Allied tanks; for every hit they deal incredible damage. Sturmpionieren possess terrifying weapons to be used in the course of battle, and are fast on their feet. Leading these new troops into the fray is Lara Walter, a fearless queen of war. Shots from both of her MG 44 Zwei’s will annihilate infantry. Lara shares her fiery attitude with any squad she joins, spurring them to an effective advance.

So they are moving forward with the actual wargame version...I like it. Ill have to see how the rules work, but might be able to get on board with it.

Mr Chambers has added a few comments to the DT Facebook group. I'll paste here for your ease

Andy Chambers wrote:
The Dust Warfare rules have been developed directly from Dust Tactics so if you're familiar with the mechanics for the board game the transition to tabletop will be very straightforward. The addition of reactions and an all new turn sequence are the biggest differences between the two. As a side note I'm also a big Squad Leader fan from back in the day and I've tried to re-capture some of that feel for Dust Warfare (thought not the mechanics!).

Andy Chambers wrote: I should also add that I think the benefits of IGO UGO outweigh its detriments when balanced off by a reaction system. Have no fear, you won't be sitting on your hands during your opponent's turn.

Someone asked if the reactions were like AROs in Infinity. This is his response

Andy Chambers wrote:sort of, but not really. Units which opt to react pays one of their future actions to do so, so there's an opportunity cost to make a reaction (usually worth it, but there is a cost). Suppression also plays a role. Unless I'm reading Infinity wrong (which I may be) AROs are something you always do?

Hey can anyone here send me the link to the Facebook group for Dust Tactics?

This is awesome that Andy is actually talking about the games mechanics! It helps calm my fears lol.

The facebook group is : http://www.facebook.com/groups/303941853917/

It looks like FFG have also released a new FAQ. There's also a post detailing Dust Tactics so far as well as hints that next week at Gencon they will unveil some new walkers. There's also talk of new campaigns, new settings and new tiles to be released over the coming months too. The future is bright... the future is... dusty?

Just got an email from my FLGS that I can finally pick up my spec ops Grenadiers. No word on their Allied counterparts though.

The revised Core set rules can be found on-line: http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/dust-tactics/support/RevCore_RuleBook_v1.15.pdf

Two divisions of Hell Boys hustled down the plank off their landing craft. Deployed to the east side of the docks, they were to sweep behind the Axis walkers and launch a surgical strike on Axis command. However, Lara Walter and her Heavy Flak Grenadiers had surprises of their own in store for any Allies who sought to engage them…

Know the field of battle. Know your enemy’s limitations. The wise general prepares for battle by gaining as much intelligence as possible. Now you can learn the Dust Tactics rules of engagement from a single compiled and clarified document. The Dust Tactics: Revised Core Set rules are now available for download online (pdf, 13.7 MB) on the support page.

Full mission briefing

Experienced Dust Tactics players will find that none of the core rules have changed. The new document simply compiles and clarifies the rules from the Dust Tactics base game, Operation “Cyclone,” and Operation “SeeLöwe.” New players will find the Revised Core Set rulebook an excellent way to learn the most recent rules in one clean, concise document.

Prepare for battle with the Dust Tactics: Revised Core Set rulebook (pdf, 13.7 MB). The Revised Core Set turns the tide of battle soon, third quarter 2011.

http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2525

I only bought the original box set, after seeing these new rules, I think they shot themselves in the foot by not including all this stuff in the original game.

For example, it was pretty odd to me that the only terrain in the original set was large tiles that took up an entire square, on maps that had precious few squares. The new structure rules, apparently introduced in the latest expansion, would have made the game way more interesting, for almost no additional rules complexity.

The whole reaction fire thing is a much needed addition as well, but very risky to use. You really only want to use it if you know a squad will be wiped out before it can activate.

I have high hopes for the table top game - I hope they are realized!

No exploding 6's would be good!

BrookM wrote:The revised Core set rules can be found on-line: http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/dust-tactics/support/RevCore_RuleBook_v1.15.pdf
http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2525

Ah excellent. That was good timing as I was about to start trying to teach some friends how to play over the next few weeks. We can just start with this instead

Well, DT has exploding crosshairs with Lasers, but thats all that is exploding ruleswise .

New previews from Gencon. Originally posted by Retilebro over on the FFG forums








I think Im gonna be broke....

I'm.. not impressed, disappointed even.

Good to see an Axis and Allied hero pack though, we need those yesterday damn it.

Do want.

The revised Dust core set is now(!) available from Dustgame.com: http://www.dustgame.com/products.php?nid=13

Any word on DUST WARFARE from Gen Con?

Demo game reviews, hopefully?

The Koenigsluther is one sweet looking machine. Can't wait to get me one of those. Make it two.