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*Sigh*
Still no rumors about the missing IG wave...

Overall, the rumors sound pretty good, I really do hope they do not screw up the desing for the Chaos Dragon, because I think the concept is better suited for WHFB. The only thing bugging me is the Dark Angels. Why would they get a release, considering their Codex is still entirely usable, if not dull? Then again, after reading the BRB, it seems they are GW's new posterboys.

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:*Sigh*
Still no rumors about the missing IG wave...

Overall, the rumors sound pretty good, I really do hope they do not screw up the desing for the Chaos Dragon, because I think the concept is better suited for WHFB. The only thing bugging me is the Dark Angels. Why would they get a release, considering their Codex is still entirely usable, if not dull? Then again, after reading the BRB, it seems they are GW's new posterboys.

Thank god they are not giving any more love to the already bloated loyalist range.
I for one am still really hoping that the rumored CSM book release is on track but the rumor sound great. Love that defiler are getting a boost. those things are awesome. If plague marines go up in price but get poison, i will be ok with that too as long as they dont get too expensive. Frankly i am getting uber pumped on all the demon engine rumors. Pictures please.

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:*Sigh*
Still no rumors about the missing IG wave...

Overall, the rumors sound pretty good, I really do hope they do not screw up the desing for the Chaos Dragon, because I think the concept is better suited for WHFB. The only thing bugging me is the Dark Angels. Why would they get a release, considering their Codex is still entirely usable, if not dull? Then again, after reading the BRB, it seems they are GW's new posterboys.

I know you're a BT player, so really you do deserve updating first, but DA, on the loyalist marine side, are genuinely just C:SM but worse. At least BT still have some nasty tricks, everything DA can do that isn't all-termi can be done better by C:SM. They really need their update before BT.

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:*Sigh*
Still no rumors about the missing IG wave...

You mean the plastic Hydra and Stormtroopers that have been rumored since Planetstrike? Don't hold your breath.

There go my hopes of finally playing my thousand sons.

Thanks for that list pretre

I have read 2 magic things there!

Plastic plaguebearers and plastic nurglings I think its time to open my wallet to GW again... Its been a long time but hopefully worth the wait.
The current nurgle lord in plastic is also on the magic cards...

No prob, although I'm just a reposter.

Cerebrium wrote:

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:*Sigh*
Still no rumors about the missing IG wave...

Overall, the rumors sound pretty good, I really do hope they do not screw up the desing for the Chaos Dragon, because I think the concept is better suited for WHFB. The only thing bugging me is the Dark Angels. Why would they get a release, considering their Codex is still entirely usable, if not dull? Then again, after reading the BRB, it seems they are GW's new posterboys.

I know you're a BT player, so really you do deserve updating first, but DA, on the loyalist marine side, are genuinely just C:SM but worse. At least BT still have some nasty tricks, everything DA can do that isn't all-termi can be done better by C:SM. They really need their update before BT.

I agree. We BT players can still offer a solid fight to our opponents, with our unique drop pod rules and everything, not to mention we are even distinctive looking compared to normal Marines. I didn't mean to sound like I was whining about you getting a release first, sorry if it sounded like that. I agree about DA being horribly dull and similar to regular SMs right now. In fact most DA players I know simply use C:SM with DA models. You do need an update as soon as possible, if not for anything else than to be more distinctive from C:SM.

I am also happy with BT, I just want new models for them

edit: Oh and more stories.

Somewhat mixed feelings on the CSM rumors.

I'm cool with cult troops being elites and having an HQ unlock a specific version as troops. It would be cool is Abaddon however could have up to one unit of each cult troops are regular troops;scoring units, given his Warmaster status.

Not sure about the whole CC Obliterator idea. Is it the same FOC slot? Doesn't it share functionality with regular terminators? Also, being able to swap between firepower options seems to be -way- more useful than just swapping between power fists, power weapons and mauls, especially given the low number of attacks the CC oblits will be getting.

I also like the Hatred rule for loyalist marines. It only makes sense, since they both have been on the other side (and thus know tactics, ship layouts and whatnot) but are pretty much given by their sheer hatred of that side.

Soulfire seems rather weak for Thousand Sons, though. Holding my judgement until I see if they still keep sorcerers in every unit, how much they cost and what else they get.

Never refusing challenges sort of makes sense, but it seems to abusable. I can imagine Mephiston just hopping from unit to unit taking away all of your power fists...

The EotG table is the thing that gives me cold sweats, though. GW will not abandon their lottery theory of game design. At least for non-imperial armies, mind. I can foresee many instances of "Kharn killed the enemy Librarian! Khorne rewards him with Spawndom!" on the horizon.

I don't like the idea of Hatred vs Space Marines; surely Space Marines should have it vs Chaos Space Marines also?

Obviously game-wise, loyalists don't exactly need a boost, but it's fair and logical IMHO.

Just Dave wrote:I don't like the idea of Hatred vs Space Marines; surely Space Marines should have it vs Chaos Space Marines also?

Obviously game-wise, loyalists don't exactly need a boost, but it's fair and logical IMHO.

I think Chaos gets the upper hand on this one, spending 10,000 years hating on Space Marines. Such haters.

The ability to take cults as troops with a non-unique warlord makes me happy. I didn't want every Berserker list to be Kharne and friends!

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:
I agree. We BT players can still offer a solid fight to our opponents, with our unique drop pod rules and everything,

I'm going a little off-topic here, but what unique drop pod rules are you talking about?

About Hatred to loyalist marines...



They deserve it!!!!

But, wait a moment, if CSM hate every kind of SM, that implies that Black Templars have two haters: CSM and GW itself!

Sephyr wrote:
Not sure about the whole CC Obliterator idea. Is it the same FOC slot? Doesn't it share functionality with regular terminators? Also, being able to swap between firepower options seems to be -way- more useful than just swapping between power fists, power weapons and mauls, especially given the low number of attacks the CC oblits will be getting.

...

Soulfire seems rather weak for Thousand Sons, though.

1) What makes you think the unit devoted to CC will have a low number of base attacks? I'd reckon they will have a high # of base attacks, being CC focused and all. Stats similar to thunderwolf cavalry. Except with jump terminator armor. Morphing TH/SS, or dual lightning claws on the fly.

2) So Thousand sons getting an extra rule is weak? wut? Now their guns are AP3 AND they have the soulfire rule... I dont see how that's weak... unless it is meant to replace the AP3 and not be in addition to it

Enigwolf wrote:

Just Dave wrote:I don't like the idea of Hatred vs Space Marines; surely Space Marines should have it vs Chaos Space Marines also?

Obviously game-wise, loyalists don't exactly need a boost, but it's fair and logical IMHO.

I think Chaos gets the upper hand on this one, spending 10,000 years hating on Space Marines. Such haters.

That's true, but loyalists have the damage to their image/honour. Whereas Chaos don't care for no image/honour.

So you won't need special chars to unlock Cult Troops? That's a bullet dodged...


And that's a lot of plastic for the daemons. Even the Nurglings! Colour me surprised.

Just Dave wrote:

Enigwolf wrote:

Just Dave wrote:I don't like the idea of Hatred vs Space Marines; surely Space Marines should have it vs Chaos Space Marines also?

Obviously game-wise, loyalists don't exactly need a boost, but it's fair and logical IMHO.

I think Chaos gets the upper hand on this one, spending 10,000 years hating on Space Marines. Such haters.

That's true, but loyalists have the damage to their image/honour. Whereas Chaos don't care for no image/honour.

I think it's a matter of focus. Loyalist marines certainly hate the traitors, but they also hate eldar, mutants, orks, necrons, tyranids, random xenos and in some cases even the high lords of Terra.

Chaos marines' main hat is that they hate the imperium and want to be the dagger at its heart. They will fight the other faction with no shortage of spite, mind, but it's the Aquila that they ritually desecrate at every opportunity. Also, they do have some inside knowledge of loyalist strategy, equipment and so on that gives them an edge.

H.B.M.C. wrote:So you won't need special chars to unlock Cult Troops? That's a bullet dodged...


And that's a lot of plastic for the daemons. Even the Nurglings! Colour me surprised.

Surprised and happy here. I'm looking forward to August. My birthday came late this year

Sephyr wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

Enigwolf wrote:

Just Dave wrote:I don't like the idea of Hatred vs Space Marines; surely Space Marines should have it vs Chaos Space Marines also?

Obviously game-wise, loyalists don't exactly need a boost, but it's fair and logical IMHO.

I think Chaos gets the upper hand on this one, spending 10,000 years hating on Space Marines. Such haters.

That's true, but loyalists have the damage to their image/honour. Whereas Chaos don't care for no image/honour.

I think it's a matter of focus. Loyalist marines certainly hate the traitors, but they also hate eldar, mutants, orks, necrons, tyranids, random xenos and in some cases even the high lords of Terra.

Chaos marines' main hat is that they hate the imperium and want to be the dagger at its heart. They will fight the other faction with no shortage of spite, mind, but it's the Aquila that they ritually desecrate at every opportunity. Also, they do have some inside knowledge of loyalist strategy, equipment and so on that gives them an edge.

I'm pretty sure there is something in the Space Marine codex that says that the very existance of Chaos Marines is a blemish on their honor and therefore seek any opertunity to eradicate them.

I think this is just hopful thinking that since GK got to bone CSM with auto wins for so long that their are people hoping they get to bone them back.

Added Faeit212's explanation of why Chaos isn't this month to the OP.

The hints concerning the 5+ invulnerable for units like the Defiler are really interesting. 18 ML shots by MEQ on average to kill it by glancing to death. Thats pretty survivable and given the rumor that they can heal themselves. I am super glad that i got a second defiler in the mail today.

Woot. still excited about the upcoming releases. Death to the loyalists.

kronk wrote:The ability to take cults as troops with a non-unique warlord makes me happy. I didn't want every Berserker list to be Kharne and friends!

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:
I agree. We BT players can still offer a solid fight to our opponents, with our unique drop pod rules and everything,

I'm going a little off-topic here, but what unique drop pod rules are you talking about?

Drop Pod Assault, which allows half of our Pods to arrive simultaneously.

Not terribly excited about the EotG table or having to accept challenges. Having to accept challenges certainly could force you into a bad situation with an aspiring champ being forced to fight some uber CC character. And a random table with 60 results? Could be interesting, but my initial response is that Chaos doesn't need more random crap in their book.

You can't have exactly 60 options randomly generated on D6 by my reckoning (closest I can reckon is 66, roll d6 for list and 2d6 for options) so there is hope for some element of choice.

azreal13 wrote:You can't have exactly 60 options randomly generated on D6 by my reckoning (closest I can reckon is 66, roll d6 for list and 2d6 for options) so there is hope for some element of choice.

If this 60+options thing is real, I think there may be one table for each chais deity, plus one for Undivided. 5 times 2d6 options, and you're in the ballpark.

Noisy_Marine wrote:And a random table with 60 results?

It's 6th Ed! Random = FUN (apparently).

The most you could reasonably have on 2d6 is 36 where one die gives 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 and the other 1-6. You could get more on the chart if there is some shennanigans with different situations and marks giving bonuses to different dies. Where certain situations give you bonuses or minuses to each die.


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Sephyr wrote:If this 60+options thing is real, I think there may be one table for each chais deity, plus one for Undivided. 5 times 2d6 options, and you're in the ballpark.

this sounds the most likely. 11x5=55.

So what's left to be released for Daemons after these two waves.

I'm counting the Exalted seeker as the Herald of Slannesh for now. Which leaves

Hearld of Nurgle
Skarbrand
Ku'Gath, the Plaguefather

A bit odd leaving the range short by three models.

I added the Chaos Daemon news and rumours to the Fantasy rumour thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/461735.page because that's where they come from. And I think one thread is too big to cover the Chaos Daemon AND the CSM rumours that have nothing to do with each other (I also tried to make a separate Daemon thread but it was closed). Changing the topic of this thread every second day is also not helpful IMHO.

Anyway here some CSM rumours:

Erazmuz_M_Wattle wrote:No flying mechanical dragon in this release I'm afraid. It sounded good but it's not in the White Dwarf. I don't have it by the way. I just know people who have.
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I can back Hastings up somewhat here. My moles in GW reported that there was a new close combat unit. Like cc obliterators. Both builds looked lovely. I've been informed that they are going to be two to a box. This reminds me if an older rumour that they'd go up to a squad size of six. It seems odd for two to a box with the current size of three.

The dark apostle is very nice.

As for the dread I've heard nothing.

Neko wrote:The Dragon is an October release alongside the CSM codex. Sorry guys.

75hastings69 wrote:I'll add that if I were still collecting I'd be happy with some of this stuff.
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My understanding is the Obliterators are a new plastic kit that includes the CC mauler variant options.
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I refuse to comment about finecrap - in my world it doesn't exist! (there are obviously characters too, and they're I'm finecrap! - iirc new Kharn the betrayer is one of them)
The Centauroid weapon things are for the CSM range and as such aren't a hellcannon (also hellcannons aren't Centauroid they're just big cannons, Centauroid usually refers to four (or more) legged with an addition of a torso & arms etc.

BTW the BOK quote in the first post has some important omissions:
1.) They state the original source being Skcuzzlebumm of the first part of the rumours (the one with the comments)
2.) These two tidbits are missing (BoK comments in italics)

-Release date: September 1st (my guess as well)
-Hard back (my guess as well)

Oh, and the end of the rumour post is obviously clipped off:

Wait, no I just remembered something…

Warlords Cometh
If you are currently complaining about Warlord traits being too random well play that violin some more. GW really wants you to use them! The CSM codex has it’s own Warlord chart, but the big announcement is some characters have specific Warlord Traits! These are built into the cost of the model, so no taking them out!