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**Warhams-77**

Talys, why are you repeating all we had already found out and also spread so much confusion

There has been an english translation of another article in WD that told us about the Deathwing Strike Force and Ravenwing Strike Force. Maybe you could verify that, but it is clear (as much as GW gives away - so that is relative at the moment) there are 3 core detachments in the codex. The Lion's Blade is only one of them

**Talys**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Talys, why are you repeating all we had already found out and also spread so much confusion There has been an english translation of another article in WD that told us about the Deathwing Strike Force and Ravenwing Strike Force. Maybe you could verify that, but it is clear (as much as GW gives away - so that is relative at the moment) there are 3 core detachments in the codex. The Lion's Blade is only one of them

I'm not totally sure that the translation means you can choose from 3 cores to a Decurion type army (I have read the damned text 4 times now). Here is the English page that you refer to that makes it easier to understand.

When I first read this, I thought "why not build a force based around one of the other detachments in the codex" meant that you could use other Detachments other than a Battle Company (but not get the Decurion type bonus... whatever that may be). Then after I looked back at what you said, I thought, maybe it meant, you could pick from 3 cores, and it could mean that, I guess. I reread it a few times, and I'm still not positive.

Why: in a Gladius, for instance, you could "build a force based around the 1st company task force". Just take a 1st company task force, armored task force, and 10th company task force -- totally legit, just 3 detachments, no Decurion type bonus.

In other words:

Possibility #1 - there are 3 types of cores you can pick from (part of Decurion, yay)
Possibility #2 - there are 2 more strike forces that are just detachments/formations based on ravenwing and deathwing auxiliaries already shown, possibly with some leader unit thrown in (ie not Decurion).

In support of possibility #2 - there is 1/2 page each (really just 2 paragraphs of text) on Deathwing Company and Ravenwing Company. But they just talk about DW and RW a little. Whereas in Lion's Blade is a few pages long and has many photos, plus talks about "the ultimate expression of adaptability" and "incredible flexibility" and all that. You know, the same kind of stuff they say about Gladius and War Host.

Sorry I caused confusion :(

PS - I don't like using "Decurion" but typing "Core-Command-Auxiliary Detachment" is too long at midnight

**Anpu42**

Talys wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
Talys, why are you repeating all we had already found out and also spread so much confusion There has been an english translation of another article in WD that told us about the Deathwing Strike Force and Ravenwing Strike Force. Maybe you could verify that, but it is clear (as much as GW gives away - so that is relative at the moment) there are 3 core detachments in the codex. The Lion's Blade is only one of them

I'm not totally sure that the translation means you can choose from 3 cores to a Decurion type army (I have read the damned text 4 times now). Here is the English page that you refer to that makes it easier to understand.

When I first read this, I thought "why not build a force based around one of the other detachments in the codex" meant that you could use other Detachments other than a Battle Company (but not get the Decurion type bonus... whatever that may be). Then after I looked back at what you said, I thought, maybe it meant, you could pick from 3 cores, and it could mean that, I guess. I reread it a few times, and I'm still not positive.

Why: in a Gladius, for instance, you could "build a force based around the 1st company task force". Just take a 1st company task force, armored task force, and 10th company task force -- totally legit, just 3 detachments, no Decurion type bonus.

In other words:

Possibility #1 - there are 3 types of cores you can pick from (part of Decurion, yay)
Possibility #2 - there are 2 more strike forces that are just detachments/formations based on ravenwing and deathwing auxiliaries already shown, possibly with some leader unit thrown in (ie not Decurion).

In support of possibility #2 - there is 1/2 page each (really just 2 paragraphs of text) on Deathwing Company and Ravenwing Company. But they just talk about DW and RW a little. Whereas in Lion's Blade is a few pages long and has many photos, plus talks about "the ultimate expression of adaptability" and "incredible flexibility" and all that. You know, the same kind of stuff they say about Gladius and War Host.

Sorry I caused confusion :(

PS - I don't like using "Decurion" but typing "Core-Command-Auxiliary Detachment" is too long at midnight

How about C-CAD

**Talys**

Clever!

Maybe CCA Detachment?

**TedNugent**

Sorry, existing apocalypse formation, not a leak

Spoiler:

**Ian Sturrock**

51 terminators on the table! You won't fit that into 1850 points, or even 2000... I hope there are some DW formations that are a bit cheaper.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Almost 100% sure that's from the 6th Ed. Apocalypse book. Same page style and has the Apoc-style faction and formation type indicators at the top, instead of the 7th Ed. Formation markings (the 3 skulls forming a triangle)

**Formosa**

That's the apocalypse formation isn't it? I hope so as that many dw sqauds and knights is unusable in anything short of 3k under current costs.

**Eldar Vampire Hunter**

Spoiler:

**Formosa**

So gw apparently already have the book? According to a staff member anyway. Anyone else heard this?

**zgort**

Waiting for the codex is rough - I feel like I'm in limbo - you don't want to buy or paint anything you won't get much use out of moving forward

**Thairne**

I'm definately gonna grab some Devastators and a box of Assault Marines.
The big issue for me is... I wanna continue building the Battlescribe data file, but I need leaks for that!!!

**Kanluwen**

Formosa wrote:
So gw apparently already have the book? According to a staff member anyway. Anyone else heard this?

That would be way in advance of the usual, as they don't usually get things until the Wednesday/Thursday of the actual release.

**bullyboy**

the fact that both detachments are capitalized (Deathwing Strike Force) indicates that it is indeed a separate formation and will probably be similar to a decurion. Why have a repeat of the already shown Deathwing Redemption Force? That wouldn't make a lot of sense. I'm guessing a lot more tactical options to each one.
I'm just hoping that the current detachments have decent enough rules to make them worthwhile and not make us jealous of what regular SM can do.

**Kanluwen**

The fact that they are labeled "Detachments" suggests more that they will be akin to the Combined Arms Detachment.

**bullyboy**

Kanluwen wrote:
The fact that they are labeled "Detachments" suggests more that they will be akin to the Combined Arms Detachment.

not really as the WD indicates that you can build a demi-company or one of the other detachments, so it certainly refers to the demi company as a detachment (which it is in game terms anyway)

**Talys**

bullyboy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
The fact that they are labeled "Detachments" suggests more that they will be akin to the Combined Arms Detachment.

not really as the WD indicates that you can build a demi-company or one of the other detachments, so it certainly refers to the demi company as a detachment (which it is in game terms anyway)

I disagree -- any battle-forged, independently playable group of units is a detachment, and GW calls any tightly restricted detachment a formation. For example, the popular Flesh Tearer's Strike Force, with 1-6FA used for BA taxi service, is referred to as a detachment. Or, Baal Strike Force from Codex: Blood Angels, or Realspace Raiders Detachment from codex DE. I think this is what DA will get for DW/RW as opposed to 2 more core options.

In contrast with Angel's Fury or Kabalite Raiding Party or Skyhammwer Annihilation Force, your have much more limited unit choice options.

**Requizen**

Talys wrote:
bullyboy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
The fact that they are labeled "Detachments" suggests more that they will be akin to the Combined Arms Detachment.

not really as the WD indicates that you can build a demi-company or one of the other detachments, so it certainly refers to the demi company as a detachment (which it is in game terms anyway)

I disagree -- any battle-forged, independently playable group of units is a detachment, and GW calls any tightly restricted detachment a formation. For example, the popular Flesh Tearer's Strike Force, with 1-6FA used for BA taxi service, is referred to as a detachment. Or, Baal Strike Force from Codex: Blood Angels, or Realspace Raiders Detachment from codex DE. I think this is what DA will get for DW/RW as opposed to 2 more core options.

In contrast with Angel's Fury or Kabalite Raiding Party or Skyhammwer Annihilation Force, your have much more limited unit choice options.

The Necron Decurion, Eldar War Host, and Gladius are all called Detachments, and they haven't done a Force Org difference since Blood Angels, in lieu of doing the new Multiple Formation Detachments (MFD, it's catching on)

**Talys**

Requizen wrote:
The Necron Decurion, Eldar War Host, and Gladius are all called Detachments, and they haven't done a Force Org difference since Blood Angels, in lieu of doing the new Multiple Formation Detachments (MFD, it's catching on)

@Requizen - that's untrue. I can think of a few: Skitarii Maniple, Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation, the Khorne Daemonkin book has one where you get Battle Frenzy (I think it's called a Cult of Blood Detachment or some such), and IK have their Household & Oathsworn Detachments

**Requizen**

Talys wrote:
Requizen wrote:
The Necron Decurion, Eldar War Host, and Gladius are all called Detachments, and they haven't done a Force Org difference since Blood Angels, in lieu of doing the new Multiple Formation Detachments (MFD, it's catching on)

@Requizen - that's untrue. I can think of a few: Skitarii Maniple, Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation, the Khorne Daemonkin book has one where you get Battle Frenzy (I think it's called a Cult of Blood Detachment or some such), and IK have their Household & Oathsworn Detachments

Eh... Supplements are different in my mind. The Skitarii need one since they don't have an HQ. CM could run a CAD, but they don't have Fast Attack, so they got one without FA but with other changes. IK should be pretty obvious why they didn't go that route (nothing but LoWs). And none of those armies really had enough variety/units to do a MDF, though I assume AdMech will have one when (if) it gets a combined book.

I'm like 90% certain Daemonkin only has a MDF. I know they can run a CAD, but I don't think there's another FOC Detachment type in there. Someone with the book feel free to correct me, though.

**Talys**

Well, not really. Skitarii and Mechanicus could have had Core-Command-Auxiliary formations if GW wanted. Nothing in the Decurion/Warhost/Gladius say that you have to have an HQ. And you have Dominus.

Also, the Harlequin Masque is an alternate force org, that doesn't strictly conform to the same model.

But yeah, you're right about Khorne -- it is like a Gladius (dunno what I was thinking). One core, up to 1 command, and 1+ auxiliary (there's a max).

**Requizen**

Talys wrote:
Well, not really. Skitarii and Mechanicus could have had Core-Command-Auxiliary formations if GW wanted. Nothing in the Decurion/Warhost/Gladius say that you have to have an HQ.

Also, the Harlequin Masque is an alternate force org, that doesn't strictly conform to the same model.

They don't have Troops though. Again, armies that can't fit into a CAD are going to need a Force Org Detachment. But a full codex with multiple units in each slot? I don't see it happening given the precedent that has been set with Necrons, Daemonkin, Eldar, and Space Marines.

**Talys**

Requizen wrote:
Talys wrote:
Well, not really. Skitarii and Mechanicus could have had Core-Command-Auxiliary formations if GW wanted. Nothing in the Decurion/Warhost/Gladius say that you have to have an HQ.

Also, the Harlequin Masque is an alternate force org, that doesn't strictly conform to the same model.

They don't have Troops though. Again, armies that can't fit into a CAD are going to need a Force Org Detachment. But a full codex with multiple units in each slot? I don't see it happening given the precedent that has been set with Necrons, Daemonkin, Eldar, and Space Marines.

Cult Mechanicus has both troops and HQ by the way. I also do not think we're going to see a force org diagram for a detachment inside Codex Dark Angels for the Deathwing Strike Force.

However, I don't think it's a Core choice. Instead, I think it will just be a formation with a lot of flexibility, like the Flesh Tearer's Strike Force.

I do not think that going forward, anything with flexibility in force organization must be a core, command, or auxiliary choice. They'll just be "more flexible formations" aka detachments (or whatever, the terminology is inconsistent and sucks). In fairness, 1st Company Task Force gives a lot of flexibility. I was thinking the DW strike force would look like that -- but be neither an auxiliary or command. It would be more like Skyhammer -- you bolt it on to whatever else you want to play.

**Requizen**

Talys wrote:
Requizen wrote:
Talys wrote:
Well, not really. Skitarii and Mechanicus could have had Core-Command-Auxiliary formations if GW wanted. Nothing in the Decurion/Warhost/Gladius say that you have to have an HQ.

Also, the Harlequin Masque is an alternate force org, that doesn't strictly conform to the same model.

They don't have Troops though. Again, armies that can't fit into a CAD are going to need a Force Org Detachment. But a full codex with multiple units in each slot? I don't see it happening given the precedent that has been set with Necrons, Daemonkin, Eldar, and Space Marines.

Cult Mechanicus has both troops and HQ by the way. I also do not think we're going to see a force org diagram for a detachment inside Codex Dark Angels for the Deathwing Strike Force.

However, I don't think it's a Core choice. Instead, I think it will just be a formation with a lot of flexibility, like the Flesh Tearer's Strike Force.

I do not think that going forward, anything with flexibility in force organization must be a core, command, or auxiliary choice. They'll just be "more flexible formations" aka detachments.

Yeah, I'm not sure how it'll work. I guess we'll find out relatively soon!

**Formosa**

So j was told one of the bonuss of the dw detachment is that they can shoot then run in the shooting phase, anyone else heard this?

**warboss**

Formosa wrote:
So j was told one of the bonuss of the dw detachment is that they can shoot then run in the shooting phase, anyone else heard this?

inb4 "everything you have been told is a lie" Inquisitor quote.

**Formosa**

Yeah I'm skeptical too haha, as it's a "staff member" there always reliable yeah? Yeah!

**Leth**

Well I know that here in China they get a solid month of releases with each shipment instead of every week. So while they don't tell us anything it is possible for a staffer to have access. I am sure they do the same for other countries where it is not efficienct to have a weekly distribution

**Slayer-Fan123**

So do we have basically nothing in terms of rules, rumor-wise? Pretty disappointing.

**Brillow80**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So do we have basically nothing in terms of rules, rumor-wise? Pretty disappointing.

Well the Unforgiven are known for keeping...

...secrets.