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 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Tau won't get a faction -1 to hit. They already have stealth suits and ghostkeels for that sort of thing. My guess is they get things more like guard. Fall back and fire, ignore -1 ap yada yada.

I suppose that means the first sept they leak will be -1 to hit though

Naw, they will give them -2 to hit. Because Tau.

Ghostkeels already have -2 to Hit. Their Stealth Drones give them it...

So they will have a -4 to hit total. What's your point?

 Mr Morden wrote:
I'd love for them to include more background info and quotes form the novels but thats sadly unlikely.

Farsight novel was great for this - enjoyed Farsight commenting on how stupid marines were for not wearing helmets

I really, really, really hope they don't. Farsight novels were garbage (and I don't say this lightly) filled with lore-breaking things (like Tau having riptides before first contact with Imperium, or everyone ignoring obvious Tau daemonhost despite him openly using magic (!), said everyone including psyker Inquisitor (!!!) who apparently had no idea what a daemon is...) and marines behaving like two year old children in order for the Tau to win (like chief librarian trying to abandon his chapter master to death out of spite his advice was ignored, or said chapter master being accompanied by 'honour guard' which was really a company command squad, armed identically as the minis in SM box, down to banner bearer trying to melee the Tau with banner pole as the mini doesn't have any weapons and the author couldn't conceive him grabbing one, or remembering actual honor guard is a thing...)

Even the scene with lack of helmets was comical, because the SM involved were terminators. And the Tau kill them by shooting them from above. Maybe someone should show Phil Kelly actual terminator mini and point out they actually have thick plate above their heads?

Sadly, Phil Kelly is chief background writer these days so of course his books showing less adherence to past canon than fanfiction will be included and enshrined

Oh wow, that's almost Goto-level fluff assault

Farsight is the worst thing that happened to the Tau Empire Lore. He is to the Tau Empire what the Tau Empire is to the Imperium, but it does it in a "look I'm cool and have a giant katana!" way. It makes the Tau Empire redundant.

His only way to look good is to make the Tau Empire look horrible. Forever gone was this idea about the Tau Empire being an autocratic but more bright alternative to the human Imperium. Now Ethereals are just genocidical and moustache twirling villains. Gone is the gray lore about what are really the intentions of the Ethereals and if they are bad with a sinister plan, or are good buth do what has to be done to thrive, etc...
Farsight is so pure even Salamanders whipe tears of joy because how cool and good he is.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Ghostkeels already have -2 to Hit. Their Stealth Drones give them it...

and then another -1 for the sept bonus (and -1 from a new warlord trait, not to mention -1 from a relic (well, probably more an Experimental System for Tau)...)

Don't forget that they will somehow be the only ones allowed to use more than one relic per character, since they aren't called Relics.

I'm sure the wording will be the same as with other books, relics or prototypes or biomorphs or whatever.

 BrookM wrote:
I'm sure the wording will be the same as with other books, relics or prototypes or biomorphs or whatever.

I mean, you remember 7th right, where Tau players argued that they were not effected by the FAQ ruling on one Relic per character?

Then GW decided to agree with them?

 BrookM wrote:
I'm sure the wording will be the same as with other books, relics or prototypes or biomorphs or whatever.

Lets hope so

The white dwarf hint for next month is "ancient evils". I think necrons and dark Eldar fit that bill pretty well. We will probably see one of them in the second half of March.

Hey! Necrons aren't evil! We're just trying to rid the galaxy of all of you inferior biologicals while experimenting on you to see who would make the best candidates to transfer our race's collective consciousness into. What's wrong with that?

We True Kin are not evil, you lower life forms just don't understand our greatness yet.

To be honest compared to most of the races in to 40k the Necrons are downright good guys.

Well some of them.

 EnTyme wrote:
Hey! Necrons aren't evil! We're just trying to rid the galaxy of all of you inferior biologicals while experimenting on you to see who would make the best candidates to transfer our race's collective consciousness into. What's wrong with that?

Yeah, not our fault you organics are a bunch of chaotic primitives. I mean, we've been absent for what, just a few ten thousand years, and look what mess the galaxy is in. Chaos everywhere, its disgusting. Back in our day, the only thing chaotic was when a transistor was 0.00000001 nano meters out of place.

 Galas wrote:
Farsight is the worst thing that happened to the Tau Empire Lore. He is to the Tau Empire what the Tau Empire is to the Imperium, but it does it in a "look I'm cool and have a giant katana!" way. It makes the Tau Empire redundant.

His only way to look good is to make the Tau Empire look horrible. Forever gone was this idea about the Tau Empire being an autocratic but more bright alternative to the human Imperium. Now Ethereals are just genocidical and moustache twirling villains. Gone is the gray lore about what are really the intentions of the Ethereals and if they are bad with a sinister plan, or are good buth do what has to be done to thrive, etc...
Farsight is so pure even Salamanders whipe tears of joy because how cool and good he is.

Wait, so Farsight is no longer the more brutish and bloody minded Tau renegade commander who broke off from the Tau Empire to merc out his men to the highest bidder (except Orks)?

When the hell did this change? Why did they make Farsight an Ultramarine? The Farsight Enclaves were supposed to be the Tau baddie faction dang it.

Here are some White Dwarf links I found on AdvancedTauTactica that I had not seen posted here in English yet. Pretty general stuff, but the second one does mention a STR 14 weapon.

http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1519644094293.jpg

http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1519645447562.jpg

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
Here are some White Dwarf links I found on AdvancedTauTactica that I had not seen posted here in English yet. Pretty general stuff, but the second one does mention a STR 14 weapon.

Spoiler:

I gave those images the proper image tags and put them into spoilers.

The Strength 14 is on the Pulse Blastcannon for the Stormsurge.
Fail-Safe Detonator is back as a Stratagem.
Focused Fire is a Stratagem.
Uplinked Markerlight is still there(this is the Chapter Approved one).
"Recon Sweep" sounds interesting.

I am thinking Recon Sweep may be a way to remove negative hit modifiers on units.

Also, thanks for updating the links.

 dan2026 wrote:
To be honest compared to most of the races in to 40k the Necrons are downright good guys.

Well some of them.

Try to get a Necron Warrior as a pen friend.

Ha - Tau Weakness - Close Combat “If your fighting Tau, charge with your melee units and enjoy”

Yeah, if you survive the Overwatch bludgeoning...

 Stormonu wrote:
Ha - Tau Weakness - Close Combat “If your fighting Tau, charge with your melee units and enjoy”

Yeah, if you survive the Overwatch bludgeoning...

Yeah on sixes though isn't that scary, the hard part will be getting to them alive.

 Stormonu wrote:
Ha - Tau Weakness - Close Combat “If your fighting Tau, charge with your melee units and enjoy”

Yeah, if you survive the Overwatch bludgeoning...

In a tournament this Sunday I vaporized a Belial that charged my tactical squad with a Lasscannon that did to him 6 damage.

In 8th you have a ton of first turn assault charges that can wreck and gunline. Only the very very OP shooting armies are capable of making people cry "Omg meele sucks its impossible". Most other shooting armies need counter-charge units (something Tau lack), a ton of bubble wrap (Because bubble wrap is usefull if your firepower is so great you can destroy your opponent, if your alpha strike power is more normal, the opponent has plenty of time to destroy it. And thats not a bad thing, it offers counter play, etc... just saying), etc...
Tau Overwatch is very limited in 8th, lets see how much they buff it. Thats the problem with Tau, they lack any kind of Psychic and Meele capabilities. That makes you need to balance it all around shooting. With the inherently advantages of shooting over meele. Thast why you don't have the same problem with Khorne.

So how much change from the Index do you think we will see for T'au? Should those who have bought T'au wait before they start building?

No Tau dice? Did I miss it anywhere?

 Togusa wrote:
So how much change from the Index do you think we will see for T'au? Should those who have bought T'au wait before they start building?

Well, the article above does mention some strategms with Overwatch will be coming, so I expect we’ll see a doubling-down on the worth of Fire Warriors (on various fronts). The question is what will be done for suits? I doubt it will be to a degree that will make competative gamers happy, myself.

I’d definately hold on buying or building until the codex comes out - there’s just no sure-fire way to know what will flip in the current Tau meta to become glaringly must-have. Even then it’ll take a few weeks to shake out what is better in actual practice vs. theory.

 Togusa wrote:
So how much change from the Index do you think we will see for T'au? Should those who have bought T'au wait before they start building?

TBH unless the kit is a mono build with no unit options I'd advise anyone with unbuilt models to wait until there factions codex drops before building anything.

What could this be? Creative freedom? Or something else?


And... I'm sure the "omg tau don't fit GW!" are gonna be pleased with this. Yeah, not like actual fans of the faction are the ones you should try to writte fluff about... write fluff trying to please the haters.

plasma cannon broadside?

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So how much change from the Index do you think we will see for T'au? Should those who have bought T'au wait before they start building?

TBH unless the kit is a mono build with no unit options I'd advise anyone with unbuilt models to wait until there factions codex drops before building anything.

Magnets are your friends when it comes to Tau models. Especially the suits. As for whether or not the battlesuits will be good or not, who can say at this point?

 Galas wrote:


What could this be? Creative freedom? Or something else?


And... I'm sure the "omg tau don't fit GW!" are gonna be pleased with this. Yeah, not like actual fans of the faction are the ones you should try to writte fluff about... write fluff trying to please the haters.

Spoiler:

Whats going on in that second image, the tau can't really use the warp, so webways, or another race with the ability to travel the galaxy instantly