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tneva82 wrote:
Gw hasnjt flooded market with too many necrons. Whole polnt of limited is to avoid that so that they can sell new necrons at full price rather than discount.

If the box would not be limited then they would saturate market with those models making selling of full price kits hard

You miss the point. Necrons are much less popular than Space Marines, and the rules have been weak from what I read on here. GW wants to pick up their sales, maybe by having them as this edition's big bad. But how many to make? How to manage the risk? The company could lose millions!

When they do it this way, it doesn't matter. Bundle them with marines, tell people there's a short window to get the deal of the century. GW makes a profit at no risk to themselves. Would the necrons have sold anyway? Who cares! Probably all those cheap warriors will persuade people to buy full-price kits to support them and start an army. It is, after all, a lot of product for the money - even I'm tempted now.

The styrene in these kits has virtually NO intrinsic value, and its availability is ONLY limited by what GW wants to make. If GW wants to sell you the first 500-1000 points of an army for peanuts, they can do that. It's not GW undercutting itself, or stopping future sales, if an army isn't selling. Buying a couple of extra units for your new Necron army will pay for what it cost them to make!

Future sales? If stories of 150,000 sales are true, GW's customers just spend $30 million USD on Indomitus, of which maybe £10 million was effectively spent on Necrons. I can't imagine GW are unhappy with that.

I can see some of these ending up in a Start Collecting set, while others like the Assault Intercessors get a full release for the full range of weapons options.

I mean, GW say nothing about costs, and never will. Maybe they are using Indomitus as a loss-leader to offset against future sales, but they don't seem like that kind of (or big enough) company. I'm making the assumption that they're making a profit on the set.

"Sales are vanity, profit is sanity, and cold, hard cash in your hand is king."

* That’s what you get when you don’t set your alarm properly. They literally trolling the thousands of people who missed out.

 Dysartes wrote:


I'm not certain where this "we've made enough for everyone" idea comes from, as every WHC article I've looked at discussing the contents of the box makes it very clear it is a limited run product.

So, tell me again, Icegoat - how were they lying?

they did say 'you'll be able to get one if you want one' (not sure thats verbatim, but to that effect) in one of the early twitch streams

I'm not saying that GW customers are drooling idiots. We're dealing with a very savvy company that understands its product, and also what its market wants and will pay. GW is using every trick in the book to minimise risk to itself. That leaves customers feeling used and disappointed.

Ultimately (with no ill-will towards GW), if we want the market to change from constant hype, and many customers feeling dissatisfied and left out, only the customers saying "no" will have any effect.

Icegoat wrote:
* That’s what you get when you don’t set your alarm properly. They literally trolling the thousands of people who missed out.

Yep. The necrons waking up to a galaxy full of younger races that they need to conquer is exactly like not preordering a boxed set. They've certainly got your number.

 Shooter wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


I'm not certain where this "we've made enough for everyone" idea comes from, as every WHC article I've looked at discussing the contents of the box makes it very clear it is a limited run product.

So, tell me again, Icegoat - how were they lying?

they did say 'you'll be able to get one if you want one' (not sure thats verbatim, but to that effect) in one of the early twitch streams

twas indeed naugthy of them to omit that whole "with a bit of thinking and forward planning" from the end of that sentence as its clearly befuddled some

Icegoat wrote:
* That’s what you get when you don’t set your alarm properly. They literally trolling the thousands of people who missed out.

What're you babbling on about now?

 Momotaro wrote:
I'm not saying that GW customers are drooling idiots. We're dealing with a very savvy company that understands its product, and also what its market wants and will pay. GW is using every trick in the book to minimise risk to itself. That leaves customers feeling used and disappointed.

Ultimately (with no ill-will towards GW), if we want the market to change from constant hype, and many customers feeling dissatisfied and left out, only the customers saying "no" will have any effect.

No, plenty of ill will to GW. Just because that's how companies in general operate doesn't make it acceptable. How can we have a proper healthy capitalist society when companies spend so much time bending all the power towards themselves?

Icegoat wrote:
* That’s what you get when you don’t set your alarm properly. They literally trolling the thousands of people who missed out.

Again, feth it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKzt7p-MnM


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stratigo wrote:

 Momotaro wrote:
I'm not saying that GW customers are drooling idiots. We're dealing with a very savvy company that understands its product, and also what its market wants and will pay. GW is using every trick in the book to minimise risk to itself. That leaves customers feeling used and disappointed.

Ultimately (with no ill-will towards GW), if we want the market to change from constant hype, and many customers feeling dissatisfied and left out, only the customers saying "no" will have any effect.

No, plenty of ill will to GW. Just because that's how companies in general operate doesn't make it acceptable. How can we have a proper healthy capitalist society when companies spend so much time bending all the power towards themselves?

You sweet summer child with ribbons in your hair.

 Dysartes wrote:

Icegoat wrote:
* That’s what you get when you don’t set your alarm properly. They literally trolling the thousands of people who missed out.

What're you babbling on about now?

The new necron lore article on WarCom. There's an asterisk (the bit about the alarm) about them going into stasis and waking up to a galaxy full of other races when the necrons expected them all to die.

Icegoat has... somehow... decided that's a taunt against anyone who tried and failed to pre-order an Indomitus box.
Its the kind of reach that would make Stretch Armstrong re-evaluate his life.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Icegoat wrote:
* That’s what you get when you don’t set your alarm properly. They literally trolling the thousands of people who missed out.

Again, feth it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKzt7p-MnM


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stratigo wrote:

 Momotaro wrote:
I'm not saying that GW customers are drooling idiots. We're dealing with a very savvy company that understands its product, and also what its market wants and will pay. GW is using every trick in the book to minimise risk to itself. That leaves customers feeling used and disappointed.

Ultimately (with no ill-will towards GW), if we want the market to change from constant hype, and many customers feeling dissatisfied and left out, only the customers saying "no" will have any effect.

No, plenty of ill will to GW. Just because that's how companies in general operate doesn't make it acceptable. How can we have a proper healthy capitalist society when companies spend so much time bending all the power towards themselves?

You sweet summer child with ribbons in your hair.

Don't accept so easily the failings of a company

Like you’ve no idea how capitalism actually works.

Silly you.

Please stop cluttering up the thread with personal attacks on people you disagree with. It just creates work for the mods who have to delete your posts, when really you should be grown-up enough to avoid making them in the first place.

Back on topic, the thing about not setting your alarm clock was obviously written ages ago. It's insensitive and a typical GW own-goal that they didn't take it out in light of what happened yesterday, but it obviously isn't a taunt.

Removed - Rule # 1 please

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


3. Or is just a troll who deserves a banning as much as I do right now?

Look don't you go getting banned! I'm not holding the flag for the 80-90s nostalgia threads alone darn it!

Well, I guess we know there are even more touchy-feely people on Dakka than a few years back.

The main one that makes me chuckle is that people are crying about a company doing what it does to make cash.
It’s a company, that’s business 101.
It cares about wallets, not tears.

And for those saying the company is making bad moves, sure.
I guess GW knows nothing but still cornered the miniature market based on luck and stupidity.
Some people need to remove their heads from their arse.
GW is far from stupid.
The only stupid ones are the ones that cry about it being an evil corporation then proceed to buy from them (and complain when they can’t do so)

Are they moral? No.
Is any company moral?

Don’t expect a business to be run by a damn saint and powered by love and pixie dust.

As said, not sure what GW could have done beyond raising the price to the point where their supply matched demand.

But I don't think anyone complaining here is advocating GW should have sold the box for £250-300 or whatever they think it will consistently go for on ebay.

I guess another option would have been taking pre-orders and then saying "okay, thanks for your money, we'll get a box to you in October" and printing however many boxes they got orders for. But I'm not sure people would have been happy with that either.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

 Shooter wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


I'm not certain where this "we've made enough for everyone" idea comes from, as every WHC article I've looked at discussing the contents of the box makes it very clear it is a limited run product.

So, tell me again, Icegoat - how were they lying?

they did say 'you'll be able to get one if you want one' (not sure thats verbatim, but to that effect) in one of the early twitch streams

twas indeed naugthy of them to omit that whole "with a bit of thinking and forward planning" from the end of that sentence as its clearly befuddled some

Thinking and forward planning like being on the GW site at 10am when preorders went live, and still missing out, as many clearly did?

What they should have done is what they have done with every starter box since time immemorial and had enough product that it never sold out. Like dark imperium like soul wars. Instead just like the sob box and many others they now have thousands of their customers angered and aggrieved and they have every right to be so. GW are either totally incompetently moronic or they wilfully maliciously lied created hype and purposefully sold out in minutes. It's a disgraceful way to treat loyal customers either way.

 Shooter wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

 Shooter wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


I'm not certain where this "we've made enough for everyone" idea comes from, as every WHC article I've looked at discussing the contents of the box makes it very clear it is a limited run product.

So, tell me again, Icegoat - how were they lying?

they did say 'you'll be able to get one if you want one' (not sure thats verbatim, but to that effect) in one of the early twitch streams

twas indeed naugthy of them to omit that whole "with a bit of thinking and forward planning" from the end of that sentence as its clearly befuddled some

Thinking and forward planning like being on the GW site at 10am when preorders went live, and still missing out, as many clearly did?

I bought one at 10:05 on Goblingaming.
Turns out I still wont get one til the second wave some time in late August.
Complete insanity.

And if you think everyone there at 10am who wanted a box got a box well what can i say but you must be on Nottingham's payroll. Thousands were on the website it crashed and thousands missed out

Tyel wrote:
As said, not sure what GW could have done beyond raising the price to the point where their supply matched demand.

But I don't think anyone complaining here is advocating GW should have sold the box for £250-300 or whatever they think it will consistently go for on ebay.

I guess another option would have been taking pre-orders and then saying "okay, thanks for your money, we'll get a box to you in October" and printing however many boxes they got orders for. But I'm not sure people would have been happy with that either.

Considering how much griping people have over the "Made to Order" stuff, which is literally "we'll get this to you after we produce them"?

Yeah, a lot of the same complainers would be complaining.

mrFickle wrote:
Of course GW could stop all this with just one email. But they haven’t. Its not like they don’t access dakka and reddit etc someone in the company will be looking at these comments.

I'm completely lost at this point. What would they stop and what would they put in this magic email?

Tyel wrote:
As said, not sure what GW could have done beyond raising the price to the point where their supply matched demand.

But I don't think anyone complaining here is advocating GW should have sold the box for £250-300 or whatever they think it will consistently go for on ebay.

I guess another option would have been taking pre-orders and then saying "okay, thanks for your money, we'll get a box to you in October" and printing however many boxes they got orders for. But I'm not sure people would have been happy with that either.

honest talking about limitations and if this is a one production run thing or not, if another run comes later, giving away information if models are goind to be sold stand alone together with the Codex etc.

there is a lot GW could have done, but in the eyes of GW everything they could have done different would have hurt their sales in the long run much more (like saying that those who just want Marine models can wait for a stand alone box with the Codex, would have given away too much information and would kill impuls purchases and the one thing GW does not want is that their costumers save money for a future release)

They really could not have been more clear that the models are going to be sold as a standalone later.

 Overread wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


3. Or is just a troll who deserves a banning as much as I do right now?

Look don't you go getting banned! I'm not holding the flag for the 80-90s nostalgia threads alone darn it!

hey hey dont you forget about me, admittedly im more 70/80s as i can divide 16 Candles by 4 and end up with Handles fer forks

 Shooter wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


I'm not certain where this "we've made enough for everyone" idea comes from, as every WHC article I've looked at discussing the contents of the box makes it very clear it is a limited run product.

So, tell me again, Icegoat - how were they lying?

they did say 'you'll be able to get one if you want one' (not sure thats verbatim, but to that effect) in one of the early twitch streams

Maybe in UK or US. How many boxs people are going to get in places where stores didn't get 30 or 45 units, but 2 or 5? Sure in UK with multiple GW per every larger city, people are just going to have to settle for a non discount box. In other parts of the world, store owners my decide they would rather split the boxs and sell the the models as singles online, and tell the people at the store they didn't get any. Specialy as some stores were told there were no boxs for them.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
They really could not have been more clear that the models are going to be sold as a standalone later.

But is it going to be all of them? You still can't buy separate oblits, or gravis captin or the old ancient with banner.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They really could not have been more clear that the models are going to be sold as a standalone later.

They didn't wave banners and put out a list of future model releases with pre-sale dates, so they could have done more

But they were definitely clear that this was a while stock last sales and that the models would be available in the future. However, they seem to have missed the boat on production quantities. I'm not surprised given the target was probably set before the pandemic and people discovered they had a lot more disposable income for models when they can't go on vacation, to the movies, or the pub.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They really could not have been more clear that the models are going to be sold as a standalone later.

I don't think anyone has any doubt that they will, but the question is when. Are the Skorpekh Lord and Plasmancer going to be locked behind this box for 9 months until a standalone release?

Yes it will be all of them available.
As stated a few times by them now.


The oblits etc never had a caveat added to them stating they would be sold separate at any point.