Indomitus is going to sell out within 5 minutes

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Icegoat wrote:
And if you think everyone there at 10am who wanted a box got a box well what can i say but you must be on Nottingham's payroll. Thousands were on the website it crashed and thousands missed out

Did you.........

1. Want one in the first place.

2. Fail to get one.

3. Are just spouting faux outrage for reasons best known to yourself where 1 and 2 don’t apply?

**stratigo**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Like you’ve no idea how capitalism actually works.

Silly you.

I'll give you a secret.

It doesn't.

**Jackal90**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Icegoat wrote:
And if you think everyone there at 10am who wanted a box got a box well what can i say but you must be on Nottingham's payroll. Thousands were on the website it crashed and thousands missed out

Did you.........

1. Want one in the first place.

2. Fail to get one.

3. Are just spouting faux outrage for reasons best known to yourself where 1 and 2 don’t apply?

I’m going to go with 3 at a guess.

Also Icegoat, where are you pulling these numbers from?
I’m assuming you’ve done a poll at the very least to get what data you have?

Generally, stating facts speak volumes.
Pulling numbers out of thin air just makes people laugh and usually just click block.

Edit: as a side note, I forgot it was launch day.
Jumped on at quarter past and managed to get a box.
No delays, no issues.
I’m guessing the initial few moments were bad, but it didn’t sell out while people were locked out of the site.

**harlokin**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Icegoat wrote:
And if you think everyone there at 10am who wanted a box got a box well what can i say but you must be on Nottingham's payroll. Thousands were on the website it crashed and thousands missed out

Did you.........

1. Want one in the first place.

2. Fail to get one.

3. Are just spouting faux outrage for reasons best known to yourself where 1 and 2 don’t apply?

46 posts on the forum, every single one laden with negativity or tinfoil-hattery, including accusing the dakka mods of working for GW.

**totalfailure**

More snark from people that got a set bashing those that didn’t. How wonderful.

**yukishiro1**

It'd be really nice if people could stop attacking one another and just talk about the actual issues with the pre-order. The hater / white knight thing is so boring and tired at this point.

**Rolsheen**

Indomitus was a limited release sale box, so yeah people had to be fast to get one. GW didn't lie about any of that, they just underpriced it.
The second "wave" in August is the actual starter box being released not a reprint of Indomitus.
All the models in Indomitus will be released at a later date individually so nobody has actually missed out, their just going to have to wait.

**Blood angles commander**

If anyone in the uk is still after a box battleground gaming
Uk has a couple left in stock.

**Voss**

Rolsheen wrote:
Indomitus was a limited release sale box, so yeah people had to be fast to get one. GW didn't lie about any of that, they just underpriced it.

No. Stop. GW doesn't 'underprice' anything. Indomitus was reasonable for what was in it. Don't tell them it was underpriced.

The second "wave" in August is the actual starter box being released not a reprint of Indomitus.

What's this based on? There's been nothing about a starter set.
Anyone trying to sell a different box as Indomitus would be selling under false pretences.

All the models in Indomitus will be released at a later date individually so nobody has actually missed out, their just going to have to wait.

Maybe, maybe not.
There is a list of models that were never 'released at a later date' after appearing in a box.
It goes at least as far back as plastic deffkoptas

**Icegoat**

The models will not be getting released individually much like every starter set we will get variants of the new units featured in this box. But we definitely are not getting the exact same sculpted that are in the indomitus box just like the exclusive sculpts in the sisters box.

**Sasori**

Jackal90 wrote:
Yes it will be all of them available.
As stated a few times by them now.

The oblits etc never had a caveat added to them stating they would be sold separate at any point.

Can you post a link for this?

**Shinji**

It's completely possible for a company to make money hand over fist and treat their potential customers well.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

totalfailure wrote:
More snark from people that got a set bashing those that didn’t. How wonderful.

We don’t know OP missed out, because he won’t answer the question. We don’t even know if he wanted one in the first place.

I’m very happy to Paxman this issue.

There’s nothing in my snark about those that sadly missed out.

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Icegoat wrote:
The models will not be getting released individually much like every starter set we will get variants of the new units featured in this box. But we definitely are not getting the exact same sculpted that are in the indomitus box just like the exclusive sculpts in the sisters box.

Oh, you’re back.

Care to answer my questions.

Oh, and cite your sources.

**yukishiro1**

The set models are all push-fit, any models released separately will presumably not be, if past practice is any indication.

Now, why you would actually want the push-fit versions, I have no idea.

**Turnip Jedi**

yukishiro1 wrote:
It'd be really nice if people could stop attacking one another and just talk about the actual issues with the pre-order. The hater / white knight thing is so boring and tired at this point.

careful remember what happened to that chap that suggested how great it would be if people were nice to each other for a change

also Squats for chrimbo will get everyone back on side

**Voss**

yukishiro1 wrote:
The set models are all push-fit, any models released separately will presumably not be, if past practice is any indication.

Deathguard would like to insert some tentacles into this particular hypothetical.

A chunk of their line is still pushfits right from the box set, and a kit that only ever existed as push-fits, despite not being part of the DM starter.

**Vaktathi**

Hey all, lets tone things down and just let some things go.

**yukishiro1**

Voss wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
The set models are all push-fit, any models released separately will presumably not be, if past practice is any indication.

Deathguard would like to insert some tentacles into this particular hypothetical.

A chunk of their line is still pushfits right from the box set, and a kit that only ever existed as push-fits, despite not being part of the DM starter.

Yeah but that's because it's difficult to assemble anything but push-fit when you have tentacles instead of arms.

But seriously, I was not aware of that. I hope that doesn't mean we are going to see more push-fit becoming standard release kits.

**JohnnyHell**

yukishiro1 wrote:
The set models are all push-fit, any models released separately will presumably not be, if past practice is any indication.

Now, why you would actually want the push-fit versions, I have no idea.

Because push-fit is no longer a swear word and provides models as detailed and dynamic (if not more so in some cases) than multipart kits, this dating book to ooooh the modern incarnation of Space Hulk. And combined with the multipart kits allow for a greater overall range of poses without/with little duplication in your force. There, two reasons for you.

Honestly, pretending GW’s box minis are inherently inferior anymore is silly

**Icegoat**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
totalfailure wrote:
More snark from people that got a set bashing those that didn’t. How wonderful.

We don’t know OP missed out, because he won’t answer the question. We don’t even know if he wanted one in the first place.

I’m very happy to Paxman this issue.

There’s nothing in my snark about those that sadly missed out.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Icegoat wrote:
The models will not be getting released individually much like every starter set we will get variants of the new units featured in this box. But we definitely are not getting the exact same sculpted that are in the indomitus box just like the exclusive sculpts in the sisters box.

Oh, you’re back.

Care to answer my questions.

Oh, and cite your sources.

I said in literally the first post of this entire thread I would not be buying or even attempting to buy a copy due to GWs anti consumer disgraceful fomo hype driven way of selling products. This thread is just sour grapes at this point because I called it and all the GW fanaticals are angry I was right and their beloved masters have failed the gaming community.

**Sasori**

yukishiro1 wrote:
Voss wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
The set models are all push-fit, any models released separately will presumably not be, if past practice is any indication.

Deathguard would like to insert some tentacles into this particular hypothetical.

A chunk of their line is still pushfits right from the box set, and a kit that only ever existed as push-fits, despite not being part of the DM starter.

Yeah but that's because it's difficult to assemble anything but push-fit when you have tentacles instead of arms.

But seriously, I was not aware of that. I hope that doesn't mean we are going to see more push-fit becoming standard release kits.

Just to add to this, The Nighthaunt, which was part of the starter set for AOS 2nd Edition AOS, is almost entirely pushfit.

I think there is a good chance a lot of the models from the Necron line are going to stay pushfit. The warrior spure already comes with all the weapon options and two head options. I don't see it changing.

**Voss**

yukishiro1 wrote:
Voss wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
The set models are all push-fit, any models released separately will presumably not be, if past practice is any indication.

Deathguard would like to insert some tentacles into this particular hypothetical.

A chunk of their line is still pushfits right from the box set, and a kit that only ever existed as push-fits, despite not being part of the DM starter.

Yeah but that's because it's difficult to assemble anything but push-fit when you have tentacles instead of arms.

But seriously, I was not aware of that. I hope that doesn't mean we are going to see more push-fit becoming standard release kits.

I'd be very surprised if the necron warriors aren't sold as is. They're head and shoulders above the current kit and have a full 10 of each weapon option.
Same for the 4 characters on separate sprues.

Skorpekhs occupy a single sprue with the plasmacyte. I could see that going either way, though I personally hope for more weapon options than '1 big blade, 2 little blades'

**Isengard**

Kanluwen wrote:
They really could not have been more clear that the models are going to be sold as a standalone later.

Not to me, given that I know the price I could have got them for in Indomitus then I will literally crawl through broken glass before I pay GW one single penny more for them. Even if I needed them desperately for some army I simply will not under any circumstances buy models at full retail that have been sold cheaper in boxed sets. I either buy the set of I miss out, the only exception is when they appear on eBay say. Usually you can get them off eBay if you miss out on the set. This time there is zero, nada, zip, nowt, no way on God's earth I am paying anything more than a tiny fraction more for them second hand. That means, and I fully understand this, that I will never have the primaris half of this box. I want it but if costs me a penny more than whatever the box cost, minus the BRB and halved is, then I will NOT be buying any. I'd rather have had the box as promised by GW in black and white, but if they won't issue an additional run then so be it.

**Kanluwen**

And now you know precisely why they do these things as limited runs rather than permanent stock items. Now you know why they started monkeying around with the prices of Start Collecting sets.

**ccs**

Isengard wrote:
ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Given Covid I understand people not going down to their FLGS (if they are even currently open) to stand around with a load of other people but the bigger independent stockists had dual problems in that their allocations were smaller than expected and their websites ground to a halt due to traffic around 10am. This was the case with Element, Firestorm and plenty of others. The allocations were so low that many did not offer their 10 to 20% discount on the box. What shocked me most was the anger from a lot of people accusing the stores of profiteering by not offering a discount like they are entitled to it.

Do you know what royally pissed me off about this was the underhanded way it was done. No announcement that "sorry but we can't discount this". I'd be fine with that. I would go to someone who would and/or GW for security of supply. To not mention this and then to wait a few precious minutes before dropping the bombshell, leaving your customers with a straight choice of miss out or suck it up. That was what enraged me so much. Don't discount, fine. Always, always discount and don't even hint that you might not, let me draw up my budget and have an amount I know I can spend, that is in line with the discount you have applied EVERY damned time, then you are taking the proverbial. Running a business who's banner on the website states a certain discount of GW then picking and choosing when you apply that with no pre-warning is sharp practice at best. If the allocation is so low then what difference is a few £hundred going to make compared to misleading and cheating your customers? If I withdraw my business now they will lose a lot of money, over a long period of time for the sake of a few hundred quid? "Entitled"? Well if you clearly state a discount on your banner, literally the first thing on it then your customer is damned well entitled to you honouring that, or stating clearly that you won't. How can I trust them in future now. Every limited release they might decide "sod it we'll not discount that". I don't have money to throw away and GW is my major, major leisure spend so 20% off that is a massive part of my hobby allowances. I use the FLGS because they discount, if they don't do it, no sale, GW here we come. It's a business, they offer me a service and I accept their terms. If they start unilaterally choosing when to apply their own stated terms and that throws out my budgeting and ruins whatever plans I've got then hell yes I am entitled to be p***ed off. I am a customer, not some money pit that they can decide when to mine deeper. If GW do these limited editions and I want one, they sell out instantly. If I can't guarantee the discount I am told is on offer and only find out when the pre-order goes up that leaves me in a major problem. I won't have time to switch to another website, so I am likely to not go with them at all, because chances are when I try to switch it's too late. Foo me once and all that. So yes, if you advertise a discount your customers are quite literally entitled to it, because if you then magically decide not to apply it without warning on a product that they either accept the hit or miss out, then that is a disgraceful and cowardly ambush and it is lying and cheating. It is the store deciding that they can shaft their customers by forcing them to pay extra or miss out, it is like if I go down to Sony to pick up a new PS5 at Christmas and they advertise it at £500 on their website, then when I get to the front of the queue "sorry it's actually £750 now" and you know if you walk away it is months to wait, then you are being cheated. Same difference here. It might only be £25 but it all adds up and it might be that on every limited box from now on. If you warn me in advance then I can accept that, fair play, I go elsewhere. If you decide to reveal it on the day with a "take it or leave it" well then you are trying to scalp me plain and simple.

LOL.

**Frag The Commissar**

I cant believe this thread is still going.

At this point I dont think we could hear any more arguments on either side and everyone should finally begin moving on.

Its human nature to want to rant or argue against someones rant, but this is getting repetitive.

For everyone who missed out.. be prepared next time and try to learn from this experience. If you want a limited release, make sure youre hooked up with a reliable internet connection and set your alarms for release time. Order through GW and not a 3rd party.

Its simple. Follow those steps and you'll get it next time.

**Overread**

We likely won't see people moving on for 2 weeks - this is the downtime when we are locked waiting for new toys to arrive; new books to be opened and for fresh news from GW. Considering today we have a refresh of the Necron story and no pre-orders we've likely got a slow week ahead.
That said next week Sunday will be interesting to see. GW will be dropping the new boxed set the week after which would mean the ideal pre-orders would be things like Necron and Marine codex releases to go with the slew of new models. They've also not been shy in showing off new models in addition to those in the boxed set for both races.

Of course we've also got two new armies for AoS to come out in a full way so that might also appear.

Exciting times are afoot but this next week to two weeks are going to be very slow moving.

**Pandabeer**

Voss wrote:
Rolsheen wrote:
Indomitus was a limited release sale box, so yeah people had to be fast to get one. GW didn't lie about any of that, they just underpriced it.

No. Stop. GW doesn't 'underprice' anything. Indomitus was reasonable for what was in it. Don't tell them it was underpriced.

The second "wave" in August is the actual starter box being released not a reprint of Indomitus.

What's this based on? There's been nothing about a starter set.
Anyone trying to sell a different box as Indomitus would be selling under false pretences.

All the models in Indomitus will be released at a later date individually so nobody has actually missed out, their just going to have to wait.

Maybe, maybe not.
There is a list of models that were never 'released at a later date' after appearing in a box.
It goes at least as far back as plastic deffkoptas

It was hella cheap compared to what you'd have to pay for all this sold separately. Rulebook worth €50 and at least €200 worth of models.

**H.B.M.C.**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
3. Are just spouting faux outrage for reasons best known to yourself where 1 and 2 don’t apply?

Again you keep acting like the people angry about missing out are faking their anger. What gives?

**Pandabeer**

Frag The Commissar wrote:
I cant believe this thread is still going.

At this point I dont think we could hear any more arguments on either side and everyone should finally begin moving on.

Its human nature to want to rant or argue against someones rant, but this is getting repetitive.

For everyone who missed out.. be prepared next time and try to learn from this experience. If you want a limited release, make sure youre hooked up with a reliable internet connection and set your alarms for release time. Order through GW and not a 3rd party.

Its simple. Follow those steps and you'll get it next time.

I didn't even know at which time it went up

But eh, gak happens. I'd love to have gotten the box but I'll live. It being sold out in 15 mins feels a bit shady but with the Corona shutdown there's no way of knowing whether GW is to blame for anything. Now it's just waiting until the Bladeguard Veterans and Outriders get a separate release because those are the models I absolutely want and need for my army. And that sexy Biker Chaplain of course but he's not included in Indomitus anyway.